I can't see what gave you that idea.

Mike.

I'm WRONG??????????????
Me?

On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 22:10:23 GMT, "mrcheerful"
wrote:


"Gwenhyffar Milgi" wrote in message
news
On 30 Apr 2004 12:05:03 -0700, (Mike Lyle)
wrote:


(I've found that goats are a bit chewy. And before that, they chew
things.)

Do they chew brambles and nettles?

Yes, they are fantastic at clearing overgrown areas. They are a lovely
pet, but you need to be around as they can get themselves in to trouble if
tethered, or will escape if loose. Climbing ability of my goats was
astonishing, able to balance on something about two inches across. Also
loved climbing onto and wrecking car bodywork, also eat washing and contents
of ashtrays.


Hmmm, that might just be what we need. We have an area of land,
bordered by 10 ft stone walls, that desperately needs clearing out. It
has brambles, nettles and all sorts there and it's a jungle.

Any idea what kind of goat might be the best for this? We've got foxes
and badgers, I don't know if they would be a threat to them?


"My candle burns at both ends; it will not last the night
but ah my foes and oh my friends -- it gives a lovely light"

Gwenhyffar Milgi wrote:
Any idea what kind of goat might be the best for this? We've got foxes
and badgers, I don't know if they would be a threat to them?

I've never *seen* a goat eat a fox, but I wouldn't be very surprised if one
did.

Building permission seems to depend on one's occupation. Planning officers
can get permission for themselves with ease and for the most unlikely of
situations.
I was once granted conditional outline planning permission. It soon
transpired that the 'condition' was that I sold the land to one of their
officers! When I refused the permission was withdrawn without compensation
because the permission "Was only conditional"~~I got nowhere!!
Best Wishes.
"Kay Easton" wrote in message
...
In article , mich
writes


I think if it already has a building on it and piped water and leccy to
it
( no matter what condition) essentially the right to planning permission
exists for a dwelling! Hence he asked for land and building.

No, not if it was some sort of agricultural building or workshop.

--
Kay Easton

Edward's earthworm page:
http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm

"Tumbleweed" wrote in message
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"mich" wrote in message
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"mrcheerful" wrote in message
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So just to get this right, you want to buy a field, that may
have no
planning permission for a dwelling and no prospect of it?

I think if it already has a building on it and piped water and leccy
to
it
( no matter what condition) essentially the right to planning
permission
exists for a dwelling! Hence he asked for land and building.


Of course it doesnt. For a start he said a building, which isnt the same
as
a dwelling. There have been many court cases on this, for example I
recall
reading about a farmer who had to demolish some 'pig sties' that bore a
remarkable resemblance to a detached bungalow.

If this is the same case I know of then the reason the woman had to
demolish her "pig sty" style bungalow was because she had not applied for
planning permission before coverting it. In fact she had not applied for ANY
planning permission at all ( including the pig sty) if I recall ( and I
should the person doesnt live a stones throw away!).

She miffed the planners by not making an application first. She further
miffed them by not complying with instructions to take it down and apply for
planning permission and then really pee'd them off by asking for
retrospective permission if I recall the situation.

Maybe not where you live, but looking at current planning permissions
being given where I am , he would have a considerably increased chance of
getting planning permission to convert an old disused building of any
description including a shed ( or even knock it down and build again), than
he would of getting planning permission for building on land with nothing on
it

It depends on your planners and you area I suspect.
So blanket dismissals of other peoples views as rubbish or b****** or even
citing cases such as the one you do is not really accurate is it? Its not
polite either.



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On Sat, 1 May 2004 18:29:04 +0100, "Brian"
wrote:

Building permission seems to depend on one's occupation. Planning officers
can get permission for themselves with ease and for the most unlikely of
situations.
I was once granted conditional outline planning permission. It soon
transpired that the 'condition' was that I sold the land to one of their
officers! When I refused the permission was withdrawn without compensation
because the permission "Was only conditional"~~I got nowhere!!

