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in article , Barry & Iris McCanna at
wrote on 23/12/02 1:17 pm:

I've just opened my first "Christmas Present" - the Chiltern Seed
catalogue
arrived this morning.

As they say in the catalogue "grow something new from seed",

What will you be growing new next year?

Yes mine arrived too. As to new seeds, apart all my choices to the
RHS, HPS and AGS, I'm going to try growing Romneya Coulterii from seed
for the first time. Although this is known to be difficult to
germinate, I found on Google that it likes germinating in smoke and
gives a tip to burn conifer leaves and then mix the ash with seed
compost. Apparently it will then germinate. We shall see!

As you describe, Ray gathers pine needles and puts them in an old tin lid,
or something of that sort. Then he sets fire to it, then he plants the
seeds! He also plants the seeds in a foil lined compost tray, puts pine
needles on top, sets fire to them and waters the ashes in. Both methods
work and both are equally hit and miss! It's really not easy to germinate at
all.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk

I'm tempted to try too. Is it just the ash that does it or is actual
heat necessary? I wasn' t sure with Sacha's first method whether the
ashes are added later when cool or whether the seeds are heated by the
process.
Also, Sacha, you say it's not easy to germinate them. Has Ray had *some*
success? How hopeless is it? (The seed isn't cheap!)

Janet G

"Janet Galpin and Oliver Patterson" wrote in
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As you describe, Ray gathers pine needles and puts them in an old
tin lid,
or something of that sort. Then he sets fire to it, then he plants
the
seeds! He also plants the seeds in a foil lined compost tray,
puts pine
needles on top, sets fire to them and waters the ashes in. Both
methods
work and both are equally hit and miss! It's really not easy to
germinate at
all.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk

I'm tempted to try too. Is it just the ash that does it or is actual
heat necessary? I wasn' t sure with Sacha's first method whether the
ashes are added later when cool or whether the seeds are heated by
the
process.
Also, Sacha, you say it's not easy to germinate them. Has Ray had
*some*
success? How hopeless is it? (The seed isn't cheap!)

Janet G


Janet,

My Chiltern packet was only just over £2.00 which wasn't bad
considering that to buy a plant is megabucks - £9.00 I was quoted. I
thought it worth a try and am going to try both ways, one cold and one
warm. The link I found on Google said they germinate in fire. I
plan to burn the pine needles and then mix the ash with the compost
which was one recommendation and then follow Ray's methods as well.
I'll let you know if I'm successful. If so, then you would be welcome
to have a seedling or two. Optimistic aren't I :-))

Best wishes
Iris

in article , Janet Galpin and Oliver
Patterson at wrote on 23/12/02 11:03 pm:

The message
from sacha contains these words:

in article , Barry & Iris McCanna at
wrote on 23/12/02 1:17 pm:

I've just opened my first "Christmas Present" - the Chiltern Seed
catalogue
arrived this morning.

As they say in the catalogue "grow something new from seed",

What will you be growing new next year?

Yes mine arrived too. As to new seeds, apart all my choices to the
RHS, HPS and AGS, I'm going to try growing Romneya Coulterii from seed
for the first time. Although this is known to be difficult to
germinate, I found on Google that it likes germinating in smoke and
gives a tip to burn conifer leaves and then mix the ash with seed
compost. Apparently it will then germinate. We shall see!

As you describe, Ray gathers pine needles and puts them in an old tin lid,
or something of that sort. Then he sets fire to it, then he plants the
seeds! He also plants the seeds in a foil lined compost tray, puts pine
needles on top, sets fire to them and waters the ashes in. Both methods
work and both are equally hit and miss! It's really not easy to germinate at
all.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk

I'm tempted to try too. Is it just the ash that does it or is actual
heat necessary? I wasn' t sure with Sacha's first method whether the
ashes are added later when cool or whether the seeds are heated by the
process.
Also, Sacha, you say it's not easy to germinate them. Has Ray had *some*
success? How hopeless is it? (The seed isn't cheap!)

Janet G

Sorry, I didn't make myself clear. In the first method, he puts the seeds on
the tray and puts the layer (quite thickly) of pine needles on top. They
have to be very dry, of course, so that they burn off very quickly. The heat
is thought to be necessary to encourage germination and the watering in of
the ash in the second method seems to add something to the compost that the
seeds like. Yes, he does have some success but he does repeat that it's not
easy. OTOH, at least *some* of his germinate, unlike my blasted Michauxia
which never showed even one teensy green shoot!
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk

in article , Barry & Iris McCanna at
wrote on 24/12/02 9:57 am:


"Janet Galpin and Oliver Patterson" wrote in
message ...

