"Christina Websell" wrote in message
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Mine is a catch dead one- but he ain't stupid

Get a man in - best road - we did several years back and no more moley
since.
He left his trap here with us for about a week -then his son was sent round
to
retrieve trap and contents - £40 iirc (:-)
Pete

On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 00:21:56 -0000, "Christina Websell"
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If you like to see a predator killing the birds you've attracted, well, it
must be a man thing is all I can say.
Actually, I won't be kind to you, it's sick if you deliberately do it and
it's why I've stopped feeding on the birdtable when I know the sparrowhawk
will come. I'm setting up the small birds to be killed.

When a predatory or larger bird perches on the top of the feeder in my
garden the smaller birds stay away. That's apart from some tits that
seem to be suicidal.

Steve

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If you like to see a predator killing the birds you've attracted, well, it
must be a man thing is all I can say.
Actually, I won't be kind to you, it's sick if you deliberately do it and
it's why I've stopped feeding on the birdtable when I know the sparrowhawk
will come. I'm setting up the small birds to be killed.





Look at it this way:

Feed the small birds, they thrive and multiply, sparrowhawk has
a good feed occasionally.

Don't feed the small birds, they struggle and decline. No meal
for sparrowhawk, so they decline as well.

You pays your money and takes your choice!

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Roger T

700 ft up in Mid-Wales

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If you like to see a predator killing the birds you've attracted, well,
it
must be a man thing is all I can say.
Actually, I won't be kind to you, it's sick if you deliberately do it and
it's why I've stopped feeding on the birdtable when I know the
sparrowhawk
will come. I'm setting up the small birds to be killed.





Look at it this way:

Feed the small birds, they thrive and multiply, sparrowhawk has
a good feed occasionally.

Don't feed the small birds, they struggle and decline. No meal
for sparrowhawk, so they decline as well.

You pays your money and takes your choice!

--
Roger T

do you have sparrowhawks in your garden Roger?

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do you have sparrowhawks in your garden Roger?




Yes I do, and as Malcolm says, there sucess rate is very
limited. I do have a picture of one in the garden, enjoying a
snack, but I'll not upset you by posting it!

Taken to extreme, you arguements could be construed as any
carnivore, including man should not exist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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700 ft up in Mid-Wales

On 31/12/2014 10:35, Roger Tonkin wrote:
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do you have sparrowhawks in your garden Roger?




Yes I do, and as Malcolm says, there sucess rate is very
limited. I do have a picture of one in the garden, enjoying a
snack, but I'll not upset you by posting it!

Taken to extreme, you arguements could be construed as any
carnivore, including man should not exist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've been watching this thread develop over time and have to laugh.
My feeder has plenty pf shelter near it for the birds anything from 2 ft
away to 20 ft depending on the direction of flight.
Our resident sparrowhawk patrols about once an hour and I have yet to
see it get a bird from the feeder, my other feeding station is along the
track where I have the feed hanging inside Hanging baskets hung as a
pair on end.
I have seen the Sparrow Hawk holding on to the baskets and trying to
catch a small bird inside the baskets (well we like Chicken in the basket).
I have also seen him diving through the hawthorn hedge after a bird;
which got away.
He has also at times perched on top of the feeder to get his breath
back, or on a nearby branch
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...psf1839bc9.jpg
Normally after his visits everything is back to normal within about 3
minutes.
I should add that any mice I trap go onto the track for him and vanish
in very quick time.
David @ a frost free side of Swansea Bay

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"Christina Websell" wrote in message
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Mine is a catch dead one- but he ain't stupid

Get a man in - best road - we did several years back and no more moley
since.
He left his trap here with us for about a week -then his son was sent
round to
retrieve trap and contents - £40 iirc (:-)
Pete

Might be worth it. I cannot stand in any part of my garden any more, it
sinks because of the mole. so anyone that can get him is very welcome. I
don't like to kill anything but sometimes you have to do what you have to
do.

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Tina is clearly one of those who have divided wildlife up into "good" and
"bad". This is a not uncommon stance, but one which is actually quite hard
to defend, as she has found. She now says that she is stopping feeding the
small birds, yet obviously did this for the best of reasons, improving
their survival chances throught the winter and setting them up for
successful breeding in the next season. This good work has now been
abandoned all because another species of birds comes to her bird table and
kills a few of them.

