Press Release 19th Feb 2007

SHAMEFUL ADMISSION BY SCOTLAND'S SHOOTING INDUSTRY

LEAGUE AGAINST CRUEL SPORTS CONDEMNS TREATMENT OF GAME BIRDS

The Game Conservancy Trust has admitted the welfare of many game birds
was jeopardised this season by transporting the birds hundreds of
miles in hot weather.

In the 2006/07 Game Season Review in the latest edition of the
Shooting Times (15th Feb) Ian Lindsay of the GCT states that:

"Some heavy losses occurred to pheasants bought from southern England
presumably the result of long, hot journeys and stress-related
disease."

This dramatic understatement hardly conveys the true horrors of the
commercial shooting industry and simply proves what anti-shooting
campaigners have argued for a long time - that intensive breeding and
rearing is not confined to England and Wales.

Scotland Campaigner for the League Against Cruel Sports, Louise
Robertson says, "This admission from Mr Lindsay highlights just how
little regard is paid to the welfare of these birds which are bred by
the thousand, in horrific conditions, to be shot for entertainment
purposes. It flies in the face of countless arguments by commercial
shooting promoters that intensive breeding is not part of the industry
in Scotland".




"I would urge Mr Lindsay to put an exact figure on what he means by
"heavy losses" - are we talking hundreds, thousands or indeed more
game birds dying in this manner?"

-ends-

Note to editors:

For more information about intensive breeding and rearing of game
birds go to http://www.league.org.uk/uploads/documents/doc_298.pdf

Angus Macmillan
www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
www.killhunting.org
www.con-servation.org.uk

All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident.
-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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Press Release 19th Feb 2007

SHAMEFUL ADMISSION BY SCOTLAND'S SHOOTING INDUSTRY

LEAGUE AGAINST CRUEL SPORTS CONDEMNS TREATMENT OF GAME BIRDS

The Game Conservancy Trust has admitted the welfare of many game birds
was jeopardised this season by transporting the birds hundreds of
miles in hot weather.

I was sure you had always held the view that translocation wasn't
harmful to animals.

Are you suggesting you were wrong?



--
Malcolm Kane

On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:38:29 +0000,
wrote:

In message ,
writes
Press Release 19th Feb 2007

SHAMEFUL ADMISSION BY SCOTLAND'S SHOOTING INDUSTRY

LEAGUE AGAINST CRUEL SPORTS CONDEMNS TREATMENT OF GAME BIRDS

The Game Conservancy Trust has admitted the welfare of many game birds
was jeopardised this season by transporting the birds hundreds of
miles in hot weather.

I was sure you had always held the view that translocation wasn't
harmful to animals.

Are you suggesting you were wrong?




Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your
rubbish, I might as well make use of the opportunity you are
providing. Not doubt you'll snip it but it'll be there the next time
:-))

See my responses to Dr Thick

Why is Dr Malcolm Ogilvie known as Dr Thick?

See the exchanges below:

_________________________________

Malcolm:
No, Angus, that's just you wriggling again. You used a specific term,
"sock-puppet", on the internet and, as that term has no meaning other
than that used on the internet, you must expect people to think that
that's the meaning you were attributing to it.

Angus:
Complete rubbish! See above.

Malcolm:
No, Angus, a fact. Unless of course you can find a definition of
sock-puppet as being the same as glove-puppet.

Angus:
From Wikipedia:

"Simple hand puppets are usually not much larger than the hand itself.
A sock puppet is a particularly simple type of hand puppet made from a
sock. A glove puppet is slightly more complex, with an internal
division for fingers allowing independent manipulation of a
character's arms.

______________________________

or prejudice like:


_____________________________

Internet posting to Malcolm Kane of Penrith from Dr Malcolm A Ogilvie


"Malcolm, it must be what a teacher feels like after trying to drum
something into the head of the dullard who is going to leave school
with a single 'O' grade. There's only so much that someone so
intellectually challenged can understand. The problem will come in
later life, when an inability to grasp concepts, not to mention be
able to understand the meanings of words, will seriously let them
down, to the point when, how ever often they are told something, they
merely repeat, as a rote, statements and claims which they think are
very telling but, in fact, were meaningless or just plain wrong the
first time, and continue to be so regardless of how many times they
are repeated. The situation will be even worse if, during their lives,
they have gained absolutely no personal knowledge of the subjects
about which they spout and thus are completely unable to comprehend
anyone who points out that their ignorance is letting them down."

Dr Malcolm A Ogilvie
Scientific Adviser to Scottish Natural Heritage
On Internet Newsgroup uk.environment.conservation
Date: Mon,18 Sept 2006 07:32;30 +0100

Comment: A nasty prejudiced and unwarranted attack on kids
leaving school with one O Grade.

___________________________

Or dimness of mind when you can't understand a question:

__________________________

Malcolm Ogilvie aka Dr Thick is confused about his measure of
intelligence.

A Macmillan: "Do you think you don't have limited intelligence?"

Dr Thick:: "What a contorted question. The answer is yes. What about
yourself?"

___________________________

Or confusion about what is natural

__________________________

Dr Malcolm Ogilvie:
"The grey squirrel, on the other hand, is an invasive non-native
introduced from North America."

Angus Macmillan:
"In perfectly natural circumstances, unless you exclude man from
nature."

Dr Malcolm Ogilvie:
"More nonsensical rubbish."

Angus Macmillan:
"Are you saying that man is outside nature and that his actions are
not natural?"

Dr Malcolm Ogilvie:
"Are you claiming that ships are natural objects?"

Angus Macmillan:
"Of course they are. They are a product of man's evolution and made
entirely of natural materials."

Dr Malcolm Ogilvie:
"LOL!!!!

You're a card, Angus, a real card :-))))

Since when have manufactured materials, for example, steel, been
"natural"?"

Angus Macmillan:
"Steel and manufacturing are products of man's evolution and consists
of entirely natural materials.

I am gob-smacked at your ignorance in this matter."

__________________________

Or when all else fails:

_________________________

Angus: Is this where you tell me to "f****" off" like the last time
Imentioned your air ambulance trip?

Malcolm: Yes, if you like. **** off, Angus.

_________________________


Which means just about everything he says is nonsense.



Angus Macmillan
www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
www.killhunting.org
www.con-servation.org.uk

All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident.
-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:38:29 +0000,
wrote:

In message ,
writes
Press Release 19th Feb 2007

SHAMEFUL ADMISSION BY SCOTLAND'S SHOOTING INDUSTRY

LEAGUE AGAINST CRUEL SPORTS CONDEMNS TREATMENT OF GAME BIRDS

The Game Conservancy Trust has admitted the welfare of many game birds
was jeopardised this season by transporting the birds hundreds of
miles in hot weather.

I was sure you had always held the view that translocation wasn't
harmful to animals.

Are you suggesting you were wrong?




Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your
rubbish,

Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or
intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't
decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to
your attempts to silence me ;-))))

I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you
realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully.
--
Malcolm Kane

On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:01:52 +0000,
wrote:

In message ,
writes
On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:38:29 +0000,
wrote:

In message ,
writes
Press Release 19th Feb 2007

SHAMEFUL ADMISSION BY SCOTLAND'S SHOOTING INDUSTRY

LEAGUE AGAINST CRUEL SPORTS CONDEMNS TREATMENT OF GAME BIRDS

The Game Conservancy Trust has admitted the welfare of many game birds
was jeopardised this season by transporting the birds hundreds of
miles in hot weather.

I was sure you had always held the view that translocation wasn't
harmful to animals.

Are you suggesting you were wrong?




Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your
rubbish,

Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or
intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't
decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to
your attempts to silence me ;-))))

I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you
realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully.


Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your
rubbish, I might as well make use of the opportunity you are
providing. Not doubt you'll snip it but it'll be there the next time
:-))

See my responses to Dr Thick

Why is Dr Malcolm Ogilvie known as Dr Thick?

See the exchanges below:

_________________________________

Malcolm:
No, Angus, that's just you wriggling again. You used a specific term,
"sock-puppet", on the internet and, as that term has no meaning other
than that used on the internet, you must expect people to think that
that's the meaning you were attributing to it.

Angus:
Complete rubbish! See above.

Malcolm:
No, Angus, a fact. Unless of course you can find a definition of
sock-puppet as being the same as glove-puppet.

Angus:
From Wikipedia:

"Simple hand puppets are usually not much larger than the hand itself.
A sock puppet is a particularly simple type of hand puppet made from a
sock. A glove puppet is slightly more complex, with an internal
division for fingers allowing independent manipulation of a
character's arms.

