Our Camellia sasanqua Narumi-gata is just covered in flowers. It's scented
too - real bonus. I do recommend this one to anyone wanting an early
flowering one.

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

In article ,
says...
Our Camellia sasanqua Narumi-gata is just covered in flowers. It's scented
too - real bonus. I do recommend this one to anyone wanting an early
flowering one.


Are but is it early or late :~)
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea

On 10/12/07 11:40, in article
, "Charlie Pridham"
wrote:

In article ,
says...
Our Camellia sasanqua Narumi-gata is just covered in flowers. It's scented
too - real bonus. I do recommend this one to anyone wanting an early
flowering one.


Are but is it early or late :~)

Tchah! It's - early.....? ;-) Actually, this one's always early and
what a lovely thing it is, too.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

Chris Hogg wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:53:33 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

Our Camellia sasanqua Narumi-gata is just covered in flowers. It's scented
too - real bonus. I do recommend this one to anyone wanting an early
flowering one.

A friend of ours has one. Not sure if it's Narumi-gata, but certainly
c. sasanqua of some sort and judging by the seedlings that spring up
around it, it frequently sets viable seed.



I'm certainly going to give it a try. Is there anything else that
flowers this late/early?

On 10/12/07 18:42, in article ,
"Stuart Noble" wrote:

Chris Hogg wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:53:33 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

Our Camellia sasanqua Narumi-gata is just covered in flowers. It's scented
too - real bonus. I do recommend this one to anyone wanting an early
flowering one.

A friend of ours has one. Not sure if it's Narumi-gata, but certainly
c. sasanqua of some sort and judging by the seedlings that spring up
around it, it frequently sets viable seed.



I'm certainly going to give it a try. Is there anything else that
flowers this late/early?

If it helps, our Daphne bholua is in full bloom now.

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

On 10/12/07 18:12, in article ,
"Chris Hogg" wrote:

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:53:33 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

Our Camellia sasanqua Narumi-gata is just covered in flowers. It's scented
too - real bonus. I do recommend this one to anyone wanting an early
flowering one.

A friend of ours has one. Not sure if it's Narumi-gata, but certainly
c. sasanqua of some sort and judging by the seedlings that spring up
around it, it frequently sets viable seed.


Ours are still quite young - about three years old. We haven't seen them
set seed, though we'll certainly keep a look out for that. Because I've
known it in the past, though not in my own garden, I particularly wanted
one. Do you know the age of the one your friend has? I believe C. sasanqua
are among the earliest to flower but we have C. japonica Takanini which
flowered in autumn last year and just went on and on. It hasn't flowered
this year yet, or hadn't a few days ago before I got flu-bound. Tomorrow
I'll go and inspect it! We had two extremely small plants, real babies -
but they were smothered in deep red flowers - if it lives up to that promise
it's a really good one.
I really do love Camellias, though I wish their lives were longer. However,
there's a great bonus to be had in growing other things up and through them.
Towards the latter half of this summer we had a Clematis 'Polish Spirit' (I
think!) doing just that and it formed the most lovely swags of purple blooms
through a couple of Camellias and a yew behind them. It really does pay to
let the garden run a bit mad and sort itself out sometimes and then these
happy accidents occur that one can only stand back and marvel at and rejoice
in.

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

Sacha wrote:
On 10/12/07 18:42, in article ,
"Stuart Noble" wrote:

Chris Hogg wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:53:33 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

Our Camellia sasanqua Narumi-gata is just covered in flowers. It's scented
too - real bonus. I do recommend this one to anyone wanting an early
flowering one.
A friend of ours has one. Not sure if it's Narumi-gata, but certainly
c. sasanqua of some sort and judging by the seedlings that spring up
around it, it frequently sets viable seed.


I'm certainly going to give it a try. Is there anything else that
flowers this late/early?

If it helps, our Daphne bholua is in full bloom now.


Many thanks. Having a small front garden in a built up area I like to
rotate pots and tubs so there's always something to brighten the place up.

