On 30/11/07 17:13, in article , "Janet
Tweedy" wrote:

In article , Charlie
Pridham writes

Whoever is offering the money is
quite safe because neither I nor my then physics teacher could explain
why it happens


I don't personally know how my car engine works nor the electrical
system but I would still use it to go to Waitrose

No but 'somebody' does and that's the point for the sceptics. Those of us
who know these things work can't explain them, therefore we're deluded,
poor, unscientific ignorami. I can live with that - have done for more than
30 years. ;-)

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

On Nov 30, 4:44 pm, Charlie Pridham
wrote:
In article ,
says...

Charlie Pridham wrote:

Let me know when you're ready to undergo the dowsing test. I'll split
the winnings with you - $999,999 to you and $1 to me. Sounds fair ?

In the hard world of small businesses its hard to see why water bore hole
companies would keep dowsers on their books if there was nothing in it,
and down here they all do, whether it also works with all the other
things claimed for it I do not know, but if you want to try a method to
prove it, 2 plastic Biro tubes, each with a bit of metal coat hanger in
that has been bent to 90 degrees, hold one in each hand tuck you elbows
in tight and walk slowly, we did this in physics at school and out of 30
of us only one did not get a reaction to the water in one of 10 sealed
containers, its difficult to see how you could make the wires spin
yourself. thats good enough for me. Whoever is offering the money is
quite safe because neither I nor my then physics teacher could explain
why it happens.

Excellent! There's no need to explain why it happens. You just
need to successfully pass a very simple test; no need for any
simple or complicated explanations.

So, Charlie, tell me when you're ready for the test. Since my
fees are going up with each new applicant, I'll split the winnings
with you - $999,998 to you and $2 to me. Unless Sacha beats you
to the cool million ... quick, time's running out.

So you can explain gravity?
Not everthing in science can be explained, I do not need to do it again,
I am satisfied it works, I was suggestion YOU have a go, if nothing
happens you can carry on being sceptical until then I win.
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwallwww.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea

I do not disbelieve in dowsing because I cannot explain it;
I do not believe it because I do not believe the claims that are made;
People employ dowsers for the same reason that "indians" did rain
dances.

I can live with that - have done for more than
30 years. ;-)

--
Sacha

?

How 'MUCH' more?



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On 30/11/07 17:16, in article , "Janet
Tweedy" wrote:

In article , Sacha
writes

A member of our family has just completed the
post-graduate Tisserand course and is going on to do further training. It's
a meticulously careful training and it benefits a great number of people.
But it's not compulsory, so I never do understand why people get in such a
state about it!


On a slightly different tack but using lavender oil as a link to
gardening. I was very disappointed to see that Tisserands pure oil for
the bath STILL has Sodium lauryl/laurel sulphate in it's ingredients.
That's the one thing, sometimes called SLS that irritates my skin making
it feel like sunburn (it's an ingredient for cleaning garage floors of
oil)
Shame as I love lavender oil, so I use dried lavender instead but the
bits floating around the bath aren't actually calming

I'll ask the one who knows about that, Janet and pass it on. I have the
little phials of lavender with a roller ball and I keep one in my bag and
one by the bed. I find them wonderful for headaches or stuffy sinuses and
luckily, don't get that reaction. Have you tried drying Lippia citrodora
(now Aloysia triphylla) and using the leaves in the bath or in the linen
cupboard?
My very favourite bath stuff is Olverum. It's hideously expensive but it
smells like heaven and is wonderfully relaxing. A few sachets of that for a
Christmas present, or a little bottle would be gorgeous.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

"Des Higgins" wrote in message
...
On Nov 30, 4:44 pm, Charlie Pridham
wrote:
In article ,
says...

Charlie Pridham wrote:

Let me know when you're ready to undergo the dowsing test. I'll
split
the winnings with you - $999,999 to you and $1 to me. Sounds fair ?

In the hard world of small businesses its hard to see why water bore
hole
companies would keep dowsers on their books if there was nothing in
it,
and down here they all do, whether it also works with all the other
things claimed for it I do not know, but if you want to try a method
to
prove it, 2 plastic Biro tubes, each with a bit of metal coat hanger
in
that has been bent to 90 degrees, hold one in each hand tuck you
elbows
in tight and walk slowly, we did this in physics at school and out of
30
of us only one did not get a reaction to the water in one of 10
sealed
containers, its difficult to see how you could make the wires spin
yourself. thats good enough for me. Whoever is offering the money is
quite safe because neither I nor my then physics teacher could
explain
why it happens.

Excellent! There's no need to explain why it happens. You just
need to successfully pass a very simple test; no need for any
simple or complicated explanations.

So, Charlie, tell me when you're ready for the test. Since my
fees are going up with each new applicant, I'll split the winnings
with you - $999,998 to you and $2 to me. Unless Sacha beats you
to the cool million ... quick, time's running out.

So you can explain gravity?
Not everthing in science can be explained, I do not need to do it again,
I am satisfied it works, I was suggestion YOU have a go, if nothing
happens you can carry on being sceptical until then I win.
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwallwww.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea

I do not disbelieve in dowsing because I cannot explain it;
I do not believe it because I do not believe the claims that are made;
People employ dowsers for the same reason that "indians" did rain
dances.


Indians who did rain dances 'knew' when the rains were coming. In the same
way as I get ready for the traffic lights to change because I 'know the
pattern' of them.

If you are a driver, think about it :-))

Kindest possible regards

Mike


--
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www.rneba.org.uk. The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association.
'THE' Association to find your ex-Greenie mess mates.
www.iowtours.com for all ex-Service Reunions. More being added regularly
"Navy Days" Portsmouth 25th - 27th July 2008. RN Shipmates will be there.

Des Higgins wrote:

I do not disbelieve in dowsing because I cannot explain it;
I do not believe it because I do not believe the claims that are made;
People employ dowsers for the same reason that "indians" did rain
dances.

In steps Des Higgins; anyone would think he's a scientist ;-)

Hi Des :-)

On 30/11/07 17:28, in article
, "Des
Higgins" wrote:

snip I do not disbelieve in dowsing because I cannot explain it;
I do not believe it because I do not believe the claims that are made;
People employ dowsers for the same reason that "indians" did rain
dances.


That does make me grin a bit. Several years ago I went to stay with friends
in Vancouver one summer and one weekend it just chucked it down - stair rods
weren't in it! My friend said to me "There's a pow wow on this w/e, would
you like to go?" So we did and it was *fantastic*. I've never seen or
heard such abandoned singing, dancing and ululation - but it was indoors
because of the rain....
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

Charlie Pridham wrote:

So you can explain gravity?
Not everthing in science can be explained, I do not need to do it again,
I am satisfied it works, I was suggestion YOU have a go, if nothing
happens you can carry on being sceptical until then I win.

Here's the rub, Charlie and Sacha. I *have* experienced the ideomotor
effect with dowsing rods. But it wasn't water (or gold, or uranium)
that caused them to twitch. Getting the idea ?

So I'll repeat just in case you might have missed the offer earlier:

Excellent! There's no need to explain why it happens. You just
need to successfully pass a very simple test; no need for any
simple or complicated explanations.

So, Charlie, tell me when you're ready for the test. Since my
fees are going up with each new applicant, I'll split the winnings
with you - $999,998 to you and $2 to me. Unless Sacha beats you
to the cool million ... quick, time's running out.

Charlie, are you ready to take the test? I'm sure that you must
feel 100% confident that you'll pass the test. $999,998 to you
and $2 to me :-)

By the way, to help your planning for the test, you might like
to watch James Randi's tests of 100%-confident Australian dowsers
he

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...996034&q=randi

Hilarious :-))

On 30/11/07 17:48, in article ,
"Jennifer Sparkes" wrote:

The message
from Charlie Pridham contains these words:

In the hard world of small businesses its hard to see why water bore hole
companies would keep dowsers on their books if there was nothing in it,
and down here they all do, .....
big snip

Edward and tried when we lived in Kent and found we both could dowse.

It happened when the mains drainage system for the village was being done
The waterboard/whoever had a fellow going to each house dowsing to check
where the pipes to the cess pit went. He and Edward got talking and asked if
he wanted to try - of course he did!!! Then so did I ...