Now that we've got on to the mole, there's a very easy method for her to
get rid of it, adopted by those who look after golf courses and sports
fields. You poison all the nasty slimy worms and the mole, deprived of its
food, goes elsewhere :-)


well, that's not going to happen. I used to poison rats, until I saw one
dying for a few days from it and then killed it myself to prevent further
suffering. which I didn't like to do, so poison is a no no here. After that
I got terriers in. It's much kinder - either the rats get away unscathed or
they don't. If they don't they are dead in a second which is much better
than days of dying of poison, I think you will agree.

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"Malcolm" wrote in message
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Tina is clearly one of those who have divided wildlife up into "good"
and "bad". This is a not uncommon stance, but one which is actually
quite hard to defend, as she has found. She now says that she is
stopping feeding the small birds, yet obviously did this for the best of
reasons, improving their survival chances throught the winter and
setting them up for successful breeding in the next season. This good
work has now been abandoned all because another species of birds comes
to her bird table and kills a few of them.

Now that we've got on to the mole, there's a very easy method for her to
get rid of it, adopted by those who look after golf courses and sports
fields. You poison all the nasty slimy worms and the mole, deprived of
its food, goes elsewhere :-)


well, that's not going to happen. I used to poison rats, until I saw one
dying for a few days from it and then killed it myself to prevent further
suffering. which I didn't like to do, so poison is a no no here. After
that I got terriers in. It's much kinder - either the rats get away
unscathed or they don't. If they don't they are dead in a second which is
much better than days of dying of poison, I think you will agree.


Whoosh

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David

"Christina Websell" wrote in message
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"Peter & Jeanne" wrote in message
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Regular visitor to our feeders is a sparrowhawk.
Not after the nuts either !

All is peaceful sharing with the regular woodies though (:-)

Pete

I stopped feeding the birds due to this very thing - a very persistant
sparrowhawk who saw my bird table and hanging feeders as an ideal
opportunity. It felt like I was just setting up a trap for the small
bird's demise.
Unfortunately, the sparrowhawk nested in my garden hatching 6 chicks so
it
will be quite a while before I can feed the birds again.
Feeding the birds used to give me a lot of pleasure.

Then carry on doing so. Sparrowhawks deserve to feed, too, and each will
be satisfied by the equivalent of one starling per day. By having them
nest in your garden, they were taking up to 8 times that.during the
rearing period, so there's no logic in a different attitude during the
winter!

I don't care what you say, I'm not going to feed birds in my garden while
I have sparrowhawks here that will pick them off the birdtable.
I so wish they were not protected.


Oh dearie me.
Would you really kill them, as that is what you are insinuating?

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David

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"Christina Websell" wrote in message
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"Peter & Jeanne" wrote in message
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Regular visitor to our feeders is a sparrowhawk.
Not after the nuts either !

All is peaceful sharing with the regular woodies though (:-)

Pete

I stopped feeding the birds due to this very thing - a very persistant
sparrowhawk who saw my bird table and hanging feeders as an ideal
opportunity. It felt like I was just setting up a trap for the small
bird's demise.
Unfortunately, the sparrowhawk nested in my garden hatching 6 chicks so
it
will be quite a while before I can feed the birds again.
Feeding the birds used to give me a lot of pleasure.

Then carry on doing so. Sparrowhawks deserve to feed, too, and each
will be satisfied by the equivalent of one starling per day. By having
them nest in your garden, they were taking up to 8 times that.during
the rearing period, so there's no logic in a different attitude during
the winter!

I don't care what you say, I'm not going to feed birds in my garden while
I have sparrowhawks here that will pick them off the birdtable.
I so wish they were not protected.


Oh dearie me.
Would you really kill them, as that is what you are insinuating?

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David

No, of course not. They are protected. Pity.

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"Christina Websell" wrote in message
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I have sparrowhawks here that will pick them off the birdtable.
I so wish they were not protected.


Oh dearie me.
Would you really kill them, as that is what you are insinuating?

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David

No, of course not. They are protected. Pity.

But you're implying, if they were not protected birds you would kill
them. If so you would be as murderous as the bird you're accusing of
bird murder.

Janet

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"Christina Websell" wrote in
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I have sparrowhawks here that will pick them off the birdtable.
I so wish they were not protected.


Oh dearie me.
Would you really kill them, as that is what you are insinuating?

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David

No, of course not. They are protected. Pity.

But you're implying, if they were not protected birds you would kill
them. If so you would be as murderous as the bird you're accusing of
bird murder.

Janet

Let's just say that I don't trust them when they are looking at my chickens.
Which they do. If they don't kill my chickens, I don't have a problem with
them. If they do, I have. , but chickens know what a predator is and it's
putting mine off lay.