"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message
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In article ,
Mary Fisher wrote:

"paghat" wrote in message
news
In article , "Martin Sykes"
wrote:

dumbass ugly Dutch *******s

Oh come on!

Be careful - Martin Sykes wasn't involved.

I don't know who wrote the phrase I left in.

What I do feel is that what that phrase says is at least as offensive as
what the writer is objecting to.

The Fisher family is the only true English (whatever that means) family in
this street. We're not the only white family but that doesn't seem to matter
to the poster I replied to.

We've lived in this street for over forty years. We have non-English
(whatever that means) members of the family.

I believe that referring to anyone as the poster I replied to did is as
offensive as the poster suggested was referring to Kaffirs, as I understood
the post. The poster laid him/herself wide open by saying that.

That was my point, I should have made it more clearly.

It's a very silly subject for a thread and I shan't contribute to it any
more.

Mary

"There is no racial bigotry here. I do not look down on ******s, kikes,
wops or greasers. Here, you are all equally worthless."
- Gunnery Sergeant Hartman

In article , "Mary
Fisher" wrote:

dumbass ugly Dutch *******s


I don't know who wrote the phrase I left in.

What I do feel is that what that phrase says is at least as offensive as
what the writer is objecting to.

The Fisher family is the only true English (whatever that means) family in
this street. We're not the only white family but that doesn't seem to matter
to the poster I replied to.

It was my phrase used in satiric politicizing, as one kaffir-buggered
slitlicking bulldagger to a bunch of micks krauts guineas & general
peckerwoods, including even the occasional "true English" which is to say,
a gobbertoothed kidneypie-sucking limey *******s. And if I was objecting
to anything it was to people who would ban words, thereby increasing
their power to cause harm. Which you weren't smart enough to follow, thus
you made a few red-herring prattlings that made small sense indeed. But
you were endearingly foolish, therefore I'll repost these "Lyrics of
Pride" for you (to be sung to half a dozen Woody Guthrie tunes):

"Let your voice be heard, even though you're stupid
You can have a word, like any other fool
You've got as big a right
As anyone who's bright
So let your voice be heard."

I believe that referring to anyone as the poster I replied to did is as
offensive as the poster suggested was referring to Kaffirs, as I understood
the post. The poster laid him/herself wide open by saying that.

That was my point, I should have made it more clearly.

And, of course, it should have been apropos of something more than nothing!

-paghat the ratgirl


Mary

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In our village we have some muleatoes

.........................Leslie


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On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 23:17:23 GMT, "Cereus-validus"
wrote:
Maybe the only way to get the message across is by refusing to deal with
those nurseries who perpetuate hateful names of plants and not buying the
garden books that do the same? Its a new millennium and its about time
everyone finally got with the program.
Who's program, yours? Will you sit on the tribunal that passes
judgement on all others? Will you be the one that decides what is
hateful and what isn't? Not it I can help it.

Swyck

SNIP

Well said.

My personal bugbear is the use of 'coloured' as an p.c. alternative to
'black'. Coloured is a blanket term for anyone who isn't white so its
labelling someone by what they're not. If I was black I'd rather be
called black than 'not white'.

Yes, but ask yourself - have you ever actually met someone who is actually
black? The term is a collective approximation for a range of people with
skin colours which can vary from ivory through to very dark brown.

I personally do not like to describe people by a colour. Rightly or wrongly,
I am a bit uncomfortable with it. If I have to make any reference, I
generally try to describe in terms of geographical origin.

At least in the USA (and I thought here), I understood the term "Coloured"
was *not* politically correct...

Regards

Martin

(Pasty faced newbie gardener).


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On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 18:55:44 +0100, "Therefore" wrote:

In our village we have some muleatoes


That anything like cameltoes?
http://www.cameltoe.org/

On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 21:00:29 +0100, Martin wrote:

SNIP

Well said.

My personal bugbear is the use of 'coloured' as an p.c. alternative to
'black'. Coloured is a blanket term for anyone who isn't white so its
labelling someone by what they're not. If I was black I'd rather be
called black than 'not white'.

Yes, but ask yourself - have you ever actually met someone who is actually
black? The term is a collective approximation for a range of people with
skin colours which can vary from ivory through to very dark brown.

Have you ever met anyone who is actually white? Apart from the clown at the
circus?

--
Tim C.

"Tim Challenger" "timothy(dot)challenger(at)apk(dot)at" wrote in message
s.com...
On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 21:00:29 +0100, Martin wrote:

SNIP

Yes, but ask yourself - have you ever actually met someone who is
actually
black? The term is a collective approximation for a range of people with
skin colours which can vary from ivory through to very dark brown.