A lot of people can dowse though they don't know it, I was very sceptical ...

Jennifer - sorry not quite aromatherapy!!!

Well, not the cesspit bit, anyway. ;-) Lots of people can dowse but they
just haven't tried. It's lovely to see the surprise and delight when they
discover they can do it.

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

On 30/11/07 17:57, in article ,
"R.A.Omond" wrote:

Des Higgins wrote:

I do not disbelieve in dowsing because I cannot explain it;
I do not believe it because I do not believe the claims that are made;
People employ dowsers for the same reason that "indians" did rain
dances.

In steps Des Higgins; anyone would think he's a scientist ;-)

Hi Des :-)

I don't think Indians dug wells costing thousands of pounds following a bit
of a hop round the campfire.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

Janet Tweedy writes
In article , Sacha
writes

A member of our family has just completed the
post-graduate Tisserand course and is going on to do further training. It's
a meticulously careful training and it benefits a great number of people.
But it's not compulsory, so I never do understand why people get in such a
state about it!


On a slightly different tack but using lavender oil as a link to
gardening. I was very disappointed to see that Tisserands pure oil for
the bath STILL has Sodium lauryl/laurel sulphate in it's ingredients.
That's the one thing, sometimes called SLS that irritates my skin
making it feel like sunburn (it's an ingredient for cleaning garage
floors of oil)
Shame as I love lavender oil, so I use dried lavender instead but the
bits floating around the bath aren't actually calming

Can't you pt them in a cotton bag? Hang it under the tap while you run
the bath, get the benefits of the lavender without the bits. Sort of tea
bag for baths.
--
Kay

On 30/11/07 18:06, in article ,
"R.A.Omond" wrote:

Charlie Pridham wrote:

So you can explain gravity?
Not everthing in science can be explained, I do not need to do it again,
I am satisfied it works, I was suggestion YOU have a go, if nothing
happens you can carry on being sceptical until then I win.

Here's the rub, Charlie and Sacha. I *have* experienced the ideomotor
effect with dowsing rods. But it wasn't water (or gold, or uranium)
that caused them to twitch. Getting the idea ?

Yes, you aren't a dowser.

So I'll repeat just in case you might have missed the offer earlier:

Excellent! There's no need to explain why it happens. You just
need to successfully pass a very simple test; no need for any
simple or complicated explanations.

So, Charlie, tell me when you're ready for the test. Since my
fees are going up with each new applicant, I'll split the winnings
with you - $999,998 to you and $2 to me. Unless Sacha beats you
to the cool million ... quick, time's running out.

Charlie, are you ready to take the test? I'm sure that you must
feel 100% confident that you'll pass the test. $999,998 to you
and $2 to me :-)

By the way, to help your planning for the test, you might like
to watch James Randi's tests of 100%-confident Australian dowsers
he

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...996034&q=randi

Hilarious :-))

Do you know, I would think all those dowsers paid to find water by well
drillers must have collectively saved the drillers and the owners far more
than a paltry million dollars. Doesn't he ever change his offer against the
pound?

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

On 30/11/07 18:06, in article ,
"R.A.Omond" wrote:

Charlie Pridham wrote:

So you can explain gravity?
Not everthing in science can be explained, I do not need to do it again,
I am satisfied it works, I was suggestion YOU have a go, if nothing
happens you can carry on being sceptical until then I win.

Here's the rub, Charlie and Sacha. I *have* experienced the ideomotor
effect with dowsing rods. But it wasn't water (or gold, or uranium)
that caused them to twitch. Getting the idea ?

So I'll repeat just in case you might have missed the offer earlier:

Excellent! There's no need to explain why it happens. You just
need to successfully pass a very simple test; no need for any
simple or complicated explanations.

So, Charlie, tell me when you're ready for the test. Since my
fees are going up with each new applicant, I'll split the winnings
with you - $999,998 to you and $2 to me. Unless Sacha beats you
to the cool million ... quick, time's running out.

