I grew some mixed Andean seeds about 4 years ago and gave the resulting
plants to someone who likes those types of plants.
One has now flowered for the first time, doesn't have a particularly
pleasant smell but we would like to identify it.
Anyone help here? Flowers now and grown quite sturdy.
I uploaded the pictures onto Flicker.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lancedal/
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Janet Tweedy

On Oct 15, 9:13*pm, Janet Tweedy wrote:
I grew some mixed Andean seeds about 4 years ago and gave the resulting
plants to someone who likes those types of plants.
One has now flowered for the first time, doesn't have a particularly
pleasant smell but we would like to identify it.
Anyone help here? Flowers now and grown quite sturdy.
I uploaded the pictures onto Flicker.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lancedal/
--
Janet Tweedy

I wonder if it could be Lardizabala biternata
www.chilebosque.cl/foro/viewtopic.php?t=1861
David Hill

In article
, Dave
Hill writes
I wonder if it could be Lardizabala biternata
www.chilebosque.cl/foro/viewtopic.php?t=1861
David Hill


Gosh that's quick David, none of the people at the Alpine gardening Club
or the hardy society could even begin to give a suggestion.
They'll be really pleased!

This will teach me to pass of unknown seeds
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Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

"Janet Tweedy" wrote in message
...
I grew some mixed Andean seeds about 4 years ago and gave the resulting
plants to someone who likes those types of plants.
One has now flowered for the first time, doesn't have a particularly
pleasant smell but we would like to identify it.
Anyone help here? Flowers now and grown quite sturdy.
I uploaded the pictures onto Flicker.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lancedal/
--
Janet Tweedy


I agree with David its Lardizabala biternata, I am surprised to see it
flowering now its normally a bit later, incidentally you need two different
seedlings if you want the sweet fruit.
It is related to but not as hardy as Akebia and Holboellia and in the wild
grows with Lapageria


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Charlie, Gardening in Cornwall
Holders of National Collections of Clematis viticella
and Lapageria rosea cvs
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk

In article , Charlie Pridham
writes
I agree with David its Lardizabala biternata, I am surprised to see it
flowering now its normally a bit later, incidentally you need two
different seedlings if you want the sweet fruit.
It is related to but not as hardy as Akebia and Holboellia and in the
wild grows with Lapageria

NO, well as they didn't know what it was they were going to give it 1
more year and were going to throw it out if it didn't flower - but now
it has!! Mind you the info on it on the web has some widely varying
suggestions for its preferred growing conditions!

Janet
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Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

"Janet Tweedy" wrote in message
...
In article , Charlie Pridham
writes
I agree with David its Lardizabala biternata, I am surprised to see it
flowering now its normally a bit later, incidentally you need two
different seedlings if you want the sweet fruit.
It is related to but not as hardy as Akebia and Holboellia and in the wild
grows with Lapageria

NO, well as they didn't know what it was they were going to give it 1 more
year and were going to throw it out if it didn't flower - but now it has!!
Mind you the info on it on the web has some widely varying suggestions for
its preferred growing conditions!

Janet
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Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

Definitely needs a wall, but it doesn't need to be a sunny wall as the grow
well in shady places, but it normally flowers winter/early spring and being
evergreen can be damaged in winter. I have only seen it happy in the coastal
area of Cornwall but as it is rarely planted that may be the reason! If
happy they are rampant and will sucker up and grow 20' or more per season
Tom Hudson at Tregrehan has terrible problems with his! I keep mine
contained in a pot until I can get a second plant then I may plant out for
the fruit


--
Charlie, Gardening in Cornwall
Holders of National Collections of Clematis viticella
and Lapageria rosea cvs
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk

In article , Charlie Pridham
writes
Definitely needs a wall, but it doesn't need to be a sunny wall as the
grow well in shady places, but it normally flowers winter/early spring
and being evergreen can be damaged in winter. I have only seen it happy
in the coastal area of Cornwall but as it is rarely planted that may be
the reason! If happy they are rampant and will sucker up and grow 20'
or more per season Tom Hudson at Tregrehan has terrible problems with
his! I keep mine contained in a pot until I can get a second plant then
I may plant out for the fruit


It's come through the last four winters anyway, Not knowing what they
had they had it climbing next to a Asteranthera But at the end of their
garden. Shady but not very good soil really and given no protection so I
assume they were lucky, they do have a lot of climbers all over the
place and the garden isn't overly large so maybe that's' the answer.
Anyway apparently it is about to flower its socks off

Anyone translate the Latin name ?

