As a new reader of this NG, rather than launch in with lots of dumb
questions straight away maybe it is best I ask just one!

Is there a FAQ or similar repository of knowledge assosiated with this NG?

My first task is preparation for and planting of raspberries, loganberry
and a blackberry.

TIA

Bob

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from Bob Minchin contains these words:

As a new reader of this NG, rather than launch in with lots of dumb
questions straight away maybe it is best I ask just one!

Is there a FAQ or similar repository of knowledge assosiated with this NG?

My first task is preparation for and planting of raspberries, loganberry
and a blackberry.

TIA

Yup - tou should find one amongst the stuff you're downloading from.
Keep clear of flaming, advertising, cussing, and really, there's not a
lot you can do wrong.

Threads tend to drift off-topic - while this is not strictly encourages,
it isn't strictly dumped-on. (Just as well, or I'd be under a *LOAD*.

Ah.

Raspberries are thugs. Don't plant too many unless you're going to make
a business out of them. They will stand nicely in line for a year, and
next spring you'll find little canelets appearing all over the place. I
planted two canes last year, and the autumn-fruiting one has about
twenty new canes appearing round it, some of them nearly six feet away.

Now, I'm quite happy with that, as I was going to propagate them anyway,
but I expect at least as many again to appear later, so, be warned.
Growing them in raised beds might be an answer.

If you plant summer-fruiting ones, you will have to net them, or the
blackbirds will scoff the lot (or just peck them to pieces). For some
reason, they seem to leave autumn-fruiting ones alone.

However - they'll 'ave yer blackberries innit.

You'll need to net your blackberries. Even though we have hedges around
which are dripping with fruit, they covet my blackberries.

The favourite way is to train the runners/canes as they grow. Remember,
they fruit on the previous year's growth. To propagate (if you have the
courage and time) the tips of the canes will root if you let them rest
on the ground.

Loganberries? Very much as for blackberries. Try boysenberries and
Tayberries too.

--
Rusty
Growing old is mandatory; growing up is optional.
Direct reply to: horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co period uk

The message
from Bob Minchin contains these words:

As a new reader of this NG, rather than launch in with lots of dumb
questions straight away maybe it is best I ask just one!

Is there a FAQ or similar repository of knowledge assosiated with this NG?

I'll repost this to save you raking through the posts:

For detailed information on this newsgroup you are recommended to
read the charter for uk.rec.gardening at:

http://www.usenet.org.uk/uk.rec.gardening.html

There are a number of FAQ files (answers to Frequently Asked
Questions) which have been put together by the contributors
to this group and are available at:

http://www.tmac.clara.co.uk/urgring/urgfaqs.htm

If you are new to this group and have a particular question you
want to ask, do take a look at the FAQs first to see if your
question has been covered. The FAQs will usually give a more
comprehensive answer than is possible in a newsgroup article.

Now a little more information about the aims of uk.rec.gardening,
which we would ask you to read whether you are new to newsgroups
or an old hand. Note particularly the request not to post photographs.

Uk.rec.gardening is based in the British Isles for the discussion
of gardening within those islands. Some here are quite experienced
gardeners, others are (or were when they first joined urg) complete
beginners. It is an unmoderated self-help group and is not owned or
dominated by anyone.

If you are a newcomer (newbie) or a "lurker" (someone who reads but
has so far not posted anything), you are invited to introduce
yourself (though don't make it a reply to this thread - start a new
thread). Please do not feel any obligation to do this, but telling us
a little about yourself and, roughly, where you live, will help those
trying to answer your questions to give the best advice. Don't be
afraid of asking a question that you may fear is naive - remember,
we were all beginners once!

Sometimes people feel a little disappointed when they don't get an
answer to a question. There may be several reasons for this, the most
common ones being (1) no-one has the answer, (2) you didn't give a
clue in the subject header what your question was about, and (3) for
some reason the message did not get through. The best thing in the
last situation is to post the message once more. Urglers do try to
respond to new posters and no-one is deliberately ignored.

You may be puzzled by references to "urg" and "urglers". It's simply
an acronym and means this newsgroup and contributors to it!

Contributors from outside the British Isles are not discouraged but,
because this newsgroup is intended to help gardeners in the British
Isles, it should be remembered that all questions and answers should
relate to a climate similar to that found in the British Isles. We
thank you for your cooperation in this.

