Ba Humbug!
What a farce, pity they didn't get some veg growers to do the prog.
the team are not veg growers as could be seen by their advice and how
they were doing things.
As for the "New" garden, I wish I could throw money at a site as they
have done,
How much better to show how to do the different jobs without spending
a fortune, £200 for a raised bed, and they have 4.
Why not show how you can dig out the path around the bed to use the
top soil to make the raised bed, keep the beds no more than 5ft wide
so you can work them without having to walk on the bed,
I'm sure that others here could go on adding to the faults
David Hill
Abacus Nurseries

On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 12:47:08 -0700 (PDT), Dave Hill
wrote:

Ba Humbug!
What a farce, pity they didn't get some veg growers to do the prog.
the team are not veg growers as could be seen by their advice and how
they were doing things.
As for the "New" garden, I wish I could throw money at a site as they
have done,
How much better to show how to do the different jobs without spending
a fortune, £200 for a raised bed, and they have 4.
Why not show how you can dig out the path around the bed to use the
top soil to make the raised bed, keep the beds no more than 5ft wide
so you can work them without having to walk on the bed,
I'm sure that others here could go on adding to the faults
David Hill
Abacus Nurseries

More Humbugs!
I would love to know exactly how much money, time, manpower etc was
spent to get the garden from the quagmire it was at the beginning of
Feb to the lovely workable, weed-free soil they had at the end of
March. All those diggers etc and now look at it!
Toby suggested that our Councils might provide "free" compost. Just
try asking my council about that! They charge "the earth!!!"
How much did they spend on the building work?
Those growbags planted with lettuce seed were done in a ridiculous
place. Try moving a ready planted growbag off a paved area without
disturbing it!
The shed looks dreadful, the "sofa" area is a stupid idea.
I've learned nothing yet!


Pam in Bristol

Pam Moore wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 12:47:08 -0700 (PDT), Dave Hill
wrote:

Ba Humbug!
What a farce, pity they didn't get some veg growers to do the prog.
the team are not veg growers as could be seen by their advice and how
they were doing things.
As for the "New" garden, I wish I could throw money at a site as they
have done,
How much better to show how to do the different jobs without spending
a fortune, £200 for a raised bed, and they have 4.
Why not show how you can dig out the path around the bed to use the
top soil to make the raised bed, keep the beds no more than 5ft wide
so you can work them without having to walk on the bed,
I'm sure that others here could go on adding to the faults
David Hill
Abacus Nurseries

More Humbugs!
I would love to know exactly how much money, time, manpower etc was
spent to get the garden from the quagmire it was at the beginning of
Feb to the lovely workable, weed-free soil they had at the end of
March. All those diggers etc and now look at it!
Toby suggested that our Councils might provide "free" compost. Just
try asking my council about that! They charge "the earth!!!"
How much did they spend on the building work?
Those growbags planted with lettuce seed were done in a ridiculous
place. Try moving a ready planted growbag off a paved area without
disturbing it!
The shed looks dreadful, the "sofa" area is a stupid idea.
I've learned nothing yet!


Pam in Bristol
Oh, well last week was not good. However, this week we got some informative
stuff.
Stop being a pedant..........learnt nothing?.......then don't bother
watching......you obviously know it all!
--
Pete C
London UK

"Dave Hill" wrote ...
Ba Humbug!
What a farce, pity they didn't get some veg growers to do the prog.
the team are not veg growers as could be seen by their advice and how
they were doing things.
As for the "New" garden, I wish I could throw money at a site as they
have done,
How much better to show how to do the different jobs without spending
a fortune, £200 for a raised bed, and they have 4.
Why not show how you can dig out the path around the bed to use the
top soil to make the raised bed, keep the beds no more than 5ft wide
so you can work them without having to walk on the bed,
I'm sure that others here could go on adding to the faults

What worries me is that a lot of novice veg growers watch the program and
think it's the best, most modern way, to do it and all us old folks are
doing it the outdated old fashioned way.
Raised beds being an example. A number of the new gardeners on our site
started off planting in small beds, raised or otherwise, before either
giving up a couple of seasons down the line or reverting to the old way of
growing without wasting half the plot with paths which have to be tended
too. At about £95 per plot it's too expensive to waste land.
Free manure/soil improver from your local Council.....yeh right!

May I suggest any novice veg growers subscribe to "The Kitchen Garden"
magazine which is well worth the money.

--
Regards
Bob Hobden
just W. of London

Bob Hobden wrote:
What worries me is that a lot of novice veg growers watch the program
and think it's the best, most modern way, to do it and all us old
folks are doing it the outdated old fashioned way.

Well I for one, am more interested in the experiences of people who do it,
'the old fashioned way'.

Raised beds being an example. A number of the new gardeners on our
site started off planting in small beds, raised or otherwise, before
either giving up a couple of seasons down the line or reverting to
the old way of growing without wasting half the plot with paths which
have to be tended too. At about £95 per plot it's too expensive to
waste land.

That is interesting because that is the way I intend to go. Mainly, I must
say, to be sure I can reach the plants as I get older. I know what it is to
be unable to bend properly. I already have metal knees and I am looking to
do the work in the easiest way possible.


Free manure/soil improver from your local Council.....yeh right!

May I suggest any novice veg growers subscribe to "The Kitchen Garden"
magazine which is well worth the money.

I shall do that very thing!

Thanks Bob.

In message , Bob Hobden
writes

"Dave Hill" wrote ...
Ba Humbug!
What a farce, pity they didn't get some veg growers to do the prog.
the team are not veg growers as could be seen by their advice and how
they were doing things.
As for the "New" garden, I wish I could throw money at a site as they
have done,
snip

May I suggest any novice veg growers subscribe to "The Kitchen Garden"
magazine which is well worth the money.

Thanks for the prompt. I meant to post this point before but, along with
my knees, my memory also seems to be on the way out! Any further
opinions on "The Kitchen Garden" mag would be welcome before I invest my
£36.00.

TIA.
--
Gopher .... I know my place!

Gopher wrote:
In message , Bob Hobden
writes

"Dave Hill" wrote ...
Ba Humbug!
What a farce, pity they didn't get some veg growers to do the prog.
the team are not veg growers as could be seen by their advice and how
they were doing things.
As for the "New" garden, I wish I could throw money at a site as they
have done,
snip

May I suggest any novice veg growers subscribe to "The Kitchen
Garden" magazine which is well worth the money.

Thanks for the prompt. I meant to post this point before but, along
with my knees, my memory also seems to be on the way out! Any further
opinions on "The Kitchen Garden" mag would be welcome before I invest
my £36.00.

I think I can pick them up from my local newsagent. Is it cheaper to have a
subscription?

Martin wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 09:44:03 +0100, "Ophelia"
wrote:

Bob Hobden wrote:
What worries me is that a lot of novice veg growers watch the
program and think it's the best, most modern way, to do it and all
us old folks are doing it the outdated old fashioned way.

Well I for one, am more interested in the experiences of people who
do it, 'the old fashioned way'.

Raised beds being an example. A number of the new gardeners on our
site started off planting in small beds, raised or otherwise, before
either giving up a couple of seasons down the line or reverting to
the old way of growing without wasting half the plot with paths
which have to be tended too. At about £95 per plot it's too
expensive to waste land.

That is interesting because that is the way I intend to go. Mainly,
I must say, to be sure I can reach the plants as I get older. I
know what it is to be unable to bend properly. I already have
metal knees and I am looking to do the work in the easiest way
possible.


Free manure/soil improver from your local Council.....yeh right!

May I suggest any novice veg growers subscribe to "The Kitchen
Garden" magazine which is well worth the money.

I shall do that very thing!

You can get an digital version cheap.
12 for £18.00 Cover Price : £30.00

Digital versions arrive much earlier than the paper versions. I
received the May edition of a boat magazine at the beginning of April.

Links to magazines

1) Organic Garden and Home (UK)
Buy Now:
http://links.zinio.com/rts/go.aspx?t...26&mg=44360287

2) Country Life International(UK)
Buy now:
http://links.zinio.com/rts/go.aspx?t...26&mg=44360287

3)Kitchen Garden(UK)
Buy now:
http://links.zinio.com/rts/go.aspx?t...26&mg=44360287


7)Vegetarian Times (US)
http://links.zinio.com/rts/go.aspx?t...26&mg=44360287

On the negative side you need a laptop to peruse them at your own
convenience.

Thanks for that, Martin. I do indeed have a laptop I might still buy the
Kitchen Garden magazine sometimes though, it's nice to curl up with

In message , Anne Welsh Jackson
writes
"Pete C" wrote:

Oh, well last week was not good. However, this week we got some
informative stuff.
Stop being a pedant..........learnt nothing?.......then don't bother
watching......you obviously know it all!

YOU may have "got some informative stuff", but then you're a beginner,
aren't you? There's a lot I don't know about gardening, but "Gardeners
World" isn't the place to enlighten me! This is a programme for novices!!
Which is all very well - but it isn't Gardeners World!!

You are being unfair, Anne. I learned that I can't afford a raised
bed.
And it was nice to see the kids playing happily with their grow bags.

The programme didn't tell me how to deal with an animal of some kind
which shifted a stone off the corrugated plastic which is protecting the
sugar snaps bed until they germinate, dug a hole 1ft diameter and 9"
deep.
It then crapped and vomited in and around the hole.
8-(
--
Gordon H
Remove "invalid" to reply

On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 23:19:56 +0100, "Pete C"
wrote:

Oh, well last week was not good. However, this week we got some informative
stuff.
Stop being a pedant..........learnt nothing?.......then don't bother
watching......you obviously know it all!

A real gardener NEVER knows it all, but hopes for something new from
each programme.

Pam in Bristol

Pam Moore wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 23:19:56 +0100, "Pete C"
wrote:

Oh, well last week was not good. However, this week we got some
informative stuff.
Stop being a pedant..........learnt nothing?.......then don't bother
watching......you obviously know it all!

A real gardener NEVER knows it all, but hopes for something new from
each programme.

Pam in Bristol
Oh, I 'do' so agree.
--
Pete C
London UK

In message , Anne Welsh Jackson
writes
Gordon H wrote:

You are being unfair, Anne. I learned that I can't afford a raised
bed.
And it was nice to see the kids playing happily with their grow bags.

Our new community gardens are being officially "handed over"
later this month. We're to be having loads of raised beds, which
will be funded by some body or other. Perhaps if you applied
to English Natural Heritage, or something... ;-)

LOL! I was referring to the "kids" who were on the patio in front of
the silly shed.

The programme didn't tell me how to deal with an animal of some kind
which shifted a stone off the corrugated plastic which is protecting the
sugar snaps bed until they germinate, dug a hole 1ft diameter and 9"
deep. It then crapped and vomited in and around the hole.
8-(

Oh, yuk!! You had a good look at the crap, I presume?
That might have told you which type of animal was the culprit...

I have seen it before, and suspect a big Tomcat.
It craps on my front lawn or next door's occasionally, after scratching
at the grass.
I haven't seen foxes in the garden for a year or more, but I don't check
the security camera recordings every day.
--
Gordon H
Remove "invalid" to reply