Isn't this straight forward corruption? did you report him/her?

I have noticed some very odd planning decisions reported in the Whitby
Gazette.

In NL, because of the housing shortage, dwellings originally
designated as holiday only dwellings, to be used for a limited number
of months a year, have been redesignated as normal housing. I can
foresee the same happening in UK.

"Mike" wrote in message ...

I can't see what gave you that idea.

Mike.

I'm WRONG??????????????
Me?

Don't let it get your g**t.

Mike.

"Gwenhyffar Milgi" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 22:10:23 GMT, "mrcheerful"
wrote:


"Gwenhyffar Milgi" wrote in message
news
On 30 Apr 2004 12:05:03 -0700, (Mike Lyle)
wrote:


(I've found that goats are a bit chewy. And before that, they chew
things.)

Do they chew brambles and nettles?

Yes, they are fantastic at clearing overgrown areas. They are a lovely
pet, but you need to be around as they can get themselves in to trouble
if
tethered, or will escape if loose. Climbing ability of my goats was
astonishing, able to balance on something about two inches across. Also
loved climbing onto and wrecking car bodywork, also eat washing and
contents
of ashtrays.


Hmmm, that might just be what we need. We have an area of land,
bordered by 10 ft stone walls, that desperately needs clearing out. It
has brambles, nettles and all sorts there and it's a jungle.

Any idea what kind of goat might be the best for this? We've got foxes
and badgers, I don't know if they would be a threat to them?


I don't think wildlife would be a problem for a full size goat, pygmy types
maybe. My goats were anglo-nubians, all nannies, very pretty and good pets,
plus they give milk, which at the time I had them was easy to sell as baby
milk for babies that couldn't tolerate cows milk, although that may have
changed.

yes a goat would clear your ground very well, might climb the walls though.

mrcheerful

Maybe not where you live, but looking at current planning permissions
being given where I am , he would have a considerably increased chance of
getting planning permission to convert an old disused building of any
description including a shed ( or even knock it down and build again),
than
he would of getting planning permission for building on land with nothing
on
it

It depends on your planners and you area I suspect.
So blanket dismissals of other peoples views as rubbish or b****** or
even
citing cases such as the one you do is not really accurate is it? Its not
polite either.

It is certainly not the case if you look at the current government planning
policy. That policy is national and not local. It comes under the heading of
sustainable development. A full explanation of the planning guidelines is
given here.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?P26135F28

All local planning authorities are bound to follow this guidance. If they
don't they are subject to sanctions by central government unless there are
very good reasons to override the policy.

"Peter Crosland" wrote in message
...

http://makeashorterlink.com/?P26135F28

All local planning authorities are bound to follow this guidance. If
they
don't they are subject to sanctions by central government unless there
are
very good reasons to override the policy.

Yeah spin me another yarn!
I know what I see happening.
I also know being a local councillor gives carte balnche to do exactly as
you please.

I found out half an hour ago that my local friendly local neighbourhood
( or should that just be hood?) farmer /councillor is laying claim to
ownership of a lane he shares access on with myself, my neighbour and three
other farmers.

I know I own the corner ( on my deeds) the rest has no registered owner
and is believed to be a manorial left over. However, this wonderful man is
now trying to lay claim to it, and since he is the councilor he has obtained
all sorts of planning permissiopns to do things without anyone even knowning
( planning orders were not even posted!)
So much for govt policy.

Its not even money that counts , its just position or office - as someone
else said about corrupt planning officers.

Yeah spin me another yarn!
I know what I see happening.
I also know being a local councillor gives carte balnche to do exactly
as
you please.

I found out half an hour ago that my local friendly local neighbourhood
( or should that just be hood?) farmer /councillor is laying claim to
ownership of a lane he shares access on with myself, my neighbour and
three
other farmers.

