Hi

Are there any good books / leaflets with suggestions for a seaside garden.

Garden is flat facing the sea looking southwest. On the 50 foot contour.
Obviously a problem with wind and salt but very mild. No trees within 2
miles.
Ground is soil to 3 foot over limestone.

I have been planting Oleria Haasti as a windbreak and to catch the salt, it
is thriving at 8 foot. Other plants have a chance behind it. Escallonia is
slow growing affected by salt I think. Rosa Rugosa does well.

I am thinking of fruit trees behind the Oleria. Can anyone suggest hardy
varieties.

Also what is the chance of Holm Oak or the Maritime Pine?

All suggestions welcomw.

John

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Are there any good books / leaflets with suggestions for a seaside garden.

Asparagus is (originally) a shoreline plant, sea kale will grow well,
and many other cruciferae are maritime in their habitat. Flowering
plants I'm afraid I couldn't comment on, though sea holly and thrift
should be OK.

Garden is flat facing the sea looking southwest. On the 50 foot contour.
Obviously a problem with wind and salt but very mild. No trees within 2
miles.
Ground is soil to 3 foot over limestone.

I have been planting Oleria Haasti as a windbreak and to catch the salt, it
is thriving at 8 foot. Other plants have a chance behind it. Escallonia is
slow growing affected by salt I think. Rosa Rugosa does well.

I am thinking of fruit trees behind the Oleria. Can anyone suggest hardy
varieties.

Also what is the chance of Holm Oak or the Maritime Pine?

Corsican pine is salt resistant. I don't know about holm oak, and laurel
hates salt.

'Fraid that's all I can come up with ATM.

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J Rogers25/11/03 9:01

Hi

Are there any good books / leaflets with suggestions for a seaside garden.

Garden is flat facing the sea looking southwest. On the 50 foot contour.
Obviously a problem with wind and salt but very mild. No trees within 2
miles.
Ground is soil to 3 foot over limestone.

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Where do you live?

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Hi

Are there any good books / leaflets with suggestions for a seaside garden.


I have links to books and websites on my salinity page at:

http://stores.tiefert.com/garden/biosalinity.html

Hope that's not considered advertising - but it's much faster to just
post the link. :-)

cheers,

Marj

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In Sunset zone 14-mild

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from "J Rogers" contains these words:

Hi

Are there any good books / leaflets with suggestions for a seaside garden.

You're just in time to ask Father Christmas for a recent book called
"Gardening by the Sea" by Barbara Segall. 25 pounds, ISBN 0 7112 1894 3.
An older book is Seaside Gardening by Christine Kelway; out of print but
I got one secondhand from a book dealer on the web for about 6 pounds.

There are also some good websites; try a search on "seaside gardens".

Garden is flat facing the sea looking southwest. On the 50 foot contour.
Obviously a problem with wind and salt but very mild. No trees within 2
miles.
Ground is soil to 3 foot over limestone.

I have been planting Oleria Haasti as a windbreak and to catch the salt, it
is thriving at 8 foot. Other plants have a chance behind it. Escallonia is
slow growing affected by salt I think. Rosa Rugosa does well.

I garden by the sea too, though we only moved here a year ago so I'm
still on a sharp learning curve. Here's a list of plants that do well
here (there are lots more)

Hebes, phormium, senecio, hydrangeas, cordyline, viburnum, alliums,
verbenas, gorse, griselinia, berberis, fatsia, mahonia, rosemary,
buddliea, choisya, corokia virgata, salvias, cotoneasters,fuchsias,
myrtle, ozothamnus, pittosporum, agave, ceanothus, holly,
hawthorn,elders, pampas, argyranthemum, cistus, miscanthus, skimmia; and
there are lots more olearias which all love seaside conditions.

Many of those have either very waxy evergreen foliage, or grey felty
foliage; both stand up well to salt and wind. Try mulching the
escallonia with rotted manure; that helped one that was struggling here.

As for fruit, it's too early to say much. There were two existing
stunted apple trees which fruited, but were rather dismal, I think
because they were in a windy damp spot and the roots didn't appreciate
being rocked. I notice apple trees don't feature in gardens here. The
rhubarb I brought with me has grown like mad,(okay, not a fruit, but I
always think of it that way) and so has a new strawberry bed.
Blueberries are growing well; black and red currants are still in the
pots I transported them in (shame on me) so haven't had chance to do
much.

I'm applying as much seaweed as we can collect, it's an excellent soil
conditioner.

HTH

Janet (Isle of Arran).

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from "J Rogers" contains these words:

Hi

Are there any good books / leaflets with suggestions for a seaside garden.

You're just in time to ask Father Christmas for a recent book called
"Gardening by the Sea" by Barbara Segall. 25 pounds, ISBN 0 7112 1894 3.
An older book is Seaside Gardening by Christine Kelway; out of print but
I got one secondhand from a book dealer on the web for about 6 pounds.

There are also some good websites; try a search on "seaside gardens".

Garden is flat facing the sea looking southwest. On the 50 foot contour.
Obviously a problem with wind and salt but very mild. No trees within 2
miles.
Ground is soil to 3 foot over limestone.

I have been planting Oleria Haasti as a windbreak and to catch the salt, it
is thriving at 8 foot. Other plants have a chance behind it. Escallonia is
slow growing affected by salt I think. Rosa Rugosa does well.

I garden by the sea too, though we only moved here a year ago so I'm
still on a sharp learning curve. Here's a list of plants that do well
here (there are lots more)

Hebes, phormium, senecio, hydrangeas, cordyline, viburnum, alliums,
verbenas, gorse, griselinia, berberis, fatsia, mahonia, rosemary,
buddliea, choisya, corokia virgata, salvias, cotoneasters,fuchsias,
myrtle, ozothamnus, pittosporum, agave, ceanothus, holly,
hawthorn,elders, pampas, argyranthemum, cistus, miscanthus, skimmia; and
there are lots more olearias which all love seaside conditions.

Many of those have either very waxy evergreen foliage, or grey felty
foliage; both stand up well to salt and wind. Try mulching the
escallonia with rotted manure; that helped one that was struggling here.

As for fruit, it's too early to say much. There were two existing
stunted apple trees which fruited, but were rather dismal, I think
because they were in a windy damp spot and the roots didn't appreciate
being rocked. I notice apple trees don't feature in gardens here. The
rhubarb I brought with me has grown like mad,(okay, not a fruit, but I
always think of it that way) and so has a new strawberry bed.
Blueberries are growing well; black and red currants are still in the
pots I transported them in (shame on me) so haven't had chance to do
much.

I'm applying as much seaweed as we can collect, it's an excellent soil
conditioner.

HTH

Janet (Isle of Arran).

The message
from "J Rogers" contains these words:

Hi

Are there any good books / leaflets with suggestions for a seaside garden.

You're just in time to ask Father Christmas for a recent book called
"Gardening by the Sea" by Barbara Segall. 25 pounds, ISBN 0 7112 1894 3.
An older book is Seaside Gardening by Christine Kelway; out of print but
I got one secondhand from a book dealer on the web for about 6 pounds.

There are also some good websites; try a search on "seaside gardens".

Garden is flat facing the sea looking southwest. On the 50 foot contour.
Obviously a problem with wind and salt but very mild. No trees within 2
miles.
Ground is soil to 3 foot over limestone.

I have been planting Oleria Haasti as a windbreak and to catch the salt, it
is thriving at 8 foot. Other plants have a chance behind it. Escallonia is
slow growing affected by salt I think. Rosa Rugosa does well.

I garden by the sea too, though we only moved here a year ago so I'm
still on a sharp learning curve. Here's a list of plants that do well
here (there are lots more)

Hebes, phormium, senecio, hydrangeas, cordyline, viburnum, alliums,
verbenas, gorse, griselinia, berberis, fatsia, mahonia, rosemary,
buddliea, choisya, corokia virgata, salvias, cotoneasters,fuchsias,
myrtle, ozothamnus, pittosporum, agave, ceanothus, holly,
hawthorn,elders, pampas, argyranthemum, cistus, miscanthus, skimmia; and
there are lots more olearias which all love seaside conditions.

Many of those have either very waxy evergreen foliage, or grey felty
foliage; both stand up well to salt and wind. Try mulching the
escallonia with rotted manure; that helped one that was struggling here.

As for fruit, it's too early to say much. There were two existing
stunted apple trees which fruited, but were rather dismal, I think
because they were in a windy damp spot and the roots didn't appreciate
being rocked. I notice apple trees don't feature in gardens here. The
rhubarb I brought with me has grown like mad,(okay, not a fruit, but I
always think of it that way) and so has a new strawberry bed.
Blueberries are growing well; black and red currants are still in the
pots I transported them in (shame on me) so haven't had chance to do
much.

I'm applying as much seaweed as we can collect, it's an excellent soil
conditioner.

HTH

Janet (Isle of Arran).

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Hi

Are there any good books / leaflets with suggestions for a seaside garden.
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John

This is perhaps not quite what you are looking for but there might be some
plants that would suit your situation :
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/davidtrivett...den/Jarman.htm

Jenny

On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 21:01:00 -0000, "J Rogers"
wrote:

Hi

Are there any good books / leaflets with suggestions for a seaside garden.

"Seaside Gardening" by Christine Kelway, Collingridge, 1962, and/or
"Shrubs for the Milder Counties" by W. Arnold-Forster, Country Life,
1948. Both long out of print, but you may be able to get them
second-hand (try the Advanced Book Exchange http://www.abebooks.com ).
If you have the choice, get Kelway's book in preference to the other:
it'll be a lot cheaper and anyway I reckon she cribbed quite a lot
from Arnold-Forster, whom she knew quite well.