Lardizabala biternata

two something? Blossom? As in Choisya ternata?
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"Janet Tweedy" wrote in message
...
In article , Charlie Pridham
writes
Definitely needs a wall, but it doesn't need to be a sunny wall as the
grow well in shady places, but it normally flowers winter/early spring and
being evergreen can be damaged in winter. I have only seen it happy in the
coastal area of Cornwall but as it is rarely planted that may be the
reason! If happy they are rampant and will sucker up and grow 20' or more
per season Tom Hudson at Tregrehan has terrible problems with his! I keep
mine contained in a pot until I can get a second plant then I may plant
out for the fruit


It's come through the last four winters anyway, Not knowing what they had
they had it climbing next to a Asteranthera But at the end of their
garden. Shady but not very good soil really and given no protection so I
assume they were lucky, they do have a lot of climbers all over the place
and the garden isn't overly large so maybe that's' the answer. Anyway
apparently it is about to flower its socks off

Anyone translate the Latin name ?

Lardizabala biternata

two something? Blossom? As in Choisya ternata?
--


I think it refers to the leaves, twice ternate, i.e. sets of three in pairs
on the stems, not sure about the Genus name although the common name is
Zabala fruit, it has been known as other things in the past but I have only
ever known it as Lardizabala biternata



--
Charlie, Gardening in Cornwall
Holders of National Collections of Clematis viticella
and Lapageria rosea cvs
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk

In message , Charlie Pridham
writes

"Janet Tweedy" wrote in message
...
In article , Charlie Pridham
writes
Definitely needs a wall, but it doesn't need to be a sunny wall as
the grow well in shady places, but it normally flowers winter/early
spring and being evergreen can be damaged in winter. I have only seen
it happy in the coastal area of Cornwall but as it is rarely planted
that may be the reason! If happy they are rampant and will sucker up
and grow 20' or more per season Tom Hudson at Tregrehan has terrible
problems with his! I keep mine contained in a pot until I can get a
second plant then I may plant out for the fruit


It's come through the last four winters anyway, Not knowing what they
had they had it climbing next to a Asteranthera But at the end of
their garden. Shady but not very good soil really and given no
protection so I assume they were lucky, they do have a lot of climbers
all over the place and the garden isn't overly large so maybe that's'
the answer. Anyway apparently it is about to flower its socks off

Anyone translate the Latin name ?

Lardizabala biternata

two something? Blossom? As in Choisya ternata?
--

I think it refers to the leaves, twice ternate, i.e. sets of three in
pairs on the stems, not sure about the Genus name although the common
name is Zabala fruit, it has been known as other things in the past but
I have only ever known it as Lardizabala biternata

Biternate is analogous to bipinnate - it means leaves divided into three
parts, and each part divided again into three parts.

Going to the original description of the genus, I find that it is named
in honour of Miguel de Lardizabal y Uribe, who was connected with the
Royal Botanic Gardens of Madrid (Real Jardin de Madrid y de la
Botanica).
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

In article , Stewart Robert Hinsley
writes
Biternate is analogous to bipinnate - it means leaves divided into
three parts, and each part divided again into three parts.

Going to the original description of the genus, I find that it is named
in honour of Miguel de Lardizabal y Uribe, who was connected with the
Royal Botanic Gardens of Madrid (Real Jardin de Madrid y de la
Botanica).


Thanks for both answers! It was interesting to see how the name was
derived from the foliage rather than the special flowers!
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Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk