Apologies if this has already been posted.

Our allotment society has circulated this link.

http://www.avaaz.org/en/petition/
We_dont_accept_this_Let_us_keep_our_seeds_EU

Scary if it is accurate.

Cheers

Dave R

On Tuesday 10 September 2013 21:51 David.WE.Roberts wrote in
uk.rec.gardening:

Apologies if this has already been posted.

Our allotment society has circulated this link.

http://www.avaaz.org/en/petition/
We_dont_accept_this_Let_us_keep_our_seeds_EU

Scary if it is accurate.

Cheers

Dave R

Yebbut who in amateur circles is going to give 2 hoots?

"They" trued to ban 100W incandescent lamps - just look on Google for how
easy it is to still buy those.

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In article , says...
Subject: Petition against ban on non-approved seeds
From: David.WE.Roberts
Newsgroups: uk.rec.gardening

Apologies if this has already been posted.

Our allotment society has circulated this link.

http://www.avaaz.org/en/petition/
We_dont_accept_this_Let_us_keep_our_seeds_EU

Scary if it is accurate.

It isn't accurate. It's hysterical scaremongering.

We've had this discussion before on urg.

Janet.

In article ,
says...

In article , says...
Subject: Petition against ban on non-approved seeds
From: David.WE.Roberts
Newsgroups: uk.rec.gardening

Apologies if this has already been posted.

Our allotment society has circulated this link.

http://www.avaaz.org/en/petition/
We_dont_accept_this_Let_us_keep_our_seeds_EU

Scary if it is accurate.

It isn't accurate. It's hysterical scaremongering.

We've had this discussion before on urg.

Janet.


The previous thread is called Haveyou heard about this, started May
12th.

I quote my post to it:



http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/health_consu...oposal_aphp_en.
pdf

Page 16, para 27,

"Plant reproductive material which is made available on the market
only in limited quantities by small producers (niche market
plant reproductive material) should be
exempted from the requirement of belonging to a registered variety. That
derogation is necessary to prevent undue constraints to the making
available on the market of plant reproductive material, which is of
lesser commercial interest, but is important for the
maintenance of genetic diversity. "

That statement appears to exclude Heritage seeds (and small
producers/traders in Heritage seeds) from the need to register
varieties.

Paras 36 and 37 also appear to derogate Heritage material

Plus, there will be no restriction or registration requirement on non-
commercial exchanges of seed between private individuals

.................................................. .

Janet

On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 09:03:53 +0200, Martin wrote:

On 10 Sep 2013 20:51:00 GMT, "David.WE.Roberts"
wrote:

Apologies if this has already been posted.

Our allotment society has circulated this link.

http://www.avaaz.org/en/petition/
We_dont_accept_this_Let_us_keep_our_seeds_EU

Scary if it is accurate.

and if it isn't?

Then the petition is a waste of time.

On 11 Sep 2013 11:18:09 GMT, David.WE.Roberts wrote:

http://www.avaaz.org/en/petition/
We_dont_accept_this_Let_us_keep_our_seeds_EU

Scary if it is accurate.

and if it isn't?

Then the petition is a waste of time.

Like the vast majority of these e-petitions. Rarely has the person
drawing up the petition statement full researched the subject or
proposal they are objecting about. They tend to be knee jerks after a
"conversation in the pub".

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Cheers
Dave.

On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 12:45:02 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

Like the vast majority of these e-petitions. Rarely has the person
drawing up the petition statement full researched the subject or
proposal they are objecting about. They tend to be knee jerks after a
"conversation in the pub".

Someone should start a petition to stop conversations in pubs

Steve

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"Martin" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 13:54:59 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme
wrote:

On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 12:45:02 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

Like the vast majority of these e-petitions. Rarely has the person
drawing up the petition statement full researched the subject or
proposal they are objecting about. They tend to be knee jerks after a
"conversation in the pub".

Someone should start a petition to stop conversations in pubs

4,000 pubs will close this year.
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On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 13:32:24 +0200, Martin wrote:

On 11 Sep 2013 11:18:09 GMT, "David.WE.Roberts"
wrote:

On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 09:03:53 +0200, Martin wrote:

On 10 Sep 2013 20:51:00 GMT, "David.WE.Roberts"
wrote:

Apologies if this has already been posted.

Our allotment society has circulated this link.

http://www.avaaz.org/en/petition/
We_dont_accept_this_Let_us_keep_our_seeds_EU

Scary if it is accurate.

and if it isn't?

Then the petition is a waste of time.

Exactly. See Janet's reply.

I don't see any reply - perhaps there is a Janet in my kill file?
ISTR problems with one poster called Janet.

So does anyone know if this is a real issue - will we see heritage
varieties disappear from seed suppliers and plant breeders?