I know I own the corner ( on my deeds) the rest has no registered owner
and is believed to be a manorial left over. However, this wonderful man
is
now trying to lay claim to it, and since he is the councilor he has
obtained
all sorts of planning permissiopns to do things without anyone even
knowning
( planning orders were not even posted!)
So much for govt policy.

Its not even money that counts , its just position or office - as
someone
else said about corrupt planning officers.



Do you attend your local Council Meetings? The times and venues are posted
in a prominent place within the Parish, Village or Town.

Many thanks Martin. This was followed up and their decision was as follows.
"The planning officer was acting as a member of the public when he made
the offer to purchase. He was also noted to have abstained when there was a
vote to rescind the permission"
Actually the number of votes said to have been involved were four more
than members stated to have been present!! The reason given for rescinding
was stated to be that my architect had not responded to the conditions
within three weeks. Despite that no time limit had been suggested!!.
To compensate the officer concerned, they gave him permission to develop
a most unlikely site.
Best Wishes
"martin" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 1 May 2004 18:29:04 +0100, "Brian"
wrote:

Building permission seems to depend on one's occupation. Planning
officers
can get permission for themselves with ease and for the most unlikely of
situations.
I was once granted conditional outline planning permission. It soon
transpired that the 'condition' was that I sold the land to one of their
officers! When I refused the permission was withdrawn without
compensation
because the permission "Was only conditional"~~I got nowhere!!

Isn't this straight forward corruption? did you report him/her?

I have noticed some very odd planning decisions reported in the Whitby
Gazette.

In NL, because of the housing shortage, dwellings originally
designated as holiday only dwellings, to be used for a limited number
of months a year, have been redesignated as normal housing. I can
foresee the same happening in UK.

On Sat, 1 May 2004 20:26:30 +0100, mich wrote:

I found out half an hour ago that my local friendly local
neighbourhood ( or should that just be hood?) farmer /councillor is
laying claim to ownership of a lane he shares access on with myself,
my neighbour and three other farmers.

Nothing wrong with that, if you can find a bit of land that doesn't
"belong" to anyone and you use it unchallenged for 10 (11?) years then
you can claim it and get the Land Registery to register it to you. We
did that with a back lane many moons ago.

I know I own the corner ( on my deeds) ...

That bit he can't get.

... the rest has no registered owner and is believed to be a
manorial left over.

This bit he can, you should have got in first...

However, this wonderful man is now trying to lay claim to it,

If he hasn't actually got it registered yet get on to the Land
Registery PDQ at the least you'll get joint title or maybe title of
differnt bits with covenments over access/use etc.

... since he is the councilor he has obtained all sorts of planning
permissiopns to do things without anyone even knowning ( planning
orders were not even posted!)

The local paper will be very interested I'm sure...

--
Cheers
Dave. pam is missing e-mail

The message
from (dave manchester) contains these words:

we would want to live on the land and I personally feel that it could
be achievable on our tiny budget its just a matter of stumbling upon
the right place or bumping into the right person. I know its a long
shot but to be honest I don't have many other options at the moment.
maybe we are dreaming, maybe this cant be done, I never expected it to
be easy and would be quite disappointed if it was (I like to try the
impossible).
I will now begin my daily routine of searching the net and looking at
the classifieds.
thanks for taking the time posting your comments please keep the
advice coming

Well, to save you some time..you won't find an acre with a developable
building and services laid on for £20,000 in Scotland. That kind of
property is immensely attractive to second-homers, commercial
developers, and the post-war babybomers who are just reaching retirement
with valuable housing equity to trade. Competition and their deep-pocket
spending power pushes the price sky-high, and all land-sellers know it.

Wherever you focus your search, get a postal sub to the local weekly
paper and mine it for information about local employment availability,
local payrates, the level (and nature) of local crime and social
activities, and what community concerns are aired in the letters page.
You'll also see property advertised privately, and form a realistic
picture of the local market.

In case you don't already know, the cost of essential-spends such as
petrol/public transport, bought food, and council tax are higher in
rural areas than in cities.