Sacha wrote:
On 10/12/07 18:12, in article ,
"Chris Hogg" wrote:

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:53:33 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

Our Camellia sasanqua Narumi-gata is just covered in flowers. It's scented
too - real bonus. I do recommend this one to anyone wanting an early
flowering one.
A friend of ours has one. Not sure if it's Narumi-gata, but certainly
c. sasanqua of some sort and judging by the seedlings that spring up
around it, it frequently sets viable seed.


Ours are still quite young - about three years old. We haven't seen them
set seed, though we'll certainly keep a look out for that. Because I've
known it in the past, though not in my own garden, I particularly wanted
one. Do you know the age of the one your friend has? I believe C. sasanqua
are among the earliest to flower but we have C. japonica Takanini which
flowered in autumn last year and just went on and on. It hasn't flowered
this year yet, or hadn't a few days ago before I got flu-bound. Tomorrow
I'll go and inspect it! We had two extremely small plants, real babies -
but they were smothered in deep red flowers - if it lives up to that promise
it's a really good one.
I really do love Camellias, though I wish their lives were longer. However,
there's a great bonus to be had in growing other things up and through them.
Towards the latter half of this summer we had a Clematis 'Polish Spirit' (I
think!) doing just that and it formed the most lovely swags of purple blooms
through a couple of Camellias and a yew behind them. It really does pay to
let the garden run a bit mad and sort itself out sometimes and then these
happy accidents occur that one can only stand back and marvel at and rejoice
in.


What puzzles me about the garden trade is that there isn't a load of
Camellia sasanquas on the front step at every garden centre. Surely
they'd make a killing at this time of year. Maybe people are just not in
gardening mode in December.

On 10/12/07 19:47, in article ,
"Stuart Noble" wrote:

Sacha wrote:
On 10/12/07 18:42, in article ,
"Stuart Noble" wrote:

Chris Hogg wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:53:33 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

Our Camellia sasanqua Narumi-gata is just covered in flowers. It's scented
too - real bonus. I do recommend this one to anyone wanting an early
flowering one.
A friend of ours has one. Not sure if it's Narumi-gata, but certainly
c. sasanqua of some sort and judging by the seedlings that spring up
around it, it frequently sets viable seed.


I'm certainly going to give it a try. Is there anything else that
flowers this late/early?

If it helps, our Daphne bholua is in full bloom now.


Many thanks. Having a small front garden in a built up area I like to
rotate pots and tubs so there's always something to brighten the place up.

Wouldn't recommend D. bholua for a tub or a small garden. Admittedly, we're
'down south' but ours is at least 12' tall and about as much wide. I would
most certainly suggest you grow Sarcococca for scent in winter. It grows to
around 4'tall and wide and while the flower are tiny and almost
insignificant, one sprig of it in a warm room will perfume the whole house.
In this garden it's a hedge in one part and it perfume the whole of that
area. I really can't recommend it highly enough for winter perfume and a
not overpowering size.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

On 10/12/07 20:00, in article ,
"Stuart Noble" wrote:

Sacha wrote:
On 10/12/07 18:12, in article ,
"Chris Hogg" wrote:

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:53:33 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

Our Camellia sasanqua Narumi-gata is just covered in flowers. It's scented
too - real bonus. I do recommend this one to anyone wanting an early
flowering one.
A friend of ours has one. Not sure if it's Narumi-gata, but certainly
c. sasanqua of some sort and judging by the seedlings that spring up
around it, it frequently sets viable seed.


Ours are still quite young - about three years old. We haven't seen them
set seed, though we'll certainly keep a look out for that. Because I've
known it in the past, though not in my own garden, I particularly wanted
one. Do you know the age of the one your friend has? I believe C. sasanqua
are among the earliest to flower but we have C. japonica Takanini which
flowered in autumn last year and just went on and on. It hasn't flowered
this year yet, or hadn't a few days ago before I got flu-bound. Tomorrow
I'll go and inspect it! We had two extremely small plants, real babies -
but they were smothered in deep red flowers - if it lives up to that promise
it's a really good one.
I really do love Camellias, though I wish their lives were longer. However,
there's a great bonus to be had in growing other things up and through them.
Towards the latter half of this summer we had a Clematis 'Polish Spirit' (I
think!) doing just that and it formed the most lovely swags of purple blooms
through a couple of Camellias and a yew behind them. It really does pay to
let the garden run a bit mad and sort itself out sometimes and then these
happy accidents occur that one can only stand back and marvel at and rejoice
in.


What puzzles me about the garden trade is that there isn't a load of
Camellia sasanquas on the front step at every garden centre. Surely
they'd make a killing at this time of year. Maybe people are just not in
gardening mode in December.


I think, to be honest, that Camellias are not every gc's cup of tea.
They're a bit special, a bit demanding in that they take up room but don't
produce flowers all the time. They're not difficult as such, but they're
not - perhaps - plants for people with limited space who want something that
flowers for a long period. Because I love them, I think I'd try always to
make room for a Camellia in any garden but to be fair, if I had a really
small garden, it might not earn its keep.

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

On 10/12/07 21:27, in article ,
"Chris Hogg" wrote:

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:40:12 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

On 10/12/07 18:12, in article ,
"Chris Hogg" wrote:

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:53:33 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

Our Camellia sasanqua Narumi-gata is just covered in flowers. It's scented
too - real bonus. I do recommend this one to anyone wanting an early
flowering one.

A friend of ours has one. Not sure if it's Narumi-gata, but certainly
c. sasanqua of some sort and judging by the seedlings that spring up
around it, it frequently sets viable seed.


Ours are still quite young - about three years old. We haven't seen them
set seed, though we'll certainly keep a look out for that. Because I've
known it in the past, though not in my own garden, I particularly wanted
one. Do you know the age of the one your friend has?

Don't know it's age, but a two or three decades at least I should say.
10 - 12 ft high.

I'm 61 - give me a break!


I believe C. sasanqua
are among the earliest to flower but we have C. japonica Takanini which
flowered in autumn last year and just went on and on. It hasn't flowered
this year yet, or hadn't a few days ago before I got flu-bound. Tomorrow
I'll go and inspect it! We had two extremely small plants, real babies -
but they were smothered in deep red flowers - if it lives up to that promise
it's a really good one.

My mother, at St. Ives, has 'High Hat' (C.japonica, light pink, large
peony-form flowers), which has been in flower since mid November. It's
always early, but this year is earlier than usual.

I don't know that one so I'll ask my husband if he does. It sounds lovely.

I really do love Camellias, though I wish their lives were longer.

I take it you mean flowering season!

Sorry, yes! Very short-sighted of me. ;-) In those terms, and entirely
through my own fault, I think I should reassure others reading this who
don't know Camellias well that IME they go on for many, many decades. We
have one in this garden that is at least 50 years old (unidentified) and in
a Jersey garden I know an entire walk of them that is over 40 years old,
minimum. On longevity grounds, do not hesitate to plant Camellias!

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

In article ,
says...
Sacha wrote:
On 10/12/07 18:12, in article ,
"Chris Hogg" wrote:

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:53:33 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

Our Camellia sasanqua Narumi-gata is just covered in flowers. It's scented
too - real bonus. I do recommend this one to anyone wanting an early
flowering one.
A friend of ours has one. Not sure if it's Narumi-gata, but certainly
c. sasanqua of some sort and judging by the seedlings that spring up
around it, it frequently sets viable seed.


Ours are still quite young - about three years old. We haven't seen them
set seed, though we'll certainly keep a look out for that. Because I've
known it in the past, though not in my own garden, I particularly wanted
one. Do you know the age of the one your friend has? I believe C. sasanqua
are among the earliest to flower but we have C. japonica Takanini which
flowered in autumn last year and just went on and on. It hasn't flowered
this year yet, or hadn't a few days ago before I got flu-bound. Tomorrow
I'll go and inspect it! We had two extremely small plants, real babies -
but they were smothered in deep red flowers - if it lives up to that promise
it's a really good one.
I really do love Camellias, though I wish their lives were longer. However,
there's a great bonus to be had in growing other things up and through them.
Towards the latter half of this summer we had a Clematis 'Polish Spirit' (I
think!) doing just that and it formed the most lovely swags of purple blooms
through a couple of Camellias and a yew behind them. It really does pay to
let the garden run a bit mad and sort itself out sometimes and then these
happy accidents occur that one can only stand back and marvel at and rejoice
in.


What puzzles me about the garden trade is that there isn't a load of
Camellia sasanquas on the front step at every garden centre. Surely
they'd make a killing at this time of year. Maybe people are just not in
gardening mode in December.

THere is some truth in that statement, goodness knows how many times
people get told its an ok time to plant!
Camellia sasanquas is not as hardy as the japonica's and williamsii
crosses so would be at risk in normal winters
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea

Sacha wrote:
On 10/12/07 20:00, in article ,
"Stuart Noble" wrote:

Sacha wrote:
On 10/12/07 18:12, in article ,
"Chris Hogg" wrote:

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:53:33 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

Our Camellia sasanqua Narumi-gata is just covered in flowers. It's scented
too - real bonus. I do recommend this one to anyone wanting an early
flowering one.
A friend of ours has one. Not sure if it's Narumi-gata, but certainly
c. sasanqua of some sort and judging by the seedlings that spring up
around it, it frequently sets viable seed.

Ours are still quite young - about three years old. We haven't seen them
set seed, though we'll certainly keep a look out for that. Because I've
known it in the past, though not in my own garden, I particularly wanted
one. Do you know the age of the one your friend has? I believe C. sasanqua
are among the earliest to flower but we have C. japonica Takanini which
flowered in autumn last year and just went on and on. It hasn't flowered
this year yet, or hadn't a few days ago before I got flu-bound. Tomorrow
I'll go and inspect it! We had two extremely small plants, real babies -
but they were smothered in deep red flowers - if it lives up to that promise
it's a really good one.
I really do love Camellias, though I wish their lives were longer. However,
there's a great bonus to be had in growing other things up and through them.
Towards the latter half of this summer we had a Clematis 'Polish Spirit' (I
think!) doing just that and it formed the most lovely swags of purple blooms
through a couple of Camellias and a yew behind them. It really does pay to
let the garden run a bit mad and sort itself out sometimes and then these
happy accidents occur that one can only stand back and marvel at and rejoice
in.

What puzzles me about the garden trade is that there isn't a load of
Camellia sasanquas on the front step at every garden centre. Surely
they'd make a killing at this time of year. Maybe people are just not in
gardening mode in December.


I think, to be honest, that Camellias are not every gc's cup of tea.
They're a bit special, a bit demanding in that they take up room but don't
produce flowers all the time. They're not difficult as such, but they're
not - perhaps - plants for people with limited space who want something that
flowers for a long period. Because I love them, I think I'd try always to
make room for a Camellia in any garden but to be fair, if I had a really
small garden, it might not earn its keep.


We've got a bit more space at the back of the house but I like to move
things out front as they come into flower. I even have sunken holes in
the paving to take the pots (they blow over otherwise).

What puzzles me about the garden trade is that there isn't a load of
Camellia sasanquas on the front step at every garden centre. Surely
they'd make a killing at this time of year. Maybe people are just not in
gardening mode in December.

THere is some truth in that statement, goodness knows how many times
people get told its an ok time to plant!

But it would be ok to leave them outdoors in their pots presumably? I
suppose garden centres just can't take the risk of a sudden cold snap.
Seems a shame that I'm not likely to see a sasanqua for sale while it's
actually in flower (and I'm much more likely to buy it).