______________________________

or prejudice like:


_____________________________

Internet posting to Malcolm Kane of Penrith from Dr Malcolm A Ogilvie


"Malcolm, it must be what a teacher feels like after trying to drum
something into the head of the dullard who is going to leave school
with a single 'O' grade. There's only so much that someone so
intellectually challenged can understand. The problem will come in
later life, when an inability to grasp concepts, not to mention be
able to understand the meanings of words, will seriously let them
down, to the point when, how ever often they are told something, they
merely repeat, as a rote, statements and claims which they think are
very telling but, in fact, were meaningless or just plain wrong the
first time, and continue to be so regardless of how many times they
are repeated. The situation will be even worse if, during their lives,
they have gained absolutely no personal knowledge of the subjects
about which they spout and thus are completely unable to comprehend
anyone who points out that their ignorance is letting them down."

Dr Malcolm A Ogilvie
Scientific Adviser to Scottish Natural Heritage
On Internet Newsgroup uk.environment.conservation
Date: Mon,18 Sept 2006 07:32;30 +0100

Comment: A nasty prejudiced and unwarranted attack on kids
leaving school with one O Grade.

___________________________

Or dimness of mind when you can't understand a question:

__________________________

Malcolm Ogilvie aka Dr Thick is confused about his measure of
intelligence.

A Macmillan: "Do you think you don't have limited intelligence?"

Dr Thick:: "What a contorted question. The answer is yes. What about
yourself?"

___________________________

Or confusion about what is natural

__________________________

Dr Malcolm Ogilvie:
"The grey squirrel, on the other hand, is an invasive non-native
introduced from North America."

Angus Macmillan:
"In perfectly natural circumstances, unless you exclude man from
nature."

Dr Malcolm Ogilvie:
"More nonsensical rubbish."

Angus Macmillan:
"Are you saying that man is outside nature and that his actions are
not natural?"

Dr Malcolm Ogilvie:
"Are you claiming that ships are natural objects?"

Angus Macmillan:
"Of course they are. They are a product of man's evolution and made
entirely of natural materials."

Dr Malcolm Ogilvie:
"LOL!!!!

You're a card, Angus, a real card :-))))

Since when have manufactured materials, for example, steel, been
"natural"?"

Angus Macmillan:
"Steel and manufacturing are products of man's evolution and consists
of entirely natural materials.

I am gob-smacked at your ignorance in this matter."

__________________________

Or when all else fails:

_________________________

Angus: Is this where you tell me to "f****" off" like the last time
Imentioned your air ambulance trip?

Malcolm: Yes, if you like. **** off, Angus.

_________________________


Which means just about everything he says is nonsense.



Angus Macmillan
www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
www.killhunting.org
www.con-servation.org.uk

All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident.
-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

In message ,
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On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:01:52 +0000,
wrote:

In message ,
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On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:38:29 +0000,
wrote:

In message ,
writes
Press Release 19th Feb 2007

SHAMEFUL ADMISSION BY SCOTLAND'S SHOOTING INDUSTRY

LEAGUE AGAINST CRUEL SPORTS CONDEMNS TREATMENT OF GAME BIRDS

The Game Conservancy Trust has admitted the welfare of many game birds
was jeopardised this season by transporting the birds hundreds of
miles in hot weather.

I was sure you had always held the view that translocation wasn't
harmful to animals.

Are you suggesting you were wrong?




Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your
rubbish,

Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or
intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't
decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to
your attempts to silence me ;-))))

I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you
realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully.


Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your
rubbish, I

Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or
intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't
decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to
your attempts to silence me ;-))))

I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you
realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully.

--
Malcolm Kane

wrote in message
...
In message ,
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On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:01:52 +0000,
wrote:

In message ,
writes
On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:38:29 +0000,
wrote:

In message ,
writes
Press Release 19th Feb 2007

SHAMEFUL ADMISSION BY SCOTLAND'S SHOOTING INDUSTRY

LEAGUE AGAINST CRUEL SPORTS CONDEMNS TREATMENT OF GAME BIRDS

The Game Conservancy Trust has admitted the welfare of many game birds
was jeopardised this season by transporting the birds hundreds of
miles in hot weather.

I was sure you had always held the view that translocation wasn't
harmful to animals.