Your specification "pre-piped for water and electricity" is rather a
naive one if you don't mind me saying so. Land with no electricity could
be only yards from a powerline, relatively cheap fast and easy to
connect. A good private spring can be far less complicated than being
connected to the far distant end of a rural mains supply. From
experience, more important services to consider are the proximity and
frequency of bus routes, and (for parents)the local council's
age-and-distance policy for rural school transport.

Janet.

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
ll.com...
On Sat, 1 May 2004 20:26:30 +0100, mich wrote:

I found out half an hour ago that my local friendly local
neighbourhood ( or should that just be hood?) farmer /councillor is
laying claim to ownership of a lane he shares access on with myself,
my neighbour and three other farmers.

Nothing wrong with that, if you can find a bit of land that doesn't
"belong" to anyone and you use it unchallenged for 10 (11?) years then
you can claim it and get the Land Registery to register it to you. We
did that with a back lane many moons ago.

I know I own the corner ( on my deeds) ...

That bit he can't get.

I know all about possessory titles. I have a piece of land that was one
twenty odd years ago - which included the corner, hence I can say I own it
and it registered title as absolute now.

I also know that I have "owned" and used this lane since 1987. My
predecessor can trace "ownership" back to 1952 and in fact maps show access
rights beyond that to saxon times.

I have no concerns about my ownership of my bit - just ****ed off that
this bloke has come along telling my neighbour " and by the way I own the
lane" one morning and then telling him what his plans are and what he has
arranged. No word to me though , although it included my part of the lane.

He cant own the lane. he hasnt got it registered in his name , either as a
possessory or as an absolute title. he cannot claim possessory since he has
only owned the fields off the lane for a couple of years.
And he certainly doesnt own my land and my part of the lane.

The rest of the lane, where my neighbour lives and where the other farmers
also have fields has according to the land registry no registered owner. The
rule for such unregistered land is that its title becomes the property of
those who singly and severally use and maintain it, at least thats what the
land registry and my ex neighbour - a soilicitor - always said. My
neighbours have done so for longer than I can remember.

The councillor /farmer only bought his fields in the lane a couple of
years ago. No one believes he owns the lane - but it doesnt stop him trying
it on does it? he's pulling a fast one and using his councillor status to
help him do it by getting planning permissions for doing things to the lane
he shouldnt be doing.

Not only that he took the public footpath notice down last year. A public
footpath runs over the lane too. . I asked Truro to replace the sign last
year , but they havent done so yet.
I wouldnt be surprised if the b*ggers next move is to try and seal off the
access ( except he doesnt own the b**** access I DO ( as I said, on my
deeds!).

What I dont need or want is a row of any kind.

Since time immemorial we have all had access up this lane. Since 1952 my
house and land have been registered as having ownership and access. Now he
comes along claiming to own the bloody lane but it wasnt registered when he
bought the fields two years ago? he does not own the lane. But I can see
him causeing trouble claiming he does.

I notice he has made this claim only to the newest neighbour in the area
( my neighbour only bought last year - and they were told there was no
registered owner and the lane was their maintenance and possessory too!) .
He hasnt told me. I have found out second hand. if he had told me , he would
have found out about my change of deed from 1987 - and that I own the
access!

But ****y councillor will take all and get away with it.

Sorry about the rant - but in case the b*stard is reading this and he
could be......

I dont need his claims . I just want to live and let live , just as my
predecessors and family have done for generations.

So if this sounds like you Mr Councillor/farmer and you are reading this.
STOP IT NOW!!!! I dont need the hassle and I will report your corruptness to
the local paper, I wont bother with the coursts ( cost too much and I know
cant afford it either - how about those 100+ acres you just had to sell to
stay solvent? You put that in the local rag didnt you, when you wanted the
sympathy vote?

Your antics now will look nice wont it Mr. Flash councilor /farmer
Man.