On 16 Apr 2008 11:12:28 GMT, wrote:

You could always have fun learning how to use a windows machine though
- asus eee is small, light and pretty. And very cheap.

.... but the Asus eee isn't a Windows machine is it?

I thought it was Linux based and comes with a broswer and email client
built in and Open Office I think. I did have a brief play with one but it
doesn't have a touch screen, moving the mouse pointer about with the
nipple was awful. How you drag 'n drop I don't know...

--
Cheers
Dave.

On 16 Apr 2008 11:12:28 GMT, wrote:

Mogga wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:49:21 +0100, Sacha
wrote:



Why mac?
You can pick up incredibly cheap laptops at [even] pc world these
days - or other online shops like microdirect.

I have an iMac as a desktop computer. It seems more sensible to stick to
that if I get a laptop?

Ahh. Yes I can see the logic in that. (Can you get a mac emulator for
windows?) You could always have fun learning how to use a windows
machine though - asus eee is small, light and pretty. And very cheap.

... but the Asus eee isn't a Windows machine is it? .... or is that
what you were saying?

The last linux machine we set up was a million times easier than
windows. And it's cheaper because you're not paying for a windows
licence.
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Ah fetch it yourself if you can't wait for delivery
http://www.freedeliveryuk.co.uk
http://www.holidayunder100.co.uk

On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 05:16:35 -0700 (PDT), "Cat(h)"
wrote:

On Apr 16, 10:45*am, Mogga wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:49:21 +0100, Sacha
wrote:



Why mac?
You can pick up incredibly cheap laptops at [even] *pc world these
days - or other online shops like microdirect.

I have an iMac as a desktop computer. *It seems more sensible to stick to
that if I get a laptop?

Ahh. Yes I can see the logic in that. (Can you get a mac emulator for
windows?) * You could always have fun learning how to use a windows
machine though - asus eee is small, light and pretty. And very cheap.
You only need a browser and email program and they'll do just fine.

I had a look at one of these, out of curiosity. They are impossibly
small to work on - keyboard impractical. Mind you, that's a relative
consideration when someone is willing to work with a blackberry type
thingie.

Cat(h)

Quite, compared to an iphone they're huge.

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Ah fetch it yourself if you can't wait for delivery
http://www.freedeliveryuk.co.uk
http://www.holidayunder100.co.uk

On Apr 16, 2:33*pm, Mogga wrote:
On 16 Apr 2008 11:12:28 GMT, wrote:





Mogga wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:49:21 +0100, Sacha
wrote:

Why mac?
You can pick up incredibly cheap laptops at [even] *pc world these
days - or other online shops like microdirect.

I have an iMac as a desktop computer. *It seems more sensible to stick to
that if I get a laptop?

Ahh. Yes I can see the logic in that. (Can you get a mac emulator for
windows?) * You could always have fun learning how to use a windows
machine though - asus eee is small, light and pretty. And very cheap.

... but the Asus eee isn't a Windows machine is it? *.... or is that
what you were saying?

The last linux machine we set up was a million times easier than
windows. *And it's cheaper because you're not paying for a windows
licence.
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- Show quoted text -

I can vouch for all the above. The other half is a microsoft hater,
and he has me half converted to Linux and OO. Half only, mind,
because I work in the real world, where mostly everyone is on windowsy
programmes, and it is just too complicated toing and froing from one
to the other.
At this stage, I'll say "dandelion", just to bring us back on
topic ;-)

Cat(h)

On 16/4/08 14:33, in article ,
"Mogga" wrote:

On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 05:16:35 -0700 (PDT), "Cat(h)"
wrote:

On Apr 16, 10:45*am, Mogga wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:49:21 +0100, Sacha
wrote:



Why mac?
You can pick up incredibly cheap laptops at [even] *pc world these
days - or other online shops like microdirect.

I have an iMac as a desktop computer. *It seems more sensible to stick to
that if I get a laptop?

Ahh. Yes I can see the logic in that. (Can you get a mac emulator for
windows?) * You could always have fun learning how to use a windows
machine though - asus eee is small, light and pretty. And very cheap.
You only need a browser and email program and they'll do just fine.

I had a look at one of these, out of curiosity. They are impossibly
small to work on - keyboard impractical. Mind you, that's a relative
consideration when someone is willing to work with a blackberry type
thingie.

Cat(h)

Quite, compared to an iphone they're huge.


This review says that but also says it's possible to download Windows onto
it and that they will be releasing a version with Windows on it.
http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/laptops/0,...93507-2,00.htm
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

Unless you have a lot of E-Mails to send/receive, or they are of a sensitive nature just use a cyber café, it saves lugging a laptop around.

On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 05:16:35 -0700 (PDT), Cat(h) wrote:

I had a look at one of these, out of curiosity. They are impossibly
small to work on - keyboard impractical.

Depends how you approach the keyboard. Certainly too small for touch
typing but probably all right for 2 or 4 finger "hunt & peck". Or you use
it like a Psion 3 or 5, cradled in the fingers of both hands and thumbs do
the typing.

I couldn't try that on the one I played with (in Toys 'R Us of all places)
as it was securly fixed to a plinth.

--
Cheers
Dave.

Sacha wrote:
If I went mad and bought an iPhone, could I use it in New Zealand to call
and email to UK? I'm assuming the answer must be a 'yes'!


Ok, I'm not going to get into an exchange on this as this is a nice
group but *personally* I think you've been ill advised.

The iPhones are fantastic. You may (and I sincerely doubt this) be able
to get a phone that does just as much technically, but the point is you
won't be able to use it. Anyone can pick up an iPhone and be a master of
it in 30 seconds - that's the apple genius.

Windows mobile is, well, windows so you're guaranteed to have a bad time
and blackberry's - who on earth thinks these are good??? I've got the
latest one for work and I loathe it. It's got the form and usability of
something from the 80s.

Now, about calling and emailing the UK, yes, you can. But watch with the
email and anything data related (web, itunes downloads) as you won't be
on the unlimited plan you're on in the UK and can get stung for HUGE
amounts of data charges.

But don't get one now anyway, the 3G one is out in June.

I'm friends with a lot of windows fanboys (and windows programmers) and
they all hated the iphone until they had a play. Now they all freely
admit it's superb.

On 16/4/08 17:16, in article ,
"Martin" wrote:

On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:15:47 +0100, Sacha wrote:

On 16/4/08 12:01, in article ,
"Martin" wrote:

On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 11:38:48 +0100, Sacha wrote:

On 16/4/08 10:45, in article ,
"Mogga" wrote:

On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:49:21 +0100, Sacha
wrote:



Why mac?
You can pick up incredibly cheap laptops at [even] pc world these
days - or other online shops like microdirect.

I have an iMac as a desktop computer. It seems more sensible to stick to
that if I get a laptop?

Ahh. Yes I can see the logic in that. (Can you get a mac emulator for
windows?) You could always have fun learning how to use a windows
machine though - asus eee is small, light and pretty. And very cheap.
You only need a browser and email program and they'll do just fine.

Thanks for that. I'll have a think about it. I used to have a pc but am
so Mac orientated now, I'd probably be struggling. I have until October to
decide or to win the pools - if only I did them. ;-)

You've been struggling with your Mac too )

So you want me to double my trouble? ;-))

I thought it would make life easier for us.

Well, excuse ME, Typo King! ;-)



--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

On 16/4/08 17:48, in article Wd6dncgScuhTsJvVnZ2dnUVZ8t2snZ2d@plusnet, "Tom"
wrote:

Sacha wrote:
If I went mad and bought an iPhone, could I use it in New Zealand to call
and email to UK? I'm assuming the answer must be a 'yes'!


Ok, I'm not going to get into an exchange on this as this is a nice
group but *personally* I think you've been ill advised.

The iPhones are fantastic. You may (and I sincerely doubt this) be able
to get a phone that does just as much technically, but the point is you
won't be able to use it. Anyone can pick up an iPhone and be a master of
it in 30 seconds - that's the apple genius.

Windows mobile is, well, windows so you're guaranteed to have a bad time
and blackberry's - who on earth thinks these are good??? I've got the
latest one for work and I loathe it. It's got the form and usability of
something from the 80s.

Now, about calling and emailing the UK, yes, you can. But watch with the
email and anything data related (web, itunes downloads) as you won't be
on the unlimited plan you're on in the UK and can get stung for HUGE
amounts of data charges.

But don't get one now anyway, the 3G one is out in June.

I'm friends with a lot of windows fanboys (and windows programmers) and
they all hated the iphone until they had a play. Now they all freely
admit it's superb.

Thanks, Tom. I think my best bet is to go and have look at it. I'm put off
a bit by tales of high O2 subs etc., because although I have a monthly plan
with Orange, I use my phone so rarely that I never use up all my allotted
time. If it wasn't for travelling, I'd have one of those phones that do
nothing but make calls and take calls. Occasionally, I take pics on mine
but I never play music or do any other of the 1001 things it can apparently
achieve. I think I'm of the generation that thinks it's rude to be talking
personal stuff in front of other people so my calls tend to be restricted to
"I'm ready you can pick me up now" or "What colour shirt did you say you
want?" if I'm shopping. I just don't do chat on a mobile. ;-)
OTOH, I could do what I did when sailing in the days before mobile phones
and simply ring or send emails when I find an internet café, or something!
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

On 16/4/08 19:10, in article ,
"Martin" wrote:

On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 19:00:31 +0100, Sacha wrote:

snip
You've been struggling with your Mac too )

So you want me to double my trouble? ;-))

I thought it would make life easier for us.

Well, excuse ME, Typo King! ;-)

LOL

Yes, I thought you'd enjoy that one!

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 19:06:22 +0100, Sacha wrote
(in article ):

On 16/4/08 17:48, in article Wd6dncgScuhTsJvVnZ2dnUVZ8t2snZ2d@plusnet, "Tom"
wrote:

Sacha wrote:
If I went mad and bought an iPhone, could I use it in New Zealand to call
and email to UK? I'm assuming the answer must be a 'yes'!


Ok, I'm not going to get into an exchange on this as this is a nice
group but *personally* I think you've been ill advised.

The iPhones are fantastic. You may (and I sincerely doubt this) be able
to get a phone that does just as much technically, but the point is you
won't be able to use it. Anyone can pick up an iPhone and be a master of
it in 30 seconds - that's the apple genius.

Windows mobile is, well, windows so you're guaranteed to have a bad time
and blackberry's - who on earth thinks these are good??? I've got the
latest one for work and I loathe it. It's got the form and usability of
something from the 80s.

Now, about calling and emailing the UK, yes, you can. But watch with the
email and anything data related (web, itunes downloads) as you won't be
on the unlimited plan you're on in the UK and can get stung for HUGE
amounts of data charges.

But don't get one now anyway, the 3G one is out in June.

I'm friends with a lot of windows fanboys (and windows programmers) and
they all hated the iphone until they had a play. Now they all freely
admit it's superb.

Thanks, Tom. I think my best bet is to go and have look at it. I'm put off
a bit by tales of high O2 subs etc., because although I have a monthly plan
with Orange, I use my phone so rarely that I never use up all my allotted
time. If it wasn't for travelling, I'd have one of those phones that do
nothing but make calls and take calls. Occasionally, I take pics on mine
but I never play music or do any other of the 1001 things it can apparently
achieve. I think I'm of the generation that thinks it's rude to be talking
personal stuff in front of other people so my calls tend to be restricted to
"I'm ready you can pick me up now" or "What colour shirt did you say you
want?" if I'm shopping. I just don't do chat on a mobile. ;-)
OTOH, I could do what I did when sailing in the days before mobile phones
and simply ring or send emails when I find an internet café, or something!


My son has one which I have played with and I think it's fantastic, and I
want, I want, I want! ... but I _am_ put off by the O2 sub. It isn't that
it's expensive for what it is, it's just that, like you, I only use my phone
occasionally and we now have pay as you go because it's cheaper. You can't
do that on an iPhone.

Presumably whatever you buy you need to make sure it has newsgroup access :-)
As far as the Asus Eee is concerned, I cannot think why you would want to put
Windows on it. Linux is good! If you don't like Open Office, you would be
able to download Neo Office which is also free and IMO nicer than Open
Office.

--
Sally in Shropshire, UK
Burne-Jones/William Morris window in Shropshire church with conservation
churchyard:
http://www.whitton-stmarys.org.uk

On 2008-04-16 17:48:15 +0100, Tom said:

Sacha wrote:
If I went mad and bought an iPhone, could I use it in New Zealand to call
and email to UK? I'm assuming the answer must be a 'yes'!


Ok, I'm not going to get into an exchange on this as this is a nice
group but *personally* I think you've been ill advised.

The iPhones are fantastic. You may (and I sincerely doubt this) be able
to get a phone that does just as much technically, but the point is you
won't be able to use it. Anyone can pick up an iPhone and be a master
of it in 30 seconds - that's the apple genius.

Windows mobile is, well, windows so you're guaranteed to have a bad
time and blackberry's - who on earth thinks these are good??? I've got
the latest one for work and I loathe it. It's got the form and
usability of something from the 80s.

Now, about calling and emailing the UK, yes, you can. But watch with
the email and anything data related (web, itunes downloads) as you
won't be on the unlimited plan you're on in the UK and can get stung
for HUGE amounts of data charges.

But don't get one now anyway, the 3G one is out in June.

I'm friends with a lot of windows fanboys (and windows programmers) and
they all hated the iphone until they had a play. Now they all freely
admit it's superb.

Unless you're happy with 2G and want to take advantage of today's £100
price cut...

http://www.trustedreviews.com/apple/...rice-To-169/p1

Thanks, Tom. I think my best bet is to go and have look at it. I'm put off
a bit by tales of high O2 subs etc., because although I have a monthly plan
with Orange, I use my phone so rarely that I never use up all my allotted
time. If it wasn't for travelling, I'd have one of those phones that do
nothing but make calls and take calls. Occasionally, I take pics on mine
but I never play music or do any other of the 1001 things it can apparently
achieve. I think I'm of the generation that thinks it's rude to be talking
personal stuff in front of other people so my calls tend to be restricted to
"I'm ready you can pick me up now" or "What colour shirt did you say you
want?" if I'm shopping. I just don't do chat on a mobile. ;-)
OTOH, I could do what I did when sailing in the days before mobile phones
and simply ring or send emails when I find an internet café, or something!

Hi, yes, I'm certainly no expert but the o2 rates seem good value - but
that's *only* if you use the telephone / internet / sms messages a lot.

Having unlimited data on the iphone plans is fantastic as you avoid the
punitive charges the other operators attach to their data rates, but
again - it's only good if you're doing a lot of internet browsing and
email.

I'm waiting for the 3g phone in June. But my boss and a few friends have
the current one and it's lovely. The web browsing is as nice as from
your home computer.

Cheers,

Tom

On 15 Apr, 22:49, Sacha wrote:
I have an iMac as a desktop computer. It seems more sensible to stick to
that if I get a laptop?

Or consider what you need it for and think about one of these:
http://eeepc.asus.com/global/product.htm

The 4G model is around £250. It uses a suer-friendly version of
Linux, and if you won't want it on return, you will probably be able
to sell it for very close to what you paid for it.