I thought yellow pages would be expensive too, but no! For a one line
ad it is free and the same with white pages too. For any more space
they charge an arm and a leg. The free ad is just
Name-Address-Phonenumber so I mutated my business name into "Anna
Kettle Parget and Lime"


:-(( Forgot about the free line, but that is only for Business Lines if I
recall correctly. I would very strongly recommend that he uses the phone
from home on the home line only to start with. Would BT give 'so' much extra
for a Business Line?

Mike

"Anna Kettle" wrote in message
...
advertising in the
press, Yellow Pages (Very expensive and a waste of time for what he wants
to
do)

I thought yellow pages would be expensive too, but no! For a one line
ad it is free and the same with white pages too. For any more space
they charge an arm and a leg. The free ad is just
Name-Address-Phonenumber so I mutated my business name into "Anna
Kettle Parget and Lime"


Knowing what pargetting is when it's at home, I would assume this to be some
sort of a legal firm :-)
Thank you for adding a word to my vocabulary today!

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...


"Anna Kettle" wrote in message
...
advertising in the
press, Yellow Pages (Very expensive and a waste of time for what he
wants
to
do)

I thought yellow pages would be expensive too, but no! For a one line
ad it is free and the same with white pages too. For any more space
they charge an arm and a leg. The free ad is just
Name-Address-Phonenumber so I mutated my business name into "Anna
Kettle Parget and Lime"


Knowing what pargetting is when it's at home, I would
^^^^^^^^^^
(snip)

Of course, this should read "not knowing"...

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"Martin" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:19:16 +0100, "Tracey"
wrote:
snip

My fiance has worked hard all his life (twenty years or so out there in
the
workforce) and is sick and tired of working his butt off with little
appreciation from the fat cat boss and for little pay. The job he's
doing
at the moment has him tending to around 260 gardens - he is paid little
over the minimum wage and my fiance and his work-mate did the maths and
worked out they are getting paid around £1.20 per garden!

Hardly fair on his employers and very difficult to work out, not
anyone can be self employed. Just running a business is hard. If you
worked for MS, would you complain that Bill Gates is earning millions?

I know what you are saying, but it doesn't hurt anybody to show a little
appreciation, some positive feedback from the boss, when a job has been well
done, goes a long way. Just a simple, "Good job done today lads!" would be
good enough. That's what's been galling my fiance the most with his last
two bosses - they have shown no appreciation whatsoever. Many customers
have been so pleased with my fiance's work they have phoned the office to
say so, but even so, there was not a mention of it from the boss, he only
found out as the secretary mentioned it. I've always had bosses who thank
you when you've worked particularly hard and tell you how much your effort
is appreciated - it's good to hear, makes the extra hard work worth while
and gives encouragement for next time you have to pull out all the stops.

I truly believe he can make this work, we realise there is a risk
involved
when setting up on your own, but I think sometimes in life it's worth
taking
a risk! He's a damned hard worker, is organised, thorough and never has
days off sick, so I'm sure if anyone can make it work he can. Fingers
crossed anyway!!!

Thanks again for your advice, it's much appreciated!

Tracey


Few things to bear in mind. It will take a good few years to become
established and earn a good annual income. Gardening is very seasonal
and suffers greatly from too much in the summer and too little in the
winter. The bread and butter is from maintenance work, week in and
week out. Contact the local estate agents, they have lots of
maintainable needs, also the local business premises with
gardens/grass etc

Sort the bread and butter out first and he WILL need to be very
organized & up for a challenge.

Good luck.

Thanks!

Tracey














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"Mike" wrote in message
...

If there is something which comes to mind and is not covered by the
examples
and advice I shoved out, come back to me and I will see what I can do.

He has made a very good start in talking to people and telling them what
he
wants to do. If he, and you ;-) carry on doing this, then advertising in
the
press, Yellow Pages (Very expensive and a waste of time for what he wants
to
do), local radio etc will not be needed. (Local Radio adverts are a waste
of
time too, but I can explain why later)

I have designed him some business
cards on the computer and will do some leaflets for him too, so we are
keeping costs to a minimum.

There is no need, in what he wants to do, to spend any money on printing
as
you have a computer. I do have Business Cards, BUT, that is because the
company I arrange the reunions with 'is' a big business and where I am
'representing them' as opposed to it being my business, then the
'Corporate
Image' follows through. For you, a computer leaflet will do. (And here is
another tip, when he has a customer, when he finishes for the
day/job/whatever it is, ask them if they are happy with his work and if
yes,
hand them half a dozen leaflets for friends and neighbours. Better to have
2
customers alongside each other, than 1 here and the other over the other
side of town. Isle of Wight in my case:-))


He is going to use the Chamber of Commerce and
a local business club.

Good. If he gets the chance and is invited to do so, tell him to join the
committee of any business club or Chamber of Commerce. THAT alone
generates
work!! and gets him well known :-))


My fiance has worked hard all his life (twenty years or so out there in
the
workforce) and is sick and tired of working his butt off with little
appreciation from the fat cat boss and for little pay. The job he's
doing
at the moment has him tending to around 260 gardens - he is paid little
over the minimum wage and my fiance and his work-mate did the maths and
worked out they are getting paid around £1.20 per garden!

Something you and he must take into consideration, is travelling time. If
he
leaves home at 8.00, gets to his first job at 8.20. Does 3 hours work and
then has another distance to travel between the next couple of jobs, then
his working time @ £X /hour, when spread over the working, or 'out of
home'
hours, can be 1/3£X/hour, which if not careful, can be less than he is on
now. Travelling time is a killer and MUST be taken into consideration.
"£40.00 and you have only been here an hour???!!"


I truly believe he can make this work, we realise there is a risk
involved
when setting up on your own, but I think sometimes in life it's worth
taking
a risk! He's a damned hard worker, is organised, thorough and never has
days off sick, so I'm sure if anyone can make it work he can. Fingers
crossed anyway!!!

A chap I worked for said to me 'Mike, when a customer shouts 'JUMP', I
jump,
and on the way up I ask 'How High Sir?' Basically the Customer is King and
is very important to you. The customer can be an absolute barstard, but
you
mustn't show it has got to you ;-))

Getting money in, and on time is an important factor. Easy when you know
how
;-) I was lucky in that one of the Business Clubs I belonged to had a
super
system :-))


Thanks again for your advice, it's much appreciated!

Been there and I know the thrill :-))

Good luck. (That comes into it a lot and I can help you be in the right
place in the right time :-))


Tracey

Keep us informed

Mike


Again, thank you, Mike!

Tracey

"Victoria Clare" wrote in message
. 201.150...
"Tracey" wrote in news:2pjfmsFloj71U1@uni-
berlin.de:

He is going to use the Chamber of Commerce and
a local business club.


Chambers of commerce vary, but I've found them fairly universally useless,
and membership can be surprisingly expensive. For that kind of business,
I'd be inclined to spend the money on Yellow Pages instead.

It's probably not worth paying for a professional website, but I think it
is worth spending an evening assembling a simple one and hosting it free
with your ISP, if you have the skills to do that.

If you don't, try http://www.blogger.com/start,where you can build a free
site by basically filling in some forms.

Either way, remember to state clearly what the business does (gardening,
garden maintenance, lawn mowing...) , where it is based, and try to
mention
the names of local towns and villages too, so search engines can find you.

It won't make your fortune, but you should get the odd enquiry that way,
and people who have mislaid the card or leaflet will still be able to get
hold of him.

Victoria
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I thought about doing a website for him - I took a website design course
last year and have built my own, so it wouldn't be a problem for me to do.

Thanks for your input!

Tracey

Thank you everybody for all your advice, both my fiance and I very much
appreciate it.

I'll let you know how things are going in a few months, after he has set up.

Tracey

I know what you are saying, but it doesn't hurt anybody to show a little
appreciation, some positive feedback from the boss, when a job has been
well
done, goes a long way. Just a simple, "Good job done today lads!" would
be
good enough. That's what's been galling my fiance the most with his last
two bosses - they have shown no appreciation whatsoever.


Tracey, I had 2 factories with a staff of 23. My office was in one of them
and whenever someone clocked out/went home, I thanked them. This started
when I was in charge of a department in industry before setting up on my
own. Under NO circumstances, could "I" as an indevidual turn out the work
'by myself'. I needed staff, I recognised the fact and thanked them.
However, some people feel that it is below their dignity to say 'Thank you'
to a subordinate. (and that starts another thing!!)

However, 'IF' and 'WHEN' he does take on staff, (think twice in this day and
age) I hope he will say thank you to them :-))

Mike

"Mike" wrote in message
...

I know what you are saying, but it doesn't hurt anybody to show a little
appreciation, some positive feedback from the boss, when a job has been
well
done, goes a long way. Just a simple, "Good job done today lads!" would
be
good enough. That's what's been galling my fiance the most with his
last
two bosses - they have shown no appreciation whatsoever.


Tracey, I had 2 factories with a staff of 23. My office was in one of them
and whenever someone clocked out/went home, I thanked them. This started
when I was in charge of a department in industry before setting up on my
own. Under NO circumstances, could "I" as an indevidual turn out the work
'by myself'. I needed staff, I recognised the fact and thanked them.
However, some people feel that it is below their dignity to say 'Thank
you'
to a subordinate. (and that starts another thing!!)

However, 'IF' and 'WHEN' he does take on staff, (think twice in this day
and
age) I hope he will say thank you to them :-))


Sir John Harvey-Jones used to say that saying 'thank you' was in his
experience probably the single most effective means of motivating staff -
provided their performance actually merited praise, of course.

Sir John Harvey-Jones used to say that saying 'thank you' was in his
experience probably the single most effective means of motivating staff -
provided their performance actually merited praise, of course.


Tooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo true. (To both elements of the above posting)

"Tracey" wrote in news:2pm8f8FmmkevU1@uni-
berlin.de:

There is no need, in what he wants to do, to spend any money on printing
as
you have a computer. I do have Business Cards, BUT, that is because the
company I arrange the reunions with 'is' a big business and where I am
'representing them' as opposed to it being my business, then the
'Corporate
Image' follows through. For you, a computer leaflet will do.

Only from a laser printer. Inkjet printed business cards/ leaflets
quickly fade, run when wet, and generally become indecipherable.

Yesterday I decided to get a carpet shampooed and got down a relevant small
business flier from my noticeboard, to find I could no longer read the
phone number. And it was only a few months old: sun on the noticeboard had
done for it.

I'm guessing a card belonging to a gardener might sometimes need a certain
damp-resistance too: even sweaty fingers will smudge an inkjet print.


Victoria

"Cat" wrote
Name-Address-Phonenumber so I mutated my business name into "Anna
Kettle Parget and Lime"


Knowing what pargetting is when it's at home, I would
^^^^^^^^^^
(snip)

Of course, this should read "not knowing"...

Bet you do now...
http://www.beenthere-donethat.org.uk...hall02big.html

:-(( Forgot about the free line, but that is only for Business Lines if I
recall correctly. I would very strongly recommend that he uses the phone
from home on the home line only to start with. Would BT give 'so' much extra
for a Business Line?

Mine is a home line and they accepted that

Anna
~~ Anna Kettle, Suffolk, England
|""""| ~ Lime plaster repairs
/ ^^ \ // Freehand modelling in lime: overmantels, pargeting etc
|____| www.kettlenet.co.uk 01359 230642

Knowing what pargetting is when it's at home, I would
^^^^^^^^^^
(snip)

Of course, this should read "not knowing"...

Glad to be able to edificate you ;-) and your explanation too cos I
had visions of an obscure legal property term wot I'd not come across.


Anna
~~ Anna Kettle, Suffolk, England
|""""| ~ Lime plaster repairs
/ ^^ \ // Freehand modelling in lime: overmantels, pargeting etc
|____| www.kettlenet.co.uk 01359 230642

"Victoria Clare" wrote in message
.218...
"Tracey" wrote in news:2pm8f8FmmkevU1@uni-
berlin.de:

There is no need, in what he wants to do, to spend any money on
printing
as
you have a computer. I do have Business Cards, BUT, that is because the
company I arrange the reunions with 'is' a big business and where I am
'representing them' as opposed to it being my business, then the
'Corporate
Image' follows through. For you, a computer leaflet will do.

Only from a laser printer. Inkjet printed business cards/ leaflets
quickly fade, run when wet, and generally become indecipherable.

Yesterday I decided to get a carpet shampooed and got down a relevant
small
business flier from my noticeboard, to find I could no longer read the
phone number. And it was only a few months old: sun on the noticeboard
had
done for it.

I'm guessing a card belonging to a gardener might sometimes need a certain
damp-resistance too: even sweaty fingers will smudge an inkjet print.


Susceptibility to damp is relatively easily fixed by laminating the cards,
which also makes them much more durable.