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I am trying to identify a perrenial.
It has most of the characteristics of a hardy geranium, but
having checked specialist growers I do not recognise it there.
The flowers are blue/purple, the plant ~ 6" tall x ~9-12" wide
initially, and the flowers are not of the cranesbill type.
I have seen it growing wild on the coast.
Any suggestions?

It's a bit on the small size, but is it a Common Mallow (Malva
sylvestris)? The native(ish) form has pale red to rose to lilac
flowers, but the Mediterranean form has magenta flowers, and
might be found as an escape.

The leaves of mallows and geraniums can look very similar; it
took me a few years to train myself to tell them apart, and
that's assuming I don't come across anything exotic. The
distinguishing mark of mallows (including hibiscuses, abutilons
and the like) is the fusion of the filaments of the stamens into
a column enclosing the style, generally with the free portion of
the filaments and the anthers clustered at the top of the
column.

Possibly.
I saw a blue geranium on the banks of The Tyne today, so perhaps
it was that after all.

The wild blue-flowered species are Geranium pratense (Meadow
Cranesbill) and Geranium sylvaticum (Wood Cranesbill). But you
would have found these in Keble-Martin. (I photographed one of
these as Allenback back in 2000.) There are other blue-flowered
forms among the cultivars and exotics, such as Geranium 'Johnson's
Blue', Geranium wallichianum 'Buxton's Variety' and Geranium
renardii (rather purplish)

When you said that the flowers were not of the cranesbill type, I
assumed you meant a difference other than colour.

I did, but I cannot come up with anything else of that habit in my
search. I am still not convinced that I have spotted anything with
an intense enough blue to suggest I've found what I'm looking for. I
gave my daughter my big illustrated book of plants and people are
beginning to worry about this strange old geezer peering into their
gardens. Google has not come up with a search I can do by: colour,
flower size, plant size, location etc. --
Jim S
Tyneside UK
http://www.jimscott.co.uk
You said near the coast, most obvious blue flower there is sheep bit
scabious, but the flowers are nothing like geranium! then there are
sea asters, various campanulas, vinca minor and chicory, this year it
would be difficult to work on flowering periods as everything seems to
be early.

But, if I'm not mistaken, none of these have foliage that looks
anything like a geranium either.

Never said anything about foliage.
I might be wrong, but all I said was that the size and shape of the
whole plant is similar to that of one of the low growing hardy
geraniums.

Your original post said "Most of the characteristics of a hardy
geranium" ... "flowers are not of the cranesbill type". I think you'll
find that most of us interpreted that as meaning that it looked like a
geranium (which includes the form of the foliage) except for the
flowers.

About all I now know of the plant is that it is herbaceous, does not
have erect flowering spikes, and has blue-purple flowers. Can you offer
us any more details?
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

Or a picture?
David Hill
Abacus Nurseries

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I am trying to identify a perrenial.
It has most of the characteristics of a hardy geranium, but
having checked specialist growers I do not recognise it
there. The flowers are blue/purple, the plant ~ 6" tall x
~9-12" wide initially, and the flowers are not of the
cranesbill type. I have seen it growing wild on the coast.
Any suggestions?

It's a bit on the small size, but is it a Common Mallow
(Malva sylvestris)? The native(ish) form has pale red to
rose to lilac flowers, but the Mediterranean form has
magenta flowers, and might be found as an escape.

The leaves of mallows and geraniums can look very similar;
it took me a few years to train myself to tell them apart,
and that's assuming I don't come across anything exotic. The
distinguishing mark of mallows (including hibiscuses,
abutilons and the like) is the fusion of the filaments of
the stamens into a column enclosing the style, generally
with the free portion of the filaments and the anthers
clustered at the top of the column.

Possibly.
I saw a blue geranium on the banks of The Tyne today, so
perhaps it was that after all.

The wild blue-flowered species are Geranium pratense (Meadow
Cranesbill) and Geranium sylvaticum (Wood Cranesbill). But you
would have found these in Keble-Martin. (I photographed one of
these as Allenback back in 2000.) There are other
blue-flowered forms among the cultivars and exotics, such as
Geranium 'Johnson's Blue', Geranium wallichianum 'Buxton's
Variety' and Geranium renardii (rather purplish)

When you said that the flowers were not of the cranesbill
type, I assumed you meant a difference other than colour.