Are you suggesting you were wrong?




Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your
rubbish,

Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or
intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't
decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to
your attempts to silence me ;-))))

I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you
realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully.


Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your
rubbish, I

Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or
intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't
decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to your
attempts to silence me ;-))))

I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you
realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully.


I really do appreciate how you take him on so bravely. It might be the best
thing to do ignore completely now, yes?

Tina

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wrote in message
...
In message ,
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On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:01:52 +0000,
wrote:

In message ,
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On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:38:29 +0000,
wrote:

In message ,
writes
Press Release 19th Feb 2007

SHAMEFUL ADMISSION BY SCOTLAND'S SHOOTING INDUSTRY

LEAGUE AGAINST CRUEL SPORTS CONDEMNS TREATMENT OF GAME BIRDS

The Game Conservancy Trust has admitted the welfare of many game birds
was jeopardised this season by transporting the birds hundreds of
miles in hot weather.

I was sure you had always held the view that translocation wasn't
harmful to animals.

Are you suggesting you were wrong?




Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your
rubbish,

Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or
intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't
decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to
your attempts to silence me ;-))))

I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you
realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully.


Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your
rubbish, I

Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or
intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't
decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to your
attempts to silence me ;-))))

I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you
realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully.


I really do appreciate how you take him on so bravely. It might be the best
thing to do ignore completely now, yes?


I am sorry but now is not the time to ignore Angus.

At the moment he is trying to coerce/bully/intimidate me into not
posting.

This I **WILL NOT** do.

I am sorry for all concerned I have suggested that kill filing the pair
of us would be best as I intend to keep on for months or years rather
than be silenced.
--
Malcolm Kane

On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 18:09:34 +0000,
wrote:

In message ,
writes
On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:01:52 +0000,
wrote:

In message ,
writes
On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:38:29 +0000,
wrote:

In message ,
writes
Press Release 19th Feb 2007

SHAMEFUL ADMISSION BY SCOTLAND'S SHOOTING INDUSTRY

LEAGUE AGAINST CRUEL SPORTS CONDEMNS TREATMENT OF GAME BIRDS

The Game Conservancy Trust has admitted the welfare of many game birds
was jeopardised this season by transporting the birds hundreds of
miles in hot weather.

I was sure you had always held the view that translocation wasn't
harmful to animals.

Are you suggesting you were wrong?




Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your
rubbish,

Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or
intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't
decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to
your attempts to silence me ;-))))

I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you
realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully.


Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your
rubbish, I

Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or
intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't
decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to
your attempts to silence me ;-))))

I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you
realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully.
Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your
rubbish, I might as well make use of the opportunity you are
providing. Not doubt you'll snip it but it'll be there the next time
:-))

See my responses to Dr Thick

Why is Dr Malcolm Ogilvie known as Dr Thick?

See the exchanges below:

_________________________________

Malcolm:
No, Angus, that's just you wriggling again. You used a specific term,
"sock-puppet", on the internet and, as that term has no meaning other
than that used on the internet, you must expect people to think that
that's the meaning you were attributing to it.

Angus:
Complete rubbish! See above.

Malcolm:
No, Angus, a fact. Unless of course you can find a definition of
sock-puppet as being the same as glove-puppet.

Angus:
From Wikipedia:

"Simple hand puppets are usually not much larger than the hand itself.
A sock puppet is a particularly simple type of hand puppet made from a
sock. A glove puppet is slightly more complex, with an internal
division for fingers allowing independent manipulation of a
character's arms.

______________________________

or prejudice like:


_____________________________

Internet posting to Malcolm Kane of Penrith from Dr Malcolm A Ogilvie


"Malcolm, it must be what a teacher feels like after trying to drum
something into the head of the dullard who is going to leave school
with a single 'O' grade. There's only so much that someone so
intellectually challenged can understand. The problem will come in
later life, when an inability to grasp concepts, not to mention be
able to understand the meanings of words, will seriously let them
down, to the point when, how ever often they are told something, they
merely repeat, as a rote, statements and claims which they think are
very telling but, in fact, were meaningless or just plain wrong the
first time, and continue to be so regardless of how many times they
are repeated. The situation will be even worse if, during their lives,
they have gained absolutely no personal knowledge of the subjects
about which they spout and thus are completely unable to comprehend
anyone who points out that their ignorance is letting them down."