Garden is flat facing the sea looking southwest. On the 50 foot contour.
Obviously a problem with wind and salt but very mild. No trees within 2
miles.
Ground is soil to 3 foot over limestone.

The trouble with a situation like that is you either have a superb
view and a windswept garden, or a perimeter of windbreaks and shelter
trees with a restricted view. We are in a similar situation, but at
300ft. Our approach is to have windbreaks in some parts and to grow
wind-tolerant shrubs etc. in the bit that gives us the best view.

I have been planting Oleria Haasti as a windbreak and to catch the salt, it
is thriving at 8 foot. Other plants have a chance behind it. Escallonia is
slow growing affected by salt I think. Rosa Rugosa does well.

Most of the olerias will take salt gales. Oleria Traversii is good as
a windbreak and more attractive than O. Hastii, as it has silver
undersides to the leaves which show when the wind blows (which is most
of the time, where we live!). Many have dull or insignificant flowers,
but O. semi-dentata (aka Henry Travers) has big daisy-like flowers
with lilac petals and a purple centre, and silver-white young shoots.
O. scilloniensis is a solid mass of brilliant white flowers in summer.

Eleagnus Ebbingei (see recent thread) will also take considerable
punishment. Both O. Traversii and E. Ebbingei are fast growing and
really need to be cut back from time to time otherwise they out-grow
their roots and blow over in extreme exposure (as one of mine did).
The variegated varieties of E.Ebbingei don't seem to be used for
hedging or windbreaks as much even though don't grow so quickly. OK as
specimen shrubs though.

Escallonia is often recommended, but I find it won't take the very
worst weather, losing its leaves and looking very unattractive. Rosa
rugosa also drops its leaves in autumn. If you don't mind their
appearance, the bare stems take any amount of punishment. Kelway and
Arnold-Forster have plenty of other suggestions.

I am thinking of fruit trees behind the Oleria. Can anyone suggest hardy
varieties.

I'm not much of a fruit grower. When we took over this garden there
was an orchard of sorts, with plums/damsons, cherries and apple trees,
protected by a row of Leylandii. Only a couple of the apples ever
fruited, not least because the others didn't even get as far as having
blossom! Whether it was because of the exposed location, or just
because that's the way they were, I don't know. All grubbed out now.
Neither of the books above mention fruit at all.

Also what is the chance of Holm Oak or the Maritime Pine?

Holm Oak will take almost anything, although it grows rather stunted
in very exposed sites. I've seen them in west Cornwall on top of low
cliffs at Prussia Cove where they catch the worst of the SW gales. The
maritime pine (P. pinaster) is also good, slow growing but getting
quite big eventually. Grows extensively around Bournemouth,
apparently.

All suggestions welcomw.

John




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On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 21:01:00 -0000, "J Rogers"
wrote:

Hi

Are there any good books / leaflets with suggestions for a seaside
garden.

"Seaside Gardening" by Christine Kelway, Collingridge, 1962, and/or
"Shrubs for the Milder Counties" by W. Arnold-Forster, Country Life,
1948. Both long out of print, but you may be able to get them
second-hand (try the Advanced Book Exchange http://www.abebooks.com ).
If you have the choice, get Kelway's book in preference to the other:
it'll be a lot cheaper and anyway I reckon she cribbed quite a lot
from Arnold-Forster, whom she knew quite well.

Arnold Fosters book has been updated (not revised) and reprinted and is
priced £25. I have a copy of the new version and find its a handy reference.
because gardening has moved on there is a project underway to write a new
book (Gardening on the edge) which will take his ideas a stage further.
I can put you in touch with the publisher if interested.

--
Charlie, gardening in Cornwall.
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of National Plant Collection of Clematis viticella (cvs)

"Chris Hogg" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 21:01:00 -0000, "J Rogers"
wrote:

Hi

Are there any good books / leaflets with suggestions for a seaside
garden.

"Seaside Gardening" by Christine Kelway, Collingridge, 1962, and/or
"Shrubs for the Milder Counties" by W. Arnold-Forster, Country Life,
1948. Both long out of print, but you may be able to get them
second-hand (try the Advanced Book Exchange http://www.abebooks.com ).
If you have the choice, get Kelway's book in preference to the other:
it'll be a lot cheaper and anyway I reckon she cribbed quite a lot
from Arnold-Forster, whom she knew quite well.

Arnold Fosters book has been updated (not revised) and reprinted and is
priced £25. I have a copy of the new version and find its a handy reference.
because gardening has moved on there is a project underway to write a new
book (Gardening on the edge) which will take his ideas a stage further.
I can put you in touch with the publisher if interested.

--
Charlie, gardening in Cornwall.
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of National Plant Collection of Clematis viticella (cvs)