These are a couple of shrubs that I've passed on my travels that I don't
recognise. The first might be planted, or might be an escape; I'm
moderately certain that the second is an escape.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/27317581@N06/3778458540/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/27317581@N06/3778458312/

And also, while I'm asking, does anyone recognise this bellflower.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/27317581@N06/3778458074/
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Stewart Robert Hinsley

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These are a couple of shrubs that I've passed on my travels that I
don't
recognise. The first might be planted, or might be an escape; I'm
moderately certain that the second is an escape.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/27317581@N06/3778458540/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/27317581@N06/3778458312/

And also, while I'm asking, does anyone recognise this bellflower.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/27317581@N06/3778458074/
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Stewart Robert Hinsley

Dicot 28 could possibly be Vibernum Tinus
http://www.findmeplants.co.uk/plant-...inus-1158.aspx

That last irritates me as I planted a campanula last year, it is doing it stuff and looks like your photo, but can I now find its label???

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"Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote in message
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These are a couple of shrubs that I've passed on my travels that I
don't
recognise. The first might be planted, or might be an escape; I'm
moderately certain that the second is an escape.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/27317581@N06/3778458540/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/27317581@N06/3778458312/

And also, while I'm asking, does anyone recognise this bellflower.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/27317581@N06/3778458074/
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Stewart Robert Hinsley

Dicot 28 could possibly be Vibernum Tinus
http://www.findmeplants.co.uk/plant-...inus-1158.aspx


The venation pattern is not corrrect for Viburnum tinus; Viburnum tinus
is asymmetrically pinnately veined, which is a fairly common pattern for
dicots

http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ldplants/viti12.htm

At a gross level Dicot28 has three parallel veins extending the length
of the leaf; but it looks as if the veins are dichtomomising (with the
first two splits near the base of the leaf, and sometimes hardly
separable, and a fourth vein sometimes present towards the apex. (It
could be pinnate veined in origin, with the lateral veins reduced in
number, and extended towards the apex of the leaf.)

Did you mean Dicot06? I don't see any obvious reason to discount this
one as Viburnum tinus. (In life it didn't jump out at me as Viburnum
tinus, but I haven't noticed any of these recently.)
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Stewart Robert Hinsley

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These are a couple of shrubs that I've passed on my travels that I
don't recognise. The first might be planted, or might be an escape; I'm
moderately certain that the second is an escape.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/27317581@N06/3778458540/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/27317581@N06/3778458312/

And also, while I'm asking, does anyone recognise this bellflower.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/27317581@N06/3778458074/

Could the first be Viburnum Davidii?
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In message , Stewart Robert Hinsley
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These are a couple of shrubs that I've passed on my travels that I
don't recognise. The first might be planted, or might be an escape;
I'm moderately certain that the second is an escape.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/27317581@N06/3778458540/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/27317581@N06/3778458312/

And also, while I'm asking, does anyone recognise this bellflower.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/27317581@N06/3778458074/

Could the first be Viburnum Davidii?

Looks very like it. Thanks.
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Stewart Robert Hinsley

Stewart Robert Hinsley writes

Did you mean Dicot06? I don't see any obvious reason to discount this
one as Viburnum tinus. (In life it didn't jump out at me as Viburnum
tinus, but I haven't noticed any of these recently.)

Not V tinus. Is it one of the large leaved shrubby cotoneasters? Eg
lacteus?

No idea on the campanula. Thought at first it was poscharsky...whatever,
but I think the leaves are wrong - rounder than the pointed ovals on
yours.

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Kay

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Stewart Robert Hinsley writes

Did you mean Dicot06? I don't see any obvious reason to discount this
one as Viburnum tinus. (In life it didn't jump out at me as Viburnum
tinus, but I haven't noticed any of these recently.)

Not V tinus. Is it one of the large leaved shrubby cotoneasters? Eg
lacteus?

It doesn't shout out Cotoneaster to me either, but then I don't know
very many Cotoneasters. However, Stace says that Rosaceae have alternate
leaves; this plant has opposite leaves.

No idea on the campanula. Thought at first it was
poscharsky...whatever, but I think the leaves are wrong - rounder than
the pointed ovals on yours.

I've got another Campanula on the list of stuff to identify, which is
nearer to poscharskyana. (It doesn't look that far from carpatica
either.)
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Stewart Robert Hinsley writes

Did you mean Dicot06? I don't see any obvious reason to discount this
one as Viburnum tinus. (In life it didn't jump out at me as Viburnum
tinus, but I haven't noticed any of these recently.)

Not V tinus. Is it one of the large leaved shrubby cotoneasters? Eg
lacteus?

It doesn't shout out Cotoneaster to me either, but then I don't know
very many Cotoneasters. However, Stace says that Rosaceae have
alternate leaves; this plant has opposite leaves.

Which is why you're looking at Viburnum (and you're quite right that
Cotoneaster has alternate leaves). Well, it's got the right vein pattern
for V tinus. But the picture looks slightly greyish, the sort of
reflection you get from a slightly thicker waxy coated shiny leaf. V
tinus leaves are shiny, but they look very green - I think you'd be hard
put to get so many of them in a photo to look greyish.

Your leaf tips are a bluntish point. V tinus has a sharper point - the
nagle between the two sides is smaller.


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Kay

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Stewart Robert Hinsley writes
In message , K
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Stewart Robert Hinsley writes

Did you mean Dicot06? I don't see any obvious reason to discount
this one as Viburnum tinus. (In life it didn't jump out at me as
Viburnum tinus, but I haven't noticed any of these recently.)

Not V tinus. Is it one of the large leaved shrubby cotoneasters? Eg
lacteus?

It doesn't shout out Cotoneaster to me either, but then I don't know
very many Cotoneasters. However, Stace says that Rosaceae have
alternate leaves; this plant has opposite leaves.

Which is why you're looking at Viburnum (and you're quite right that
Cotoneaster has alternate leaves). Well, it's got the right vein
pattern for V tinus. But the picture looks slightly greyish, the sort
of reflection you get from a slightly thicker waxy coated shiny leaf. V
tinus leaves are shiny, but they look very green - I think you'd be
hard put to get so many of them in a photo to look greyish.

It was in deepish shade, and I had to use flash, which does tend to
distort the colours, and also makes the leaves look more glossy than
they are.

Your leaf tips are a bluntish point. V tinus has a sharper point - the
nagle between the two sides is smaller.

Looking at photographs on the web I see that V. tinus has shortly
acuminate leaf apices, which makes the distinction stronger.
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Stewart Robert Hinsley