Dr Malcolm A Ogilvie
Scientific Adviser to Scottish Natural Heritage
On Internet Newsgroup uk.environment.conservation
Date: Mon,18 Sept 2006 07:32;30 +0100

Comment: A nasty prejudiced and unwarranted attack on kids
leaving school with one O Grade.

___________________________

Or dimness of mind when you can't understand a question:

__________________________

Malcolm Ogilvie aka Dr Thick is confused about his measure of
intelligence.

A Macmillan: "Do you think you don't have limited intelligence?"

Dr Thick:: "What a contorted question. The answer is yes. What about
yourself?"

___________________________

Or confusion about what is natural

__________________________

Dr Malcolm Ogilvie:
"The grey squirrel, on the other hand, is an invasive non-native
introduced from North America."

Angus Macmillan:
"In perfectly natural circumstances, unless you exclude man from
nature."

Dr Malcolm Ogilvie:
"More nonsensical rubbish."

Angus Macmillan:
"Are you saying that man is outside nature and that his actions are
not natural?"

Dr Malcolm Ogilvie:
"Are you claiming that ships are natural objects?"

Angus Macmillan:
"Of course they are. They are a product of man's evolution and made
entirely of natural materials."

Dr Malcolm Ogilvie:
"LOL!!!!

You're a card, Angus, a real card :-))))

Since when have manufactured materials, for example, steel, been
"natural"?"

Angus Macmillan:
"Steel and manufacturing are products of man's evolution and consists
of entirely natural materials.

I am gob-smacked at your ignorance in this matter."

__________________________

Or when all else fails:

_________________________

Angus: Is this where you tell me to "f****" off" like the last time
Imentioned your air ambulance trip?

Malcolm: Yes, if you like. **** off, Angus.

_________________________


Which means just about everything he says is nonsense.



Angus Macmillan
www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
www.killhunting.org
www.con-servation.org.uk

All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident.
-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:05:02 -0000, "Christina Websell"
wrote:


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On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:01:52 +0000,
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In message ,
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On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:38:29 +0000,
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In message ,
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Press Release 19th Feb 2007

SHAMEFUL ADMISSION BY SCOTLAND'S SHOOTING INDUSTRY

LEAGUE AGAINST CRUEL SPORTS CONDEMNS TREATMENT OF GAME BIRDS

The Game Conservancy Trust has admitted the welfare of many game birds
was jeopardised this season by transporting the birds hundreds of
miles in hot weather.

I was sure you had always held the view that translocation wasn't
harmful to animals.

Are you suggesting you were wrong?




Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your
rubbish,

Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or
intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't
decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to
your attempts to silence me ;-))))

I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you
realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully.


Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your
rubbish, I

Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or
intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't
decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to your
attempts to silence me ;-))))

I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you
realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully.


I really do appreciate how you take him on so bravely. It might be the best
thing to do ignore completely now, yes?

Tina



Nothing brave about being stupid.


Angus Macmillan
www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
www.killhunting.org
www.con-servation.org.uk

All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident.
-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:33:59 +0000,
wrote:

In message , Christina Websell
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...
In message ,
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On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:01:52 +0000,
wrote:

In message ,
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On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:38:29 +0000,
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In message ,
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Press Release 19th Feb 2007

SHAMEFUL ADMISSION BY SCOTLAND'S SHOOTING INDUSTRY

LEAGUE AGAINST CRUEL SPORTS CONDEMNS TREATMENT OF GAME BIRDS

The Game Conservancy Trust has admitted the welfare of many game birds
was jeopardised this season by transporting the birds hundreds of
miles in hot weather.

I was sure you had always held the view that translocation wasn't
harmful to animals.

Are you suggesting you were wrong?




Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your
rubbish,

Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or
intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't
decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to
your attempts to silence me ;-))))

I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you
realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully.


Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your
rubbish, I

Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or
intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't
decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to your
attempts to silence me ;-))))

I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you
realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully.


I really do appreciate how you take him on so bravely. It might be the best
thing to do ignore completely now, yes?


I am sorry but now is not the time to ignore Angus.

At the moment he is trying to coerce/bully/intimidate me into not
posting.

I'm not trying to intimidate you Malcolm.

You seldom post any meaningful responses and just act as a sock puppet
for Dr Thick with an endless flow of garbage such as the most recent
concerning relocation. You are comparing the relocation of hedgehogs
for their own benefit with the transport of pheasant chicks by truck
where large numbers die before they reach their destination. That is
just plain stupid.


This I **WILL NOT** do.

Ok.


I am sorry for all concerned I have suggested that kill filing the pair
of us would be best as I intend to keep on for months or years rather
than be silenced.

Another stupid statement. If people do as you suggest, the effect
will be the same as not posting at all. :-))


As I have said in the past I have no objection to answering you posts
if they are not stupid sniping like the one above. And you, like
Malcolm Ogilvie are not capable of arguing your case in a coherent
manner without attacking me on a personal basis - to which I shall
respond in.kind.

I am quite happy to bring all this nonsense to a close if you are
prepared to post sensibly.

I am also not stupid enough to let this go on for "months or years".




Angus Macmillan
www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
www.killhunting.org
www.con-servation.org.uk

All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident.
-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

In message ,
writes
On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:33:59 +0000,
wrote:

In message , Christina Websell
writes

wrote in message
...
In message ,
writes
On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:01:52 +0000,
wrote:

In message ,
writes
On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:38:29 +0000,
wrote:

In message ,
writes
Press Release 19th Feb 2007

SHAMEFUL ADMISSION BY SCOTLAND'S SHOOTING INDUSTRY

LEAGUE AGAINST CRUEL SPORTS CONDEMNS TREATMENT OF GAME BIRDS

The Game Conservancy Trust has admitted the welfare of many game birds
was jeopardised this season by transporting the birds hundreds of
miles in hot weather.

I was sure you had always held the view that translocation wasn't
harmful to animals.

Are you suggesting you were wrong?




Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your
rubbish,

Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or
intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't
decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to
your attempts to silence me ;-))))

I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you
realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully.


Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your
rubbish, I

Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or
intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't
decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to your
attempts to silence me ;-))))

I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you
realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully.


I really do appreciate how you take him on so bravely. It might be the best
thing to do ignore completely now, yes?


I am sorry but now is not the time to ignore Angus.

At the moment he is trying to coerce/bully/intimidate me into not
posting.

I'm not trying to intimidate you Malcolm.

So you admit to the coercing and bullying :-))))))


You seldom post any meaningful responses and just act as a sock puppet
for Dr Thick with an endless flow of garbage such as the most recent
concerning relocation. You are comparing the relocation of hedgehogs
for their own benefit with the transport of pheasant chicks by truck
where large numbers die before they reach their destination. That is
just plain stupid.

Angus I am afraid that translocation is translocation. Calves
transported suffer sometimes from "transit fever" or shock pneumonia.

Why the animal as being moved doesn't remove the problem. The problem
remains.

You seem to think that because they are being moved "for their own good"
they will not suffer.

This is not so.


This I **WILL NOT** do.

Ok.


I am sorry for all concerned I have suggested that kill filing the pair
of us would be best as I intend to keep on for months or years rather
than be silenced.

Another stupid statement. If people do as you suggest, the effect
will be the same as not posting at all. :-))


As I have said in the past I have no objection to answering you posts
if they are not stupid sniping like the one above.

Angus I am not going to change usenet practice just because you don't
like it.

You appear to have snipped what Christina said and find that acceptable.

And you, like
Malcolm Ogilvie are not capable of arguing your case in a coherent
manner without attacking me on a personal basis - to which I shall
respond in.kind.

What personal attack have I launched?

You began the present situation by deciding that you were going to
answer all my posts with a one liner which was abusive of the person you
choose to call DR Thick.

I responded it kind.

I am quite happy that you either respond or not to my posts.

If you respond with abusive one liners etc. I will respond in kind.

If you don't respond fair enough. However when I ask a question and you
don't respond it is hard to know if you have missed the post or are
trying to avoid the post.

Can you suggest a way in which I will know?


I am quite happy to bring all this nonsense to a close if you are
prepared to post sensibly.

Angus I feel that all I do is use usenet. You have as does anyone else
the choice of responding or not.

I will respond if I feel I have a point to make or a question to ask.

If I am met by abuse to myself OR OTHERS I will respond in kind.


I am also not stupid enough to let this go on for "months or years".

Good. I however am if necessary.

Please read this carefully try to understand my point of view and then
either respond or not as you feel fit.

However I WILL NOT stop posting merely because you would like me to.

I am sorry that I have replied to a large number of posts before this.
That is due to the way my news reader presents them to me.

I shall not reply to any more of your cut and pastes in this session
until I see what sort of a reply ( or not ) I get to this post.
--
Malcolm Kane

In message ,
writes
On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:05:02 -0000, "Christina Websell"
wrote:


wrote in message
...
In message ,
writes
On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:01:52 +0000,
wrote:

In message ,
writes
On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:38:29 +0000,
wrote:

In message ,
writes
Press Release 19th Feb 2007

SHAMEFUL ADMISSION BY SCOTLAND'S SHOOTING INDUSTRY

LEAGUE AGAINST CRUEL SPORTS CONDEMNS TREATMENT OF GAME BIRDS

The Game Conservancy Trust has admitted the welfare of many game birds
was jeopardised this season by transporting the birds hundreds of
miles in hot weather.

I was sure you had always held the view that translocation wasn't
harmful to animals.

Are you suggesting you were wrong?




Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your
rubbish,

Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or
intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't
decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to
your attempts to silence me ;-))))

I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you
realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully.


Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your
rubbish, I

Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or
intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't
decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to your
attempts to silence me ;-))))

I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you
realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully.


I really do appreciate how you take him on so bravely. It might be the best
thing to do ignore completely now, yes?

Tina



Nothing brave about being stupid.


Angus I said I wouldn't reply to your cut and pastes however this isn't
cut and paste.

It is clearly the kind of post I was referring to. Abuse for the sake
of abuse. You may as well have not replied.

--
Malcolm Kane

On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 10:59:44 +0000,
wrote:

In message ,
writes
On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:33:59 +0000,
wrote:

In message , Christina Websell
writes

wrote in message
...
In message ,
writes
On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:01:52 +0000,
wrote:

In message ,
writes
On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:38:29 +0000,
wrote:

In message ,
writes
Press Release 19th Feb 2007

SHAMEFUL ADMISSION BY SCOTLAND'S SHOOTING INDUSTRY

LEAGUE AGAINST CRUEL SPORTS CONDEMNS TREATMENT OF GAME BIRDS

The Game Conservancy Trust has admitted the welfare of many game birds
was jeopardised this season by transporting the birds hundreds of
miles in hot weather.

I was sure you had always held the view that translocation wasn't
harmful to animals.

Are you suggesting you were wrong?




Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your
rubbish,

Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or
intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't
decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to
your attempts to silence me ;-))))

I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you
realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully.


Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your
rubbish, I

Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or
intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't
decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to your
attempts to silence me ;-))))

I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you
realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully.


I really do appreciate how you take him on so bravely. It might be the best
thing to do ignore completely now, yes?


I am sorry but now is not the time to ignore Angus.

At the moment he is trying to coerce/bully/intimidate me into not
posting.

I'm not trying to intimidate you Malcolm.

So you admit to the coercing and bullying :-))))))


Not at all.


You seldom post any meaningful responses and just act as a sock puppet
for Dr Thick with an endless flow of garbage such as the most recent
concerning relocation. You are comparing the relocation of hedgehogs
for their own benefit with the transport of pheasant chicks by truck
where large numbers die before they reach their destination. That is
just plain stupid.

Angus I am afraid that translocation is translocation. Calves
transported suffer sometimes from "transit fever" or shock pneumonia.


Not for their own good.

Why the animal as being moved doesn't remove the problem. The problem
remains.

Not at all. The reason behind the removal determines whether it is a
problem or not.


You seem to think that because they are being moved "for their own good"
they will not suffer.


It has been shown that the hedgehogs don't.

This is not so.

See above.



This I **WILL NOT** do.

Ok.


I am sorry for all concerned I have suggested that kill filing the pair
of us would be best as I intend to keep on for months or years rather
than be silenced.

Another stupid statement. If people do as you suggest, the effect
will be the same as not posting at all. :-))



I see you haven't answered this because you probably realise how
stupid you are being by backing yourself into a corner like this :-))


As I have said in the past I have no objection to answering you posts
if they are not stupid sniping like the one above.

Angus I am not going to change usenet practice just because you don't
like it.


I'm not asking you to change usenet practice, merely to look at the
responses I've given to Dr Thick.


You appear to have snipped what Christina said and find that acceptable.


No I haven't . This is a separate post

And you, like
Malcolm Ogilvie are not capable of arguing your case in a coherent
manner without attacking me on a personal basis - to which I shall
respond in.kind.

What personal attack have I launched?


On many occasions you falsely attack me rather than the issue,
"intellectually challenged" springs to mind among a host of other
denigrating descriptions because I challenge the fake
conservationists.

You began the present situation by deciding that you were going to
answer all my posts with a one liner which was abusive of the person you
choose to call DR Thick.


Sure because I was responding to Dr Thick and said to you "See my
responses to Dr Thick" You're not Dr Thick's keeper or protector. I
certainly wasn't abusing you.

And Dr Thick abuses me on many occasions which you seem to ignore.

I responded it kind.

I am quite happy that you either respond or not to my posts.

If you respond with abusive one liners etc. I will respond in kind.

But I'm not abusing you. I'm referring you to my responses to Dr
Thick.



If you don't respond fair enough. However when I ask a question and you
don't respond it is hard to know if you have missed the post or are
trying to avoid the post.

That's why I responded.


Can you suggest a way in which I will know?


By seeing my response that refers you to my responses to Dr thick.


I am quite happy to bring all this nonsense to a close if you are
prepared to post sensibly.

Angus I feel that all I do is use usenet. You have as does anyone else
the choice of responding or not.

Which I have been doing and not abusing you.


I will respond if I feel I have a point to make or a question to ask.


So will I.


If I am met by abuse to myself OR OTHERS I will respond in kind.


So are you setting yourself up as this ng's protector?

Or just a sock puppet for Dr Thick?


I am also not stupid enough to let this go on for "months or years".

Good. I however am if necessary.

So you're stupid enough?


Please read this carefully try to understand my point of view and then
either respond or not as you feel fit.

However I WILL NOT stop posting merely because you would like me to.

Nor me. And if I think it is fitting to refer you to my responses to
another poster.


I am sorry that I have replied to a large number of posts before this.
That is due to the way my news reader presents them to me.

I shall not reply to any more of your cut and pastes in this session
until I see what sort of a reply ( or not ) I get to this post.

Good, so I shan't respond to your until I get an answer.

But before all this I would like you to consider the responses I have
copied and pasted about Malcolm Ogilvie.

He is a PhD and advisor for a leading government agency and yet comes
away with some amazing garbage. In my view that qualifies me for
calling him Dr Thick and I don't consider it abuse; it is merely a
label he has well and truly earned.

The one smart thing he's done in the past few days is leave you to
carry the can of repetitive posting which he sensibly abandoned after
one day :-))

Do you never feel used?




Angus Macmillan
www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
www.killhunting.org
www.con-servation.org.uk

All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident.
-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 10:59:51 +0000,
wrote:

In message ,
writes
On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:05:02 -0000, "Christina Websell"
wrote:


wrote in message
...
In message ,
writes
On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:01:52 +0000,
wrote:

In message ,
writes
On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:38:29 +0000,
wrote:

In message ,
writes
Press Release 19th Feb 2007

SHAMEFUL ADMISSION BY SCOTLAND'S SHOOTING INDUSTRY

LEAGUE AGAINST CRUEL SPORTS CONDEMNS TREATMENT OF GAME BIRDS

The Game Conservancy Trust has admitted the welfare of many game birds
was jeopardised this season by transporting the birds hundreds of
miles in hot weather.

I was sure you had always held the view that translocation wasn't
harmful to animals.

Are you suggesting you were wrong?




Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your
rubbish,

Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or
intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't
decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to
your attempts to silence me ;-))))

I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you
realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully.


Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your
rubbish, I

Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or
intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't
decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to your
attempts to silence me ;-))))

I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you
realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully.


I really do appreciate how you take him on so bravely. It might be the best
thing to do ignore completely now, yes?

Tina



Nothing brave about being stupid.


Angus I said I wouldn't reply to your cut and pastes however this isn't
cut and paste.

It is clearly the kind of post I was referring to. Abuse for the sake
of abuse. You may as well have not replied.

I think it is rather stupid and very little to do with bravery.

I think Tina's trying to let you down lightly.


Angus Macmillan
www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
www.killhunting.org
www.con-servation.org.uk

All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident.
-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)