As you describe, Ray gathers pine needles and puts them in an old
tin lid,
or something of that sort. Then he sets fire to it, then he plants
the
seeds! He also plants the seeds in a foil lined compost tray,
puts pine
needles on top, sets fire to them and waters the ashes in. Both
methods
work and both are equally hit and miss! It's really not easy to
germinate at
all.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk

I'm tempted to try too. Is it just the ash that does it or is actual
heat necessary? I wasn' t sure with Sacha's first method whether the
ashes are added later when cool or whether the seeds are heated by
the
process.
Also, Sacha, you say it's not easy to germinate them. Has Ray had
*some*
success? How hopeless is it? (The seed isn't cheap!)

Janet G


Janet,

My Chiltern packet was only just over £2.00 which wasn't bad
considering that to buy a plant is megabucks - £9.00 I was quoted. I
thought it worth a try and am going to try both ways, one cold and one
warm. The link I found on Google said they germinate in fire. I
plan to burn the pine needles and then mix the ash with the compost
which was one recommendation and then follow Ray's methods as well.
I'll let you know if I'm successful. If so, then you would be welcome
to have a seedling or two. Optimistic aren't I :-))

I bet you have success, Iris! Especially considering you managed to corner
the Paulownia market. ;-))
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk

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from "Barry & Iris McCanna" contains these words:


"Janet Galpin and Oliver Patterson" wrote in
message ...

As you describe, Ray gathers pine needles and puts them in an old
tin lid,
or something of that sort. Then he sets fire to it, then he plants
the
seeds! He also plants the seeds in a foil lined compost tray,
puts pine
needles on top, sets fire to them and waters the ashes in. Both
methods
work and both are equally hit and miss! It's really not easy to
germinate at
all.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk

I'm tempted to try too. Is it just the ash that does it or is actual
heat necessary? I wasn' t sure with Sacha's first method whether the
ashes are added later when cool or whether the seeds are heated by
the
process.
Also, Sacha, you say it's not easy to germinate them. Has Ray had
*some*
success? How hopeless is it? (The seed isn't cheap!)

Janet G


Janet,

My Chiltern packet was only just over £2.00 which wasn't bad
considering that to buy a plant is megabucks - £9.00 I was quoted. I
thought it worth a try and am going to try both ways, one cold and one
warm. The link I found on Google said they germinate in fire. I
plan to burn the pine needles and then mix the ash with the compost
which was one recommendation and then follow Ray's methods as well.
I'll let you know if I'm successful. If so, then you would be welcome
to have a seedling or two. Optimistic aren't I :-))

Best wishes
Iris

You're right, Iris, it's not much (£2.82 now). I just wanted a little
encouragement!

Thanks for your kind (and optimistic) offer. I'm still tempted to have a
go myself. If I do, we'll compare notes. Did you get the impression
that, if the firing worked, germination followed reasonably quickly? Are
you going to try now or wait unitil spring?

Janet G

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from sacha contains these words:

in article , Janet Galpin and Oliver
Patterson at wrote on 23/12/02 11:03 pm:


Yes mine arrived too. As to new seeds, apart all my choices to the
RHS, HPS and AGS, I'm going to try growing Romneya Coulterii from seed
for the first time. Although this is known to be difficult to
germinate, I found on Google that it likes germinating in smoke and
gives a tip to burn conifer leaves and then mix the ash with seed
compost. Apparently it will then germinate. We shall see!

As you describe, Ray gathers pine needles and puts them in an old
tin lid,
or something of that sort. Then he sets fire to it, then he plants the
seeds! He also plants the seeds in a foil lined compost tray, puts pine
needles on top, sets fire to them and waters the ashes in. Both methods
work and both are equally hit and miss! It's really not easy to
germinate at
all.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk

I'm tempted to try too. Is it just the ash that does it or is actual
heat necessary? I wasn' t sure with Sacha's first method whether the
ashes are added later when cool or whether the seeds are heated by the
process.
Also, Sacha, you say it's not easy to germinate them. Has Ray had *some*
success? How hopeless is it? (The seed isn't cheap!)

Janet G

Sorry, I didn't make myself clear. In the first method, he puts the seeds on
the tray and puts the layer (quite thickly) of pine needles on top. They
have to be very dry, of course, so that they burn off very quickly. The heat
is thought to be necessary to encourage germination and the watering in of
the ash in the second method seems to add something to the compost that the
seeds like. Yes, he does have some success but he does repeat that it's not
easy. OTOH, at least *some* of his germinate, unlike my blasted Michauxia
which never showed even one teensy green shoot!
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk

Thanks for the explanation. I think I get the idea! Sounds worth a go.

Janet G