Charlie, are you ready to take the test? I'm sure that you must
feel 100% confident that you'll pass the test. $999,998 to you
and $2 to me :-)

By the way, to help your planning for the test, you might like
to watch James Randi's tests of 100%-confident Australian dowsers
he

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...996034&q=randi

Hilarious :-))

And of course, there is another side to the story. Randi is not *quite* the
last word on the matter. The following is a very short quote from a long
article about Randi's activities on the following site:
http://www.skepticalinvestigations.o...cott_Randi.htm

"Before I began this modest online research project for a rainy afternoon, I
had mixed feelings about Randi. I saw him as closed-minded and supercilious,
but I also assumed he was sincere and, by his own lights, honest. Now,
having explored his contribution to the Targ-Puthoff controversy in some
detail, I am thoroughly unimpressed. Randi comes across as a bullying
figure, eager to attack and ridicule, willing to distort and even invent
evidence - in short, the sort of person who will do anything to prevail in a
debate, whether by fair means or foul.

The title of his book thus takes on a new and unintended meaning. From what
I can tell, James Randi really is the Flim-Flam man.

NOTE: James Randi responded to this article, and Micheal Prescott then
responded to James Randi. To read this ongoing controversy, see
http://michaelprescott.freeservers.com/FlimFlam.htm
Michael Prescott is a New York Times bestselling author. His published works
include: Comes the Dark, Stealing Faces, The Shadow Hunter, Last Breath,
Next Victim and In Dark Places. His latest book is Dangerous Games
More on James Randi
James Randi Biography
The Randi Prize The Challenge
The $1M Challenge So What?
Randi's Dishonest Claims The Research That Never Was
Ted Dace reports on the Amazing 3 Conference Skeptical of the Skeptics

Website www.randi.org "

By all means read the follow ups. I do not believe Randi to be objective.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

"Sacha" wrote in message
. uk...
On 30/11/07 17:57, in article ,
"R.A.Omond" wrote:

Des Higgins wrote:

I do not disbelieve in dowsing because I cannot explain it;
I do not believe it because I do not believe the claims that are made;
People employ dowsers for the same reason that "indians" did rain
dances.

In steps Des Higgins; anyone would think he's a scientist ;-)

Hi Des :-)

I don't think Indians dug wells costing thousands of pounds following a
bit
of a hop round the campfire.
--
Sacha


:-((

Another point missed :-(

Mike


--
www.rnshipmates.co.uk for ALL Royal Navy Association matters
www.rneba.org.uk. The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association.
'THE' Association to find your ex-Greenie mess mates.
www.iowtours.com for all ex-Service Reunions. More being added regularly
"Navy Days" Portsmouth 25th - 27th July 2008. RN Shipmates will be there.

In article ,
says...
Charlie Pridham wrote:

So you can explain gravity?
Not everthing in science can be explained, I do not need to do it again,
I am satisfied it works, I was suggestion YOU have a go, if nothing
happens you can carry on being sceptical until then I win.

Here's the rub, Charlie and Sacha. I *have* experienced the ideomotor
effect with dowsing rods. But it wasn't water (or gold, or uranium)
that caused them to twitch. Getting the idea ?

So I'll repeat just in case you might have missed the offer earlier:

Excellent! There's no need to explain why it happens. You just
need to successfully pass a very simple test; no need for any
simple or complicated explanations.

So, Charlie, tell me when you're ready for the test. Since my
fees are going up with each new applicant, I'll split the winnings
with you - $999,998 to you and $2 to me. Unless Sacha beats you
to the cool million ... quick, time's running out.

Charlie, are you ready to take the test? I'm sure that you must
feel 100% confident that you'll pass the test. $999,998 to you
and $2 to me :-)

By the way, to help your planning for the test, you might like
to watch James Randi's tests of 100%-confident Australian dowsers
he

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...996034&q=randi

Hilarious :-))

Where is the test, what is the test, who is putting up the money? you
have not told us, if its not you, you are being very free with someone
else cash, and in any case why should I believe anything you say - you do
not after all believe me.
I personally couldn't not care less whether you believe it or not. and
since it has very little to do with gardening I am not interested in
prolonging this. I am quite happy for you to be right, but it still works
for me. Since I have never shown this to anyone or taken money for doing
I can not see why it should bother you.
And you still have not explained why newtons apple fell to the ground,
perhaps there is a prize for that too?
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea