My autumn fruiting raspberries are now in their fourth year and their
cropping level is appalling. The last three years saw no crop apart
from literally four or five fruit. This year maybe a cup full of
berries from eight canes.

Each winter I cut the canes down to the ground in February and mulch
them with compost. I feed them with chicken pellets twice a year.

My inclination is to dig them up and to replace them. On another forum
someone suggested leaving the canes until next year and to treat them as
a summer fruiting variety as it's not unknown for nurserymen to make a
mistake when bundling up fruit canes for dispatch. And yet they do
fruit in the autumn but only a very little. So I'm not sure this is a
good suggestion to follow.

I would be grateful for any thoughts from the regulars on this news
group.

Peter

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On Sun, 18 Aug 2013 08:21:36 +0100, (Peter
James) wrote:

My autumn fruiting raspberries are now in their fourth year and their
cropping level is appalling. The last three years saw no crop apart
from literally four or five fruit. This year maybe a cup full of
berries from eight canes.

Each winter I cut the canes down to the ground in February and mulch
them with compost. I feed them with chicken pellets twice a year.

My inclination is to dig them up and to replace them. On another forum
someone suggested leaving the canes until next year and to treat them as
a summer fruiting variety as it's not unknown for nurserymen to make a
mistake when bundling up fruit canes for dispatch. And yet they do
fruit in the autumn but only a very little. So I'm not sure this is a
good suggestion to follow.

I would be grateful for any thoughts from the regulars on this news
group.

Peter

I think you are feeding them too much. My Autumn fruiting raspberries
did really well the last few years I had my allotment and I never fed
or mulched them apart from some sulphate of potash one year. You are
feeding at the expense of fruit. Give them a year unfed. Cut them down
and leave them and see what happens.

Pam in Bristol

On 18/08/2013 08:40, Pam Moore wrote:
On Sun, 18 Aug 2013 08:21:36 +0100, (Peter
James) wrote:

My autumn fruiting raspberries are now in their fourth year and their
cropping level is appalling. The last three years saw no crop apart
from literally four or five fruit. This year maybe a cup full of
berries from eight canes.

Each winter I cut the canes down to the ground in February and mulch
them with compost. I feed them with chicken pellets twice a year.

My inclination is to dig them up and to replace them. On another forum
someone suggested leaving the canes until next year and to treat them as
a summer fruiting variety as it's not unknown for nurserymen to make a
mistake when bundling up fruit canes for dispatch. And yet they do
fruit in the autumn but only a very little. So I'm not sure this is a
good suggestion to follow.

I would be grateful for any thoughts from the regulars on this news
group.

Peter

I think you are feeding them too much. My Autumn fruiting raspberries
did really well the last few years I had my allotment and I never fed
or mulched them apart from some sulphate of potash one year. You are
feeding at the expense of fruit. Give them a year unfed. Cut them down
and leave them and see what happens.

Pam in Bristol

Mine are in their third year. Last year they were very disappointing,
which I was told here is usual and wait a year. Well I have, and though
better they are no match for my Summer ones, either in quantity or
quality. I wonder if I should have thinned out the canes during the
Summer, as it is a veritable jungle. If they are as poor next year I
will give up and remove them.

I have the opposite experience. Autumn raspberries are copious, large, dark and worm free. They are grown on thin stony soil and I give them nothing but the occasional scattering of wood ash, and water them only in desperately dry conditions. You are supposed to replant raspberries every 10 years or so, but I bought these about 25 years ago and have never renewed them, even took some with me when I moved house. They did even better in the clay-and-flints-and-utter-neglect of my previous house.

(Peter James) wrote in news:1l7shgb.tjd8gd1ttmgxeN%
:

My autumn fruiting raspberries are now in their fourth year and their
cropping level is appalling. The last three years saw no crop apart
from literally four or five fruit. This year maybe a cup full of
berries from eight canes.

Each winter I cut the canes down to the ground in February and mulch
them with compost. I feed them with chicken pellets twice a year.

My inclination is to dig them up and to replace them. On another forum
someone suggested leaving the canes until next year and to treat them as
a summer fruiting variety as it's not unknown for nurserymen to make a
mistake when bundling up fruit canes for dispatch. And yet they do
fruit in the autumn but only a very little. So I'm not sure this is a
good suggestion to follow.

I would be grateful for any thoughts from the regulars on this news
group.

Peter


I am wondering if you have the summer variety. By mistake as you mention.
They are trying to produce fruit on what is left from last years growth.
And you have cut most of it away, by accident.
I would treat them as summer fruiting this year for next year.
Do you know the variety (on the ticket)?
I am fairly sure that yours are summer fruiters.
My advice is to leave them with no pruning, and see what happens. I think
you will be well pleased next spring when you see lots of flowers on them.

Baz

On 19/08/2013 15:56, Baz wrote:
(Peter James) wrote in news:1l7shgb.tjd8gd1ttmgxeN%
:

My autumn fruiting raspberries are now in their fourth year and their
cropping level is appalling. The last three years saw no crop apart
from literally four or five fruit. This year maybe a cup full of
berries from eight canes.

Each winter I cut the canes down to the ground in February and mulch
them with compost. I feed them with chicken pellets twice a year.

My inclination is to dig them up and to replace them. On another forum
someone suggested leaving the canes until next year and to treat them as
a summer fruiting variety as it's not unknown for nurserymen to make a
mistake when bundling up fruit canes for dispatch. And yet they do
fruit in the autumn but only a very little. So I'm not sure this is a
good suggestion to follow.

I would be grateful for any thoughts from the regulars on this news
group.

Peter


I am wondering if you have the summer variety. By mistake as you mention.
They are trying to produce fruit on what is left from last years growth.
And you have cut most of it away, by accident.
I would treat them as summer fruiting this year for next year.
Do you know the variety (on the ticket)?
I am fairly sure that yours are summer fruiters.
My advice is to leave them with no pruning, and see what happens. I think
you will be well pleased next spring when you see lots of flowers on them.

Baz


Which ? found that for many autumn raspberries you get a greater overall
yield by leaving the canes that fruited in the autumn to fruit again the
following summer and then remove them. Meanwhile another set of canes
have grown to fruit in the autumn.

paul

On 19/08/2013 17:38, Paul Luton wrote:
On 19/08/2013 15:56, Baz wrote:
(Peter James) wrote in news:1l7shgb.tjd8gd1ttmgxeN%
:

My autumn fruiting raspberries are now in their fourth year and their
cropping level is appalling. The last three years saw no crop apart
from literally four or five fruit. This year maybe a cup full of
berries from eight canes.

Each winter I cut the canes down to the ground in February and mulch
them with compost. I feed them with chicken pellets twice a year.

My inclination is to dig them up and to replace them. On another forum
someone suggested leaving the canes until next year and to treat them as
a summer fruiting variety as it's not unknown for nurserymen to make a
mistake when bundling up fruit canes for dispatch. And yet they do
fruit in the autumn but only a very little. So I'm not sure this is a
good suggestion to follow.

I would be grateful for any thoughts from the regulars on this news
group.

Peter


I am wondering if you have the summer variety. By mistake as you mention.
They are trying to produce fruit on what is left from last years growth.
And you have cut most of it away, by accident.
I would treat them as summer fruiting this year for next year.
Do you know the variety (on the ticket)?
I am fairly sure that yours are summer fruiters.
My advice is to leave them with no pruning, and see what happens. I think
you will be well pleased next spring when you see lots of flowers on
them.

Baz


Which ? found that for many autumn raspberries you get a greater overall
yield by leaving the canes that fruited in the autumn to fruit again the
following summer and then remove them. Meanwhile another set of canes
have grown to fruit in the autumn.

paul
Thanks for all the help, but "echinosum" your comments were welcome but
are you aware that your post appeared 4 times?

On 20/08/2013 10:54, Martin wrote:
On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 09:37:31 +0100, Broadback
wrote:

On 19/08/2013 17:38, Paul Luton wrote:
On 19/08/2013 15:56, Baz wrote:
(Peter James) wrote in news:1l7shgb.tjd8gd1ttmgxeN%
:

My autumn fruiting raspberries are now in their fourth year and their
cropping level is appalling. The last three years saw no crop apart
from literally four or five fruit. This year maybe a cup full of
berries from eight canes.

Each winter I cut the canes down to the ground in February and mulch
them with compost. I feed them with chicken pellets twice a year.

My inclination is to dig them up and to replace them. On another forum
someone suggested leaving the canes until next year and to treat them as
a summer fruiting variety as it's not unknown for nurserymen to make a
mistake when bundling up fruit canes for dispatch. And yet they do
fruit in the autumn but only a very little. So I'm not sure this is a
good suggestion to follow.

I would be grateful for any thoughts from the regulars on this news
group.

Peter


I am wondering if you have the summer variety. By mistake as you mention.
They are trying to produce fruit on what is left from last years growth.
And you have cut most of it away, by accident.
I would treat them as summer fruiting this year for next year.
Do you know the variety (on the ticket)?
I am fairly sure that yours are summer fruiters.
My advice is to leave them with no pruning, and see what happens. I think
you will be well pleased next spring when you see lots of flowers on
them.

Baz


Which ? found that for many autumn raspberries you get a greater overall
yield by leaving the canes that fruited in the autumn to fruit again the
following summer and then remove them. Meanwhile another set of canes
have grown to fruit in the autumn.

paul
Thanks for all the help, but "echinosum" your comments were welcome but
are you aware that your post appeared 4 times?

It only arrived here once.

4 times here as well

David Hill wrote in
:

Thanks for all the help, but "echinosum" your comments were welcome
but are you aware that your post appeared 4 times?

It only arrived here once.

4 times here as well

Ditto, but so what? Doesn't bother anyone?

Baz

Paul Luton wrote in
. uk:

On 19/08/2013 15:56, Baz wrote:
(Peter James) wrote in
news:1l7shgb.tjd8gd1ttmgxeN% :

My autumn fruiting raspberries are now in their fourth year and
their cropping level is appalling. The last three years saw no crop
apart from literally four or five fruit. This year maybe a cup full
of berries from eight canes.

Each winter I cut the canes down to the ground in February and mulch
them with compost. I feed them with chicken pellets twice a year.

My inclination is to dig them up and to replace them. On another
forum someone suggested leaving the canes until next year and to
treat them as a summer fruiting variety as it's not unknown for
nurserymen to make a mistake when bundling up fruit canes for
dispatch. And yet they do fruit in the autumn but only a very
little. So I'm not sure this is a good suggestion to follow.

I would be grateful for any thoughts from the regulars on this news
group.

Peter


I am wondering if you have the summer variety. By mistake as you
mention. They are trying to produce fruit on what is left from last
years growth. And you have cut most of it away, by accident.
I would treat them as summer fruiting this year for next year.
Do you know the variety (on the ticket)?
I am fairly sure that yours are summer fruiters.
My advice is to leave them with no pruning, and see what happens. I
think you will be well pleased next spring when you see lots of
flowers on them.

Baz


Which ? found that for many autumn raspberries you get a greater
overall yield by leaving the canes that fruited in the autumn to fruit
again the following summer and then remove them. Meanwhile another set
of canes have grown to fruit in the autumn.

paul

I will try that. Sounds good. Nothing to lose!

Thanks
Baz

On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 10:44:35 GMT, Baz wrote:



Ditto, but so what? Doesn't bother anyone?

Baz

If I appeared to multi-post, I'd appreciate being told. Usually the
cause is a simple blip somewhere but occasionally it can indicate a
comms problem and knowing would lead to me keeping an eye on things
just in case.

On a different topic, Baz, the Victoria plum put on lots of healthy
growth but no blossom and hence no plums. I netted it last year after
reading on the group that birds would go for the buds. Have you had
better luck?

The Braeburn apple and pear trees are going as neither is growing well
and yet again produced no blossom at all. Other apple trees blossomed
well but I think there were too few pollinators around at the right
time. The best performer (4 fruits) is an unnamed tree that came from
somewhere last year as a foot high freebie but is about a metre high
already!

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Cheers, Jake
=======================================
Wilting just a little at the east end of Swansea Bay.

On 19/08/2013 11:39, echinosum wrote:
'Broadback[_3_ Wrote:
;990160']they are no match for my Summer ones, either in quantity or
quality. I wonder if I should have thinned out the canes during the
Summer, as it is a veritable jungle. If they are as poor next year I
will give up and remove them.
I have the opposite experience. Autumn raspberries are copious, large,
dark and worm free. They are grown on thin stony soil and I give them
nothing but the occasional scattering of wood ash, and water them only
in desperately dry conditions. You are supposed to replant raspberries
every 10 years or so, but I bought these about 25 years ago and have
never renewed them, even took some with me when I moved house. They did
even better in the clay-and-flints-and-utter-neglect of my previous
house.




This makes the 5th copy.

On 19/08/2013 11:39, echinosum wrote:

'Broadback[_3_ Wrote:
;990160']they are no match for my Summer ones, either in quantity or
quality. I wonder if I should have thinned out the canes during the
Summer, as it is a veritable jungle. If they are as poor next year I
will give up and remove them.
I have the opposite experience. Autumn raspberries are copious, large,
dark and worm free. They are grown on thin stony soil and I give them
nothing but the occasional scattering of wood ash, and water them only
in desperately dry conditions. You are supposed to replant raspberries
every 10 years or so, but I bought these about 25 years ago and have
never renewed them, even took some with me when I moved house. They did
even better in the clay-and-flints-and-utter-neglect of my previous
house.




I think you need to check your computer it's still sending out the same item

On 19/08/2013 11:39, echinosum wrote:

'Broadback[_3_ Wrote:
;990160']they are no match for my Summer ones, either in quantity or
quality. I wonder if I should have thinned out the canes during the
Summer, as it is a veritable jungle. If they are as poor next year I
will give up and remove them.
I have the opposite experience. Autumn raspberries are copious, large,
dark and worm free. They are grown on thin stony soil and I give them
nothing but the occasional scattering of wood ash, and water them only
in desperately dry conditions. You are supposed to replant raspberries
every 10 years or so, but I bought these about 25 years ago and have
never renewed them, even took some with me when I moved house. They did
even better in the clay-and-flints-and-utter-neglect of my previous
house.


I wonder if there is a fault at Garden banter?

On 19/08/2013 11:39, echinosum wrote:

'Broadback[_3_ Wrote:
;990160']they are no match for my Summer ones, either in quantity or
quality. I wonder if I should have thinned out the canes during the
Summer, as it is a veritable jungle. If they are as poor next year I
will give up and remove them.
I have the opposite experience. Autumn raspberries are copious, large,
dark and worm free. They are grown on thin stony soil and I give them
nothing but the occasional scattering of wood ash, and water them only
in desperately dry conditions. You are supposed to replant raspberries
every 10 years or so, but I bought these about 25 years ago and have
never renewed them, even took some with me when I moved house. They did
even better in the clay-and-flints-and-utter-neglect of my previous
house.
Please check with garden banter to see if they are responsible for your
multiple sendings