Here are one or two pointers to help you if you are not familiar with
newsgroups:

(1) NEVER post binaries (photographs or illustrations) in urg. They
will be cancelled automatically by the Usenet watchdogs! The reason
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(2) When you are replying to a message, it's a good idea to edit down
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(3) Think out what you want to say and try to make it as concise as
possible. A long message in a busy newsgroup runs the risk of losing the
attention of readers.

Thank you for reading this and we hope that you will find
uk.rec.gardening a very helpful forum.

--
Rusty
Growing old is mandatory; growing up is optional.
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Rusty_Hinge wrote:
The message
from Bob Minchin contains these words:

As a new reader of this NG, rather than launch in with lots of dumb
questions straight away maybe it is best I ask just one!

Is there a FAQ or similar repository of knowledge assosiated with this NG?

My first task is preparation for and planting of raspberries, loganberry
and a blackberry.

TIA

Yup - tou should find one amongst the stuff you're downloading from.
Keep clear of flaming, advertising, cussing, and really, there's not a
lot you can do wrong.

Threads tend to drift off-topic - while this is not strictly encourages,
it isn't strictly dumped-on. (Just as well, or I'd be under a *LOAD*.

Ah.

Raspberries are thugs. Don't plant too many unless you're going to make
a business out of them. They will stand nicely in line for a year, and
next spring you'll find little canelets appearing all over the place. I
planted two canes last year, and the autumn-fruiting one has about
twenty new canes appearing round it, some of them nearly six feet away.

Now, I'm quite happy with that, as I was going to propagate them anyway,
but I expect at least as many again to appear later, so, be warned.
Growing them in raised beds might be an answer.

If you plant summer-fruiting ones, you will have to net them, or the
blackbirds will scoff the lot (or just peck them to pieces). For some
reason, they seem to leave autumn-fruiting ones alone.

However - they'll 'ave yer blackberries innit.

You'll need to net your blackberries. Even though we have hedges around
which are dripping with fruit, they covet my blackberries.

The favourite way is to train the runners/canes as they grow. Remember,
they fruit on the previous year's growth. To propagate (if you have the
courage and time) the tips of the canes will root if you let them rest
on the ground.

Loganberries? Very much as for blackberries. Try boysenberries and
Tayberries too.

Thanks for both replies Rusty

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Rusty_Hinge wrote:

If you plant summer-fruiting ones, you will have to net them, or the
blackbirds will scoff the lot (or just peck them to pieces). For some
reason, they seem to leave autumn-fruiting ones alone.

However - they'll 'ave yer blackberries innit.

You'll need to net your blackberries. Even though we have hedges around
which are dripping with fruit, they covet my blackberries.

They don't take many of mine - last year, the rain did :-( But that
could be that the cats have taken almost all of the birds :-(

Loganberries? Very much as for blackberries. Try boysenberries and
Tayberries too.

And Japanese wineberries, and pretty well anything else of that form.
Most of the rubi cultivated for fruit have long shoots and tip in;
raspberries and a FEW blackberries are upright, sucker and don't
tip in.

My thornless blackberry is slightly more perennial, and its shoots
will live to 2-4 years. But, if there are enough young ones, then
it is best to cut out all of the old ones after they have fruited.
I don't think any 'woody' rubi fruit on the current year's shoots.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

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My thornless blackberry is slightly more perennial, and its shoots
will live to 2-4 years. But, if there are enough young ones, then
it is best to cut out all of the old ones after they have fruited.
I don't think any 'woody' rubi fruit on the current year's shoots.

My thorny blackberry does linger longer, but it gets dreadfully straggly
because it sends out laterals on the old wood, and these laterals do
fruit - but not as prolifically as second-year wood.

--
Rusty
Growing old is mandatory; growing up is optional.
Direct reply to: horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co period uk

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Rusty_Hinge wrote:
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from contains these words:

My thornless blackberry is slightly more perennial, and its shoots
will live to 2-4 years. But, if there are enough young ones, then
it is best to cut out all of the old ones after they have fruited.
I don't think any 'woody' rubi fruit on the current year's shoots.

My thorny blackberry does linger longer, but it gets dreadfully straggly
because it sends out laterals on the old wood, and these laterals do
fruit - but not as prolifically as second-year wood.

It's probably the same sib-species.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

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sib-species

That I like, brother or sister...

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Rusty
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