The message
from "Andy Hunt" contains these words:

[snip]

Not necessarily. To create sandstone, the pressure and temperature
has to be high enough to liquify something to glue the grains
together.

Not necessarily, if the groundwater is saturated with dissolved lime.

Planet creation for beginners. Slartibartfast would have been proud . . . as
long as the fijords get done properly.

For that you should bare and granite....

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The message
from "Andy Hunt" contains these words:

[snip]

Not necessarily. To create sandstone, the pressure and temperature
has to be high enough to liquify something to glue the grains
together.

Not necessarily, if the groundwater is saturated with dissolved lime.

Planet creation for beginners. Slartibartfast would have been proud . . . as
long as the fijords get done properly.

For that you should bare and granite....

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
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In message , Simon Avery
writes
(Nick Maclaren) wrote:

Hello Nick

NM As Cormaic pointed out, builders' sand has not had salt in
NM it for many decades - at least not if bought from an even
NM half-respectable person.

They don't wash it at the quarry, and that's where I get mine from.
I'm a bit hazy about the geology side - I guess sand comes from both
sea and river sources, so if former it would surely have traces of
salt in it?

But I must admit, I've never licked it so can't say.

--
Simon Avery, Dartmoor, UK Ý http://www.digdilem.org/

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++
For what it's worth, - I live near northside Morecambe bay and near my
house and three-quarters of a miles from the beach was a massive
sand-hill and the sand was used for building most of my town for
hundreds, - probably thousands of years. It is now gone, being worked
out.
I would assume that during all those many years the rains would have
filtered the salt down to the water table.
Are their any experts on the thread to give an opinion?.
--
Doug.

In message , martin
writes
On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 12:34:26 +0100, "JennyC" wrote:


But I must admit, I've never licked it so can't say.
Simon Avery, Dartmoor, UK Ý http://www.digdilem.org/

try putting some sand in a container and adding water. Stir. Leave to settle.
Taste water ?

Throw away water, rinse container, add G&T, ice and a sliver of
lime...

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
That is good advice in my opinion. Never put into your mouth anything
that could be doubtful. (Experience speaking!, - of life in the
tropics and deserts, where you drink twelve pints of water a day in the
hot season, or else!, )
I feel sure there is a test for salt in water but I'm darned if I can
remember it.
Doug.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Answer the question: Which did you prefer?

Shaken but not stirred...

On Sat, 3 Jan 2004 11:33:24 +0000, "doug."
wrote:

In message , Simon Avery
writes
(Nick Maclaren) wrote:

Hello Nick

NM As Cormaic pointed out, builders' sand has not had salt in
NM it for many decades - at least not if bought from an even
NM half-respectable person.

They don't wash it at the quarry, and that's where I get mine from.
I'm a bit hazy about the geology side - I guess sand comes from both
sea and river sources, so if former it would surely have traces of
salt in it?

But I must admit, I've never licked it so can't say.

--
Simon Avery, Dartmoor, UK Ý http://www.digdilem.org/

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++
For what it's worth, - I live near northside Morecambe bay and near my
house and three-quarters of a miles from the beach was a massive
sand-hill and the sand was used for building most of my town for
hundreds, - probably thousands of years. It is now gone, being worked
out.
I would assume that during all those many years the rains would have
filtered the salt down to the water table.
Are their any experts on the thread to give an opinion?.

Most of the drinking water in the west of the Netherlands is pumped
from under the coastal sand dunes. It is fresh, not salt water.
--
Martin

"Rusty Hinge" wrote in message
...
The message
from "Andy Hunt" contains these words:

[snip]

Not necessarily. To create sandstone, the pressure and temperature
has to be high enough to liquify something to glue the grains
together.

Not necessarily, if the groundwater is saturated with dissolved lime.

Planet creation for beginners. Slartibartfast would have been proud . .
.. as
long as the fijords get done properly.

For that you should bare and granite....

Lol :-)

You guys really do "rock around the clock"! I can't say I know too much
about it, I'm a bit of a new "strata". But then . . . "igneous" is bliss, in
many ways.

"Oh my Geode," I hear you say. Sorry - no "pumice" intended.

Andrew

"Rusty Hinge" wrote in message
...
The message
from "Andy Hunt" contains these words:

[snip]

Not necessarily. To create sandstone, the pressure and temperature
has to be high enough to liquify something to glue the grains
together.

Not necessarily, if the groundwater is saturated with dissolved lime.

Planet creation for beginners. Slartibartfast would have been proud . .
.. as
long as the fijords get done properly.

For that you should bare and granite....

Lol :-)

You guys really do "rock around the clock"! I can't say I know too much
about it, I'm a bit of a new "strata". But then . . . "igneous" is bliss, in
many ways.

"Oh my Geode," I hear you say. Sorry - no "pumice" intended.

Andrew

In message , Franz Heymann
writes

"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Rusty Hinge wrote:
The message
from (Simon Avery) contains these words:
(Nick Maclaren) wrote:

NM As Cormaic pointed out, builders' sand has not had salt in
NM it for many decades - at least not if bought from an even
NM half-respectable person.

They don't wash it at the quarry, and that's where I get mine from.
I'm a bit hazy about the geology side - I guess sand comes from both
sea and river sources, so if former it would surely have traces of
salt in it?

But I must admit, I've never licked it so can't say.

The tens of thousands of years that's been there, any salt would have
been leached out, whatever the source.

If it was on the surface, yes. But there is a lot of salt underneath
Cheshire, that has not leached in millions of years.

Probably only in places where the geological structure is such as to protect
it from mobile ground water.

I could very
easily believe that many such deposits are mixtures of sand and salt,
and that there are places where salty sand is an accessible mineral
(and not near a current seashore).


Franz
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
For quite some time I used to fetch buckets of medium grit from just
above the tidemarks area of the beach, strew it down my sloping path and
leave a hosepipe running at the top end. Then later I mixed it with
compost and peat and dug it into some borders. Also used it for potting.
No harm to plants was noticed.
However, I once got some sacks full of the old straw bedding used for
deep litter on shed floors for fattening cows, and used that as compost.
After its use it had been stacked five years. The particular border it
was dug into promptly decided to do very poorly for a year or three.
I reached the conclusion that it was the funny feed and hormones and
chemics fed to the static cows which "done the damage".
("Static" == meaning not moving, being herded in sheds).
--
Doug.

In message , martin
writes
On Sat, 3 Jan 2004 11:33:24 +0000, "doug."
wrote:

In message , Simon Avery
writes
(Nick Maclaren) wrote:

Hello Nick

NM As Cormaic pointed out, builders' sand has not had salt in
NM it for many decades - at least not if bought from an even
NM half-respectable person.

They don't wash it at the quarry, and that's where I get mine from.
I'm a bit hazy about the geology side - I guess sand comes from both
sea and river sources, so if former it would surely have traces of
salt in it?

But I must admit, I've never licked it so can't say.

--
Simon Avery, Dartmoor, UK Ý http://www.digdilem.org/

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++
For what it's worth, - I live near northside Morecambe bay and near my
house and three-quarters of a miles from the beach was a massive
sand-hill and the sand was used for building most of my town for
hundreds, - probably thousands of years. It is now gone, being worked
out.
I would assume that during all those many years the rains would have
filtered the salt down to the water table.
Are their any experts on the thread to give an opinion?.

Most of the drinking water in the west of the Netherlands is pumped
from under the coastal sand dunes. It is fresh, not salt water.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Most interesting and informative. Thank you.
--
Doug.

In message , Franz Heymann
writes

"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Rusty Hinge wrote:
The message
from (Simon Avery) contains these words:
(Nick Maclaren) wrote:

NM As Cormaic pointed out, builders' sand has not had salt in
NM it for many decades - at least not if bought from an even
NM half-respectable person.

They don't wash it at the quarry, and that's where I get mine from.
I'm a bit hazy about the geology side - I guess sand comes from both
sea and river sources, so if former it would surely have traces of
salt in it?

But I must admit, I've never licked it so can't say.

The tens of thousands of years that's been there, any salt would have
been leached out, whatever the source.

If it was on the surface, yes. But there is a lot of salt underneath
Cheshire, that has not leached in millions of years.

Probably only in places where the geological structure is such as to protect
it from mobile ground water.

I could very
easily believe that many such deposits are mixtures of sand and salt,
and that there are places where salty sand is an accessible mineral
(and not near a current seashore).


Franz
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
For quite some time I used to fetch buckets of medium grit from just
above the tidemarks area of the beach, strew it down my sloping path and
leave a hosepipe running at the top end. Then later I mixed it with
compost and peat and dug it into some borders. Also used it for potting.
No harm to plants was noticed.
However, I once got some sacks full of the old straw bedding used for
deep litter on shed floors for fattening cows, and used that as compost.
After its use it had been stacked five years. The particular border it
was dug into promptly decided to do very poorly for a year or three.
I reached the conclusion that it was the funny feed and hormones and
chemics fed to the static cows which "done the damage".
("Static" == meaning not moving, being herded in sheds).
--
Doug.

In message , martin
writes
On Sat, 3 Jan 2004 11:33:24 +0000, "doug."
wrote:

In message , Simon Avery
writes
(Nick Maclaren) wrote:

Hello Nick

NM As Cormaic pointed out, builders' sand has not had salt in
NM it for many decades - at least not if bought from an even
NM half-respectable person.

They don't wash it at the quarry, and that's where I get mine from.
I'm a bit hazy about the geology side - I guess sand comes from both
sea and river sources, so if former it would surely have traces of
salt in it?

But I must admit, I've never licked it so can't say.

--
Simon Avery, Dartmoor, UK Ý http://www.digdilem.org/

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++
For what it's worth, - I live near northside Morecambe bay and near my
house and three-quarters of a miles from the beach was a massive
sand-hill and the sand was used for building most of my town for
hundreds, - probably thousands of years. It is now gone, being worked
out.
I would assume that during all those many years the rains would have
filtered the salt down to the water table.
Are their any experts on the thread to give an opinion?.

Most of the drinking water in the west of the Netherlands is pumped
from under the coastal sand dunes. It is fresh, not salt water.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Most interesting and informative. Thank you.
--
Doug.

The message
from "doug." contains these words:

However, I once got some sacks full of the old straw bedding used for
deep litter on shed floors for fattening cows, and used that as compost.
After its use it had been stacked five years. The particular border it
was dug into promptly decided to do very poorly for a year or three.
I reached the conclusion that it was the funny feed and hormones and
chemics fed to the static cows which "done the damage".
("Static" == meaning not moving, being herded in sheds).

If it was just stacked and not composted, it would rob the soil of
nitrogen while it decayed. There's the possibility too, that if it was
some time ago, the feed had contained an antibiotic, and this was
killing the soil bacteria.

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

The message
from "doug." contains these words:

However, I once got some sacks full of the old straw bedding used for
deep litter on shed floors for fattening cows, and used that as compost.
After its use it had been stacked five years. The particular border it
was dug into promptly decided to do very poorly for a year or three.
I reached the conclusion that it was the funny feed and hormones and
chemics fed to the static cows which "done the damage".
("Static" == meaning not moving, being herded in sheds).

If it was just stacked and not composted, it would rob the soil of
nitrogen while it decayed. There's the possibility too, that if it was
some time ago, the feed had contained an antibiotic, and this was
killing the soil bacteria.

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

The message
from "doug." contains these words:

However, I once got some sacks full of the old straw bedding used for
deep litter on shed floors for fattening cows, and used that as compost.
After its use it had been stacked five years. The particular border it
was dug into promptly decided to do very poorly for a year or three.
I reached the conclusion that it was the funny feed and hormones and
chemics fed to the static cows which "done the damage".
("Static" == meaning not moving, being herded in sheds).

If it was just stacked and not composted, it would rob the soil of
nitrogen while it decayed. There's the possibility too, that if it was
some time ago, the feed had contained an antibiotic, and this was
killing the soil bacteria.

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

The message
from "doug." contains these words:

However, I once got some sacks full of the old straw bedding used for
deep litter on shed floors for fattening cows, and used that as compost.
After its use it had been stacked five years. The particular border it
was dug into promptly decided to do very poorly for a year or three.
I reached the conclusion that it was the funny feed and hormones and
chemics fed to the static cows which "done the damage".
("Static" == meaning not moving, being herded in sheds).

If it was just stacked and not composted, it would rob the soil of
nitrogen while it decayed. There's the possibility too, that if it was
some time ago, the feed had contained an antibiotic, and this was
killing the soil bacteria.

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/