Have you ever met anyone who is actually white? Apart from the clown at
the
circus?

--
Tim C.

Sometimes colour is the easiest way to indicate who you're talking about. I
don't think it's any worse than tall/short or thin/fat. They're all just
physical characteristics that can be used to describe someone.

Anyway, as an aside, two headlines from newspapers which surprised me at the
time:

'30% of criminals are black' - headline from the Express I think, ignoring
the more obvious point that '70% of criminals aren't black'

'Wanted : Middle-Aged Asian Woman' - Advert in the local paper in High
Wycombe I think, advertising a post at the local centre for equality. Ironic
as it was discriminating by age, race and sex all in one go. :-)

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In article , Martin Sykes
writes
'Wanted : Middle-Aged Asian Woman' - Advert in the local paper in High
Wycombe I think, advertising a post at the local centre for equality. Ironic
as it was discriminating by age, race and sex all in one go. :-)

Ah yes, but didn't you realise, Martin, that "all men are equal . . .
it's just that some are more equal than others"!!!!!!!!!!!!!
--
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I won't respond to private emails that are on topic for urg
but if you need to email me for any other reason, put ransoms
at jandg dot demon dot co dot uk where you see

David Hill8/4/04 10:13

"........ Ah yes, but didn't you realise, Martin, that "all men are equal .
. .
it's just that some are more equal than others"!!!!!!!!!!!!! ........"

Does this also apply to Women?

Of course not. Women are automatically superior - it's our birthright. ;-)
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(remove the weeds to email me)

In article , "Martin"
wrote:

SNIP

Well said.

My personal bugbear is the use of 'coloured' as an p.c. alternative to
'black'. Coloured is a blanket term for anyone who isn't white so its
labelling someone by what they're not. If I was black I'd rather be
called black than 'not white'.

Yes, but ask yourself - have you ever actually met someone who is actually
black? The term is a collective approximation for a range of people with
skin colours which can vary from ivory through to very dark brown.

Also "honky white trash" should be changed to "honky pink trash."

-paghat the ratgirl

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"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/

The message
from "David Hill" contains these
words:

"........ Ah yes, but didn't you realise, Martin, that "all men are equal .
. .
it's just that some are more equal than others"!!!!!!!!!!!!! ........"

Does this also apply to Women?

No. All women are vastly superior.

Janet

Yes but different


"Darren Garrison" wrote in message
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On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 18:55:44 +0100, "Therefore"
wrote:

In our village we have some muleatoes


That anything like cameltoes?
http://www.cameltoe.org/

"........ Ah yes, but didn't you realise, Martin, that "all men are
equal .
. .
it's just that some are more equal than others"!!!!!!!!!!!!! ........"

Does this also apply to Women?

No. All women are vastly superior.

Well, Imelda Marcos certainly had a superior collection of shoes . . . and
that Iraqi woman "Dr Germ" had a superior collection of lethal viruses, too.

Anyone remember the Two Ronnies' "The Worm that Turned"? Nice bit of leather
gear never goes amiss, does it?!?!? ;-)

Andrew

'Wanted : Middle-Aged Asian Woman' - Advert in the local paper in
High Wycombe I think, advertising a post at the local centre for
equality. Ironic as it was discriminating by age, race and sex all in
one go. :-)

Lol - If they'd advertised for a thirty something WASP all hell would have
broken loose!

Martin


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The message
from "David Hill" contains these
words:

You really should keep this in mind when you start insulting people and
calling them names etc as you so often do.
Is it this "momentary feeling of superiority in knowing that they are
insulting someone " that gives you such a kick?

You so often exhibit a great knowledge of plants, and a great use of
reference material in how you answer many questions raised here, then next
minute you're like a 10 year old in the playground who cant get their own
way and who dredges up all the insults and foul words they can think of to
vent their pent up anger.
So why not consider other peoples feelings and practice what you are
preaching, and consider peoples feelings in future.

The OP's been in my killfile for a long time so I don't see his posts.

'Kaffir' is a perfectly proper name for several indiginous tribes of
South Africa (inc the Xhosa) and just because the word is abused by some
as a blanket term of contempt for any black African it doesn't make
'Kaffir' an offensive word per se. It reflects on the misusers, not on
the perceived target, just the same as other abusers of
nationalities/communities/ethnic groups such as Jew, Arab, Bohemian,
French (screwdriver), Dutch (courage) don't make the use of these
nationalities offensive.

It's the intent behind the use of a word which is important, not its
political correctness to well-meaning fools.

If a 'Kaffir lily' were the name for something obnoxious, I would agree
that it was an offensive name. Since it isn't, I can only assume that
the OP is trolling as usual.

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