Cheers

Dave R

On 11/09/2013 22:03, David.WE.Roberts wrote:
On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 13:32:24 +0200, Martin wrote:

On 11 Sep 2013 11:18:09 GMT, "David.WE.Roberts"
wrote:

On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 09:03:53 +0200, Martin wrote:

On 10 Sep 2013 20:51:00 GMT, "David.WE.Roberts"
wrote:

Apologies if this has already been posted.

Our allotment society has circulated this link.

http://www.avaaz.org/en/petition/
We_dont_accept_this_Let_us_keep_our_seeds_EU

Scary if it is accurate.

and if it isn't?

Then the petition is a waste of time.

Exactly. See Janet's reply.

I don't see any reply - perhaps there is a Janet in my kill file?
ISTR problems with one poster called Janet.

So does anyone know if this is a real issue - will we see heritage
varieties disappear from seed suppliers and plant breeders?

Cheers

Dave R

This wont apply to heritage and small seed raisers, just to the large
commercial seed houses
see
http://www.rebeccataylor.eu/2013/05/...romyth-busted/
and/ or http://www.realseeds.co.uk/seedlaw.html

On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 22:55:00 +0100, Chris Hogg wrote:

On 11 Sep 2013 21:03:02 GMT, "David.WE.Roberts"
wrote:

On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 13:32:24 +0200, Martin wrote:

Exactly. See Janet's reply.

I don't see any reply - perhaps there is a Janet in my kill file? ISTR
problems with one poster called Janet.

So does anyone know if this is a real issue - will we see heritage
varieties disappear from seed suppliers and plant breeders?

Cheers

Dave R

Janet's reply was as follows:

Quote

"The previous thread is called Have you heard about this, started May
12th.

I quote my post to it:



http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/health_consu...oposal_aphp_en.
pdf

Page 16, para 27,

"Plant reproductive material which is made available on the market
only in limited quantities by small producers (niche market plant
reproductive material) should be exempted from the requirement of
belonging to a registered variety.
That derogation is necessary to prevent undue constraints to the making
available on the market of plant reproductive material, which is of
lesser commercial interest, but is important for the maintenance of
genetic diversity. "

That statement appears to exclude Heritage seeds (and small
producers/traders in Heritage seeds) from the need to register
varieties.

Paras 36 and 37 also appear to derogate Heritage material

Plus, there will be no restriction or registration requirement on
non-
commercial exchanges of seed between private individuals

..................................................

Janet"
Unquote

The full thread is at
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=...rec.gardening/
meNv8Dz6kII


I suggest you check your kill file and remove Janet's name from it if
it's there.

Thanks - drifting of topic a bit but was there a problem with two Janets,
one of whom was offensive, and possibly both posting from the same
identity?

If so, has this been resolved?

Cheers

Dave R

"David.WE.Roberts" wrote:

Apologies if this has already been posted.

Our allotment society has circulated this link.

For what it's worth: when I attended the Seed Saver's Exchange summer
gathering in Iowa (I know; across the pond and a lot of land as well), one
of the speakers said that the E.U. group working on standardizing plants
had loosened its grip quite a bit, to allow the variation of landraces as
well as to make it clear that heirloom seed loonies (my term) could do as
they wished, including trading amongst themselves, even if money changes
hands.
Now, you may well argue that the real concern is whether there should be
any regulation at all, but that's another bag of genes.
Personally, I'm more concerned about the very small number of very large
companies who have dominion over our food supplies.
See also, "Fahrenheit 451."
I'm an heirloom rutabaga and a foliage turnip probably not found elsewhere
(It was in the East German seed bank and seems to have disappeared from
listings.)

The colonial will be quiet now...;


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On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 18:29:19 -0400, Gary Woods wrote:

Personally, I'm more concerned about the very small number of very large
companies who have dominion over our food supplies.

On similar vein the very small number of varieties that are grown for
the worlds food supply.

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Cheers
Dave.

You get domination by the few everywhere.

Mike





"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
ll.co.uk...

On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 18:29:19 -0400, Gary Woods wrote:

Personally, I'm more concerned about the very small number of very large
companies who have dominion over our food supplies.

On similar vein the very small number of varieties that are grown for
the worlds food supply.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Thu, 12 Sep 2013 08:15:06 +0100, Chris Hogg wrote:

On 11 Sep 2013 22:13:59 GMT, "David.WE.Roberts"
wrote:



Thanks - drifting of topic a bit but was there a problem with two
Janets,
one of whom was offensive, and possibly both posting from the same
identity?

If so, has this been resolved?

Cheers

Dave R

We did have a troll here who assumed the identities of several of the
regular posters, but was easily spotted from the headers. I don't recall
'Janet' as being one of the troll's aliases, but anyway he/she seems to
have gone away now.

Ta - after some digging in the innards of Pan I found out how to remove an
'ignore' entry.