I did, but I cannot come up with anything else of that habit in
my search. I am still not convinced that I have spotted anything
with an intense enough blue to suggest I've found what I'm
looking for. I gave my daughter my big illustrated book of
plants and people are beginning to worry about this strange old
geezer peering into their gardens. Google has not come up with a
search I can do by: colour, flower size, plant size, location
etc. -- Jim S
Tyneside UK
http://www.jimscott.co.uk
You said near the coast, most obvious blue flower there is sheep
bit scabious, but the flowers are nothing like geranium! then
there are sea asters, various campanulas, vinca minor and chicory,
this year it would be difficult to work on flowering periods as
everything seems to be early.

But, if I'm not mistaken, none of these have foliage that looks
anything like a geranium either.

Never said anything about foliage.
I might be wrong, but all I said was that the size and shape of the
whole plant is similar to that of one of the low growing hardy
geraniums.

Your original post said "Most of the characteristics of a hardy
geranium" ... "flowers are not of the cranesbill type". I think
you'll find that most of us interpreted that as meaning that it
looked like a geranium (which includes the form of the foliage)
except for the flowers.

About all I now know of the plant is that it is herbaceous, does not
have erect flowering spikes, and has blue-purple flowers. Can you
offer us any more details?
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

Or a picture?
David Hill
Abacus Nurseries

Sorry, but I have not got a picture. If I had I could probably identify
it for myself.
This is a plant I saw (past tense), both in gardens and wild (altho'
there is no guarantee it hadn't escaped).
So I am working from memory here and would like to see a picture myself.
I had a look in a garden centre today with no success, except that the
geraniums were all to tall and too pale and too sprawly, but that could
be the way they were grown.
So what is left? Dark purple/blue flowers, possibly slightly larger than
those of the cranesbill geranium; habit probably more compact than the
gerraniums I saw today; no recollection of seedheads at all and
certainly not the spikey ones that cranesbill carry.
It could of course be that I cannot find it because it flowers later in
the year.
--
Jim S
Tyneside UK
http://www.jimscott.co.uk

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None of the spikey seed heads.

Isn't it a bit early for those if it were a Field geranium? It flowers a
bit later than either the small pink flowered ones or G phaeum.
--
Kay

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Scott writes
I am trying to identify a perrenial.
It has most of the characteristics of a hardy
geranium, but
having checked specialist growers I do not recognise
it
there. The flowers are blue/purple, the plant ~ 6"
tall x
~9-12" wide initially, and the flowers are not of
the
cranesbill type. I have seen it growing wild on the
coast.
Any suggestions?

It's a bit on the small size, but is it a Common
Mallow
(Malva sylvestris)? The native(ish) form has pale
red to
rose to lilac flowers, but the Mediterranean form
has
magenta flowers, and might be found as an escape.

The leaves of mallows and geraniums can look very
similar;
it took me a few years to train myself to tell them
apart,
and that's assuming I don't come across anything
exotic. The
distinguishing mark of mallows (including
hibiscuses,
abutilons and the like) is the fusion of the
filaments of
the stamens into a column enclosing the style,
generally
with the free portion of the filaments and the
anthers
clustered at the top of the column.

Possibly.
I saw a blue geranium on the banks of The Tyne today,
so
perhaps it was that after all.

The wild blue-flowered species are Geranium pratense
(Meadow
Cranesbill) and Geranium sylvaticum (Wood Cranesbill).
But you
would have found these in Keble-Martin. (I
photographed one of
these as Allenback back in 2000.) There are other
blue-flowered forms among the cultivars and exotics,
such as
Geranium 'Johnson's Blue', Geranium wallichianum
'Buxton's
Variety' and Geranium renardii (rather purplish)

When you said that the flowers were not of the
cranesbill
type, I assumed you meant a difference other than
colour.

I did, but I cannot come up with anything else of that
habit in
my search. I am still not convinced that I have spotted
anything
with an intense enough blue to suggest I've found what
I'm
looking for. I gave my daughter my big illustrated book
of
plants and people are beginning to worry about this
strange old
geezer peering into their gardens. Google has not come
up with a
search I can do by: colour, flower size, plant size,
location
etc. -- Jim S
Tyneside UK
http://www.jimscott.co.uk
You said near the coast, most obvious blue flower there is
sheep
bit scabious, but the flowers are nothing like geranium!
then
there are sea asters, various campanulas, vinca minor and
chicory,
this year it would be difficult to work on flowering
periods as
everything seems to be early.

But, if I'm not mistaken, none of these have foliage that
looks
anything like a geranium either.

Never said anything about foliage.
I might be wrong, but all I said was that the size and shape
of the
whole plant is similar to that of one of the low growing
hardy
geraniums.

Your original post said "Most of the characteristics of a
hardy
geranium" ... "flowers are not of the cranesbill type". I
think
you'll find that most of us interpreted that as meaning that
it
looked like a geranium (which includes the form of the
foliage)
except for the flowers.

About all I now know of the plant is that it is herbaceous,
does not
have erect flowering spikes, and has blue-purple flowers. Can
you
offer us any more details?
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

Or a picture?
David Hill
Abacus Nurseries

Well there you go. I drove 60 miles to get these and yes it is a
geranium. ?
http://www.jimscot.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Geranium.htm
Now one of you can have the satisfaction of telling me which
one?

--
Jim S
Tyneside UK

In message . de, Jim
Scott writes
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In message , Charlie
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"Jim Scott" wrote in message

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In message
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Jim Scott writes
Stewart Robert Hinsley
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In message
Xns99548F405594Ejim.jimXscott.co...
, Jim
Scott writes
I am trying to identify a perrenial.
It has most of the characteristics of a hardy
geranium, but
having checked specialist growers I do not recognise
it
there. The flowers are blue/purple, the plant ~ 6"
tall x
~9-12" wide initially, and the flowers are not of
the
cranesbill type. I have seen it growing wild on the
coast.
Any suggestions?

It's a bit on the small size, but is it a Common
Mallow
(Malva sylvestris)? The native(ish) form has pale
red to
rose to lilac flowers, but the Mediterranean form
has
magenta flowers, and might be found as an escape.

The leaves of mallows and geraniums can look very
similar;
it took me a few years to train myself to tell them
apart,
and that's assuming I don't come across anything
exotic. The
distinguishing mark of mallows (including
hibiscuses,
abutilons and the like) is the fusion of the
filaments of
the stamens into a column enclosing the style,
generally
with the free portion of the filaments and the
anthers
clustered at the top of the column.

Possibly.
I saw a blue geranium on the banks of The Tyne today,
so
perhaps it was that after all.

The wild blue-flowered species are Geranium pratense
(Meadow
Cranesbill) and Geranium sylvaticum (Wood Cranesbill).
But you
would have found these in Keble-Martin. (I
photographed one of
these as Allenback back in 2000.) There are other
blue-flowered forms among the cultivars and exotics,
such as
Geranium 'Johnson's Blue', Geranium wallichianum
'Buxton's
Variety' and Geranium renardii (rather purplish)

When you said that the flowers were not of the
cranesbill
type, I assumed you meant a difference other than
colour.

I did, but I cannot come up with anything else of that
habit in
my search. I am still not convinced that I have spotted
anything
with an intense enough blue to suggest I've found what
I'm
looking for. I gave my daughter my big illustrated book
of
plants and people are beginning to worry about this
strange old
geezer peering into their gardens. Google has not come
up with a
search I can do by: colour, flower size, plant size,
location
etc. -- Jim S
Tyneside UK
http://www.jimscott.co.uk
You said near the coast, most obvious blue flower there is
sheep
bit scabious, but the flowers are nothing like geranium!
then
there are sea asters, various campanulas, vinca minor and
chicory,
this year it would be difficult to work on flowering
periods as
everything seems to be early.

But, if I'm not mistaken, none of these have foliage that
looks
anything like a geranium either.

Never said anything about foliage.
I might be wrong, but all I said was that the size and shape
of the
whole plant is similar to that of one of the low growing
hardy
geraniums.

Your original post said "Most of the characteristics of a
hardy
geranium" ... "flowers are not of the cranesbill type". I
think
you'll find that most of us interpreted that as meaning that
it
looked like a geranium (which includes the form of the
foliage)
except for the flowers.

About all I now know of the plant is that it is herbaceous,
does not
have erect flowering spikes, and has blue-purple flowers. Can
you
offer us any more details?
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

Or a picture?
David Hill
Abacus Nurseries

Well there you go. I drove 60 miles to get these and yes it is a
geranium. ?
http://www.jimscot.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Geranium.htm
Now one of you can have the satisfaction of telling me which
one?

Bloody Cranesbill, Geranium sanguineum, known for its coastal
distribution ("dry rocks and sea cliffs", fide Keble-Martin).
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

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Stewart Robert Hinsley
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, Jim
Scott writes
I am trying to identify a perrenial.
It has most of the characteristics of a hardy
geranium, but
having checked specialist growers I do not recognise
it
there. The flowers are blue/purple, the plant ~ 6"
tall x
~9-12" wide initially, and the flowers are not of
the
cranesbill type. I have seen it growing wild on the
coast.
Any suggestions?

It's a bit on the small size, but is it a Common
Mallow
(Malva sylvestris)? The native(ish) form has pale
red to
rose to lilac flowers, but the Mediterranean form
has
magenta flowers, and might be found as an escape.

The leaves of mallows and geraniums can look very
similar;
it took me a few years to train myself to tell them
apart,
and that's assuming I don't come across anything
exotic. The
distinguishing mark of mallows (including
hibiscuses,
abutilons and the like) is the fusion of the
filaments of
the stamens into a column enclosing the style,
generally
with the free portion of the filaments and the
anthers
clustered at the top of the column.

Possibly.
I saw a blue geranium on the banks of The Tyne today,
so
perhaps it was that after all.

The wild blue-flowered species are Geranium pratense
(Meadow
Cranesbill) and Geranium sylvaticum (Wood Cranesbill).
But you
would have found these in Keble-Martin. (I
photographed one of
these as Allenback back in 2000.) There are other
Well there you go. I drove 60 miles to get these and yes it is a
geranium. ?
http://www.jimscot.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Geranium.htm
Now one of you can have the satisfaction of telling me which
one?

Bloody Cranesbill, Geranium sanguineum, known for its coastal
distribution ("dry rocks and sea cliffs", fide Keble-Martin).

Thanks all. I swear it looked bluer than this (before I had me cataracts
done)

This one is blue - identify please and then I'll go away.
http://www.jimscot.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Geranium_2.htm
--
Jim S
Tyneside UK
http://www.jimscott.co.uk

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Stewart Robert Hinsley
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In message
Xns99548F405594Ejim.jimXscott.co...
, Jim
Scott writes
I am trying to identify a perrenial.
It has most of the characteristics of a hardy
geranium, but
having checked specialist growers I do not recognise
it
there. The flowers are blue/purple, the plant ~ 6"
tall x
~9-12" wide initially, and the flowers are not of
the
cranesbill type. I have seen it growing wild on the
coast.
Any suggestions?

It's a bit on the small size, but is it a Common
Mallow
(Malva sylvestris)? The native(ish) form has pale
red to
rose to lilac flowers, but the Mediterranean form
has
magenta flowers, and might be found as an escape.

The leaves of mallows and geraniums can look very
similar;
it took me a few years to train myself to tell them
apart,
and that's assuming I don't come across anything
exotic. The
distinguishing mark of mallows (including
hibiscuses,
abutilons and the like) is the fusion of the
filaments of
the stamens into a column enclosing the style,
generally
with the free portion of the filaments and the
anthers
clustered at the top of the column.

Possibly.
I saw a blue geranium on the banks of The Tyne today,
so
perhaps it was that after all.

The wild blue-flowered species are Geranium pratense
(Meadow
Cranesbill) and Geranium sylvaticum (Wood Cranesbill).
But you
would have found these in Keble-Martin. (I
photographed one of
these as Allenback back in 2000.) There are other
Well there you go. I drove 60 miles to get these and yes it is a
geranium. ?
http://www.jimscot.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Geranium.htm
Now one of you can have the satisfaction of telling me which
one?

Bloody Cranesbill, Geranium sanguineum, known for its coastal
distribution ("dry rocks and sea cliffs", fide Keble-Martin).

Thanks all. I swear it looked bluer than this (before I had me cataracts
done)

This one is blue - identify please and then I'll go away.
http://www.jimscot.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Geranium_2.htm

Most likely Meadow Cranesbill, Geranium pratense, but there are other
possibilities.
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley