"John McMillan" wrote
You'll not be very welcome here if you don't want to start
an argument. The whole point of this newsgroup is to propagate
vile and rancorous arguments. The "gardening" bit in the title
is simply a screen.

http://www.mindspring.com/~mfpatton/sketch.htm
Jenny "~))

"John McMillan" wrote
You'll not be very welcome here if you don't want to start
an argument. The whole point of this newsgroup is to propagate
vile and rancorous arguments. The "gardening" bit in the title
is simply a screen.

I'm sorry you feel that way John, I personally don't find it so at all
except for one or two people and in all walks of life you find a few of
those sort that think it funny to cause trouble and be nasty, it's just
another form of vandalism. The recent spat totally missed me, as I'm not
that interested in Rosemary, that was until someone gave me a "heads up" to
what was going on, I was just looking at the threads that interested me as
usual, in a world of my own. :-).
If you find some people annoying just ignore them, delete their posts, or
"Killfile" them.
This Ng is about UK gardening the vast majority of the time and even the
arguments are about gardening usually, we have a lot of very knowledgeable
gardeners posting here, both professional and experienced old codgers, who
simply like to help others over their problems etc., chat over the fence,
and yes, engage in friendly argument occasionally. Just like an allotment
site actually. :-)
--
Regards
Bob H
17mls W. of London.UK

In message , JennyC
writes

"John McMillan" wrote
You'll not be very welcome here if you don't want to start
an argument. The whole point of this newsgroup is to propagate
vile and rancorous arguments. The "gardening" bit in the title
is simply a screen.

http://www.mindspring.com/~mfpatton/sketch.htm
Jenny "~))


Brilliant))
--
June Hughes

"John McMillan" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Cerumen" wrote:

"BoyPete" wrote in message
...
I've lurked for ages, just posting occasionally. I do hope my pond
orientated posts don't annoy. My garden is about 20ft square, nearly
half
is pond now. Most people here seem to be 'real' gardeners, something
I'd
love to be if I had the room! I dream of retiring to a large old house
with half an acre..........yeah.....dream on. In the past, I've grown
carrots, Swede, peas, runner beans, lettuce etc, but until recently,
especially sweet corn......great picked and straight on the BBQ Now,
I
only have pots Something which bugs me, is the use of the Latin
names
for plants. I realise that if you are really into gardening, these
things
are important, but to the likes of me........an interested wannabe,
they
are meaningless. It would be nice if folk could call plants by their
'common' name perhaps with the Latin in brackets? What do you think?
Thanks for a great friendly group.

Yes both latin and common names would be best but the latin names do
serve a
purpose in that they positively identify what is being referred to
whereas
common names can mislead. One good example is swede and turnip, which are
transposed by some people in different parts of the world. I'm not about
to
start an argument about which is which but with the latin names there can
be
no argument.

You'll not be very welcome here if you don't want to start
an argument. The whole point of this newsgroup is to propagate
vile and rancorous arguments. The "gardening" bit in the title
is simply a screen.

There is only one answer to this post and that is:-

!PLONK!

On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:30:13 GMT, "Alan Holmes"
wrote:


"John McMillan" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Cerumen" wrote:

"BoyPete" wrote in message
...
I've lurked for ages, just posting occasionally. I do hope my pond
orientated posts don't annoy. My garden is about 20ft square, nearly
half
is pond now. Most people here seem to be 'real' gardeners, something
I'd
love to be if I had the room! I dream of retiring to a large old house
with half an acre..........yeah.....dream on. In the past, I've grown
carrots, Swede, peas, runner beans, lettuce etc, but until recently,
especially sweet corn......great picked and straight on the BBQ Now,
I
only have pots Something which bugs me, is the use of the Latin
names
for plants. I realise that if you are really into gardening, these
things
are important, but to the likes of me........an interested wannabe,
they
are meaningless. It would be nice if folk could call plants by their
'common' name perhaps with the Latin in brackets? What do you think?
Thanks for a great friendly group.

Yes both latin and common names would be best but the latin names do
serve a
purpose in that they positively identify what is being referred to
whereas
common names can mislead. One good example is swede and turnip, which are
transposed by some people in different parts of the world. I'm not about
to
start an argument about which is which but with the latin names there can
be
no argument.

You'll not be very welcome here if you don't want to start
an argument. The whole point of this newsgroup is to propagate
vile and rancorous arguments. The "gardening" bit in the title
is simply a screen.

There is only one answer to this post and that is:-

!PLONK!


!PLIP! Every trip?


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"Anne Jackson" wrote

Only one problem there, that I can see..._my_ 'common name' for a plant
might not be the same as _yours_! Common names tend to vary, depending
on which part of the country you're in.
AnneJ

Nah - don wannabee common do yer :~))
Jenny

In article , Sacha
writes

A bit like the presant pronunsiation of Beaconsfield, which is a place where
they had a beacon, but the 'posh' people call it beckons-field as in someone
trying to get your attention, but I always refer to it as a place where
there was a beacon!

Ray, who is an Essex man, says much the same about people pronouncing
Theydon Bois with 'bois' as in French, whereas the locals calls it Theydon
Boys!


Living near 'Bekonsfield' I gave up years ago saying it as though a
beacon
We also have Chesham Bois and as Sacha says everyone pronounces it Boys!
However there's going to be a Time team programme on Bois House in the
next month and maybe we'll learn what we should call it from that!
--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

On 28/2/07 11:29, in article , "Janet Tweedy"
wrote:

In article , Sacha
writes

A bit like the presant pronunsiation of Beaconsfield, which is a place where
they had a beacon, but the 'posh' people call it beckons-field as in someone
trying to get your attention, but I always refer to it as a place where
there was a beacon!

Ray, who is an Essex man, says much the same about people pronouncing
Theydon Bois with 'bois' as in French, whereas the locals calls it Theydon
Boys!


Living near 'Bekonsfield' I gave up years ago saying it as though a
beacon
We also have Chesham Bois and as Sacha says everyone pronounces it Boys!
However there's going to be a Time team programme on Bois House in the
next month and maybe we'll learn what we should call it from that!

I think there's no doubt it was once pronounced in the French fashion but,
like many place names and surnames has become anglicised over time. I
nearly said *******ised but... ;-) I committed a huge social solecism by
pronouncing Belvoir Castle in the French fashion to someone associated with
the place - coming from the CIs how was I to know it's pronounced Beevor?!
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
(remove weeds from address)

Janet Tweedy wrote:

Living near 'Bekonsfield' I gave up years ago saying it as though a
beacon
We also have Chesham Bois and as Sacha says everyone pronounces it Boys!
However there's going to be a Time team programme on Bois House in the
next month and maybe we'll learn what we should call it from that!

Depending upon who you talk to, St Austell in Cornwall, is Snozzle,
Sun-Ozzle or Sane-Ossle. I play safe and say "Sun-Ostel" and it's
never caused a raised eyebrow. Likewise Launceston, which seems to
divide its time between being Laansten and Lawnston. Not being
related to or well-acquainted with Denzil Penworthy, I'm never quite
sure what to say.

There's a bit of a division here in Devon as well. Totnes is
variously Totnus (said quickly with no emphasis) or more commonly Tot-
Ness. I'm assured by a pal who is from an old Tonesian family that
Totnus is used by true local and that Tot-Ness is used by outsiders.

In article .com,
"Dave Poole" writes:
|
| Depending upon who you talk to, St Austell in Cornwall, is Snozzle,
| Sun-Ozzle or Sane-Ossle. I play safe and say "Sun-Ostel" and it's
| never caused a raised eyebrow. Likewise Launceston, which seems to
| divide its time between being Laansten and Lawnston. Not being
| related to or well-acquainted with Denzil Penworthy, I'm never quite
| sure what to say.

I used to use Sen-(t)Ossle, with the 't' very soft indeed, but that was
a LONG time back. And, of course, Mowzell for Mousehole.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On 28/2/07 14:19, in article
, "Dave Poole"
wrote:

Janet Tweedy wrote:

Living near 'Bekonsfield' I gave up years ago saying it as though a
beacon
We also have Chesham Bois and as Sacha says everyone pronounces it Boys!
However there's going to be a Time team programme on Bois House in the
next month and maybe we'll learn what we should call it from that!

Depending upon who you talk to, St Austell in Cornwall, is Snozzle,
Sun-Ozzle or Sane-Ossle. I play safe and say "Sun-Ostel" and it's
never caused a raised eyebrow. Likewise Launceston, which seems to
divide its time between being Laansten and Lawnston. Not being
related to or well-acquainted with Denzil Penworthy, I'm never quite
sure what to say.

There's a bit of a division here in Devon as well. Totnes is
variously Totnus (said quickly with no emphasis) or more commonly Tot-
Ness. I'm assured by a pal who is from an old Tonesian family that
Totnus is used by true local and that Tot-Ness is used by outsiders.

And then there's Dittisham (Ditsum) and Topsham (Topsum).

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
(remove weeds from address)

Sacha wrote in
. uk:

On 28/2/07 14:19, in article
, "Dave Poole"
wrote:

Janet Tweedy wrote:

Living near 'Bekonsfield' I gave up years ago saying it as though a
beacon
We also have Chesham Bois and as Sacha says everyone pronounces it
Boys! However there's going to be a Time team programme on Bois
House in the next month and maybe we'll learn what we should call it
from that!

Depending upon who you talk to, St Austell in Cornwall, is Snozzle,
Sun-Ozzle or Sane-Ossle. I play safe and say "Sun-Ostel" and it's
never caused a raised eyebrow. Likewise Launceston, which seems to
divide its time between being Laansten and Lawnston. Not being
related to or well-acquainted with Denzil Penworthy, I'm never quite
sure what to say.

There's a bit of a division here in Devon as well. Totnes is
variously Totnus (said quickly with no emphasis) or more commonly
Tot- Ness. I'm assured by a pal who is from an old Tonesian family
that Totnus is used by true local and that Tot-Ness is used by
outsiders.

And then there's Dittisham (Ditsum) and Topsham (Topsum).

Near Brissle/Bristol there is Almsbury/Almondsbury,
Coongsbury/Congresbury, Gloster/Gloucester,
Sissiter/Cirencester. And that's without straying
"over the bridge".

Further afield, Annick/Alnwick is a traditional pitfall,
and there's also Lester/Leicester (etc), of course.

"Sacha" wrote in message
. uk...
On 28/2/07 14:19, in article
, "Dave Poole"
wrote:

Janet Tweedy wrote:

Living near 'Bekonsfield' I gave up years ago saying it as though a
beacon
We also have Chesham Bois and as Sacha says everyone pronounces it
Boys!
However there's going to be a Time team programme on Bois House in the
next month and maybe we'll learn what we should call it from that!

Depending upon who you talk to, St Austell in Cornwall, is Snozzle,
Sun-Ozzle or Sane-Ossle. I play safe and say "Sun-Ostel" and it's
never caused a raised eyebrow. Likewise Launceston, which seems to
divide its time between being Laansten and Lawnston. Not being
related to or well-acquainted with Denzil Penworthy, I'm never quite
sure what to say.

There's a bit of a division here in Devon as well. Totnes is
variously Totnus (said quickly with no emphasis) or more commonly Tot-
Ness. I'm assured by a pal who is from an old Tonesian family that
Totnus is used by true local and that Tot-Ness is used by outsiders.

And then there's Dittisham (Ditsum) and Topsham (Topsum).


Not to mention Woolfardisworthy (Woolsery) up Bideford way.

In message .com, Dave
Poole writes
Janet Tweedy wrote:

Living near 'Bekonsfield' I gave up years ago saying it as though a
beacon
We also have Chesham Bois and as Sacha says everyone pronounces it Boys!
However there's going to be a Time team programme on Bois House in the
next month and maybe we'll learn what we should call it from that!

Depending upon who you talk to, St Austell in Cornwall, is Snozzle,
Sun-Ozzle or Sane-Ossle. I play safe and say "Sun-Ostel" and it's
never caused a raised eyebrow. Likewise Launceston, which seems to
divide its time between being Laansten and Lawnston. Not being
related to or well-acquainted with Denzil Penworthy, I'm never quite
sure what to say.

There's a bit of a division here in Devon as well. Totnes is
variously Totnus (said quickly with no emphasis) or more commonly Tot-
Ness. I'm assured by a pal who is from an old Tonesian family that
Totnus is used by true local and that Tot-Ness is used by outsiders.

Similarly, Wymondham in Norfolk is Windham and Wymondham in Leics is
Wy-mond-ham..
--
June Hughes

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
43.53...
Sacha wrote in
. uk:

On 28/2/07 14:19, in article
, "Dave Poole"
wrote:

Janet Tweedy wrote:

Living near 'Bekonsfield' I gave up years ago saying it as though a
beacon
We also have Chesham Bois and as Sacha says everyone pronounces it
Boys! However there's going to be a Time team programme on Bois
House in the next month and maybe we'll learn what we should call it
from that!

Depending upon who you talk to, St Austell in Cornwall, is Snozzle,
Sun-Ozzle or Sane-Ossle. I play safe and say "Sun-Ostel" and it's
never caused a raised eyebrow. Likewise Launceston, which seems to
divide its time between being Laansten and Lawnston. Not being
related to or well-acquainted with Denzil Penworthy, I'm never quite
sure what to say.

There's a bit of a division here in Devon as well. Totnes is
variously Totnus (said quickly with no emphasis) or more commonly
Tot- Ness. I'm assured by a pal who is from an old Tonesian family
that Totnus is used by true local and that Tot-Ness is used by
outsiders.

And then there's Dittisham (Ditsum) and Topsham (Topsum).

Near Brissle/Bristol there is Almsbury/Almondsbury,
Coongsbury/Congresbury, Gloster/Gloucester,
Sissiter/Cirencester. And that's without straying
"over the bridge".

Further afield, Annick/Alnwick is a traditional pitfall,
and there's also Lester/Leicester (etc), of course.

How does one pronounce Nempnett Thrubwell, a village S of Bristol)?
Graham