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#16
17-02-2007, 05:50 PM
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Aggression AGAIN :-(((((
"Sacha" wrote in message
. uk... On 17/2/07 15:34, in article , "La Puce" wrote: On 16 Feb, 18:03, "'Mike'" wrote: well you wouldn't agree and give praise if it was would you? So why reply? Just HOW nasty CAN you get? :-((((( Don't worry Mike and thank you for your support. As I said I've found Jackman's, the variety she said she never heard of, nor her husband Ray, nor her books nor google. And Charlie advised her to see at Burncoose - and they've got it. Mind boggle ... http://www.burncoose.co.uk Charlie did not advise me to see that variety at Burncoose, he advised me to snip a load of 'I am an expert' stuff :-((((( Hackles raised :-(( AGGRESSION once again in urg and just look who is in the middle of it :-(( Off we go. I wonder just how many 'rounds' this one goes to! I know one thing, 'Lady' Sacha will have the last word, she just HAS to. You watch. Bets anybody? :-)) Mike -- .................................................. ......... Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association www.rnshipmates.co.uk www.nsrafa.com |
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#18
17-02-2007, 05:56 PM
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*Very* clingy rosemary
On 17 Feb, 16:43, Sacha wrote:
Charlie did not advise me to see that variety at Burncoose, he advised me to ask which they have in their car park. That remark is extremely misleading. You said you've never heard of Jackmans', that your husband Ray has never heard of it, that google don't show it and that your books don't have it. That means you think I'm talking bollox again. I've found the Jackman's at Burncoose because they sell it and that's the one they have in their carpark. But that is not even sufficient for you. I have grown lavenders and rosemaries all my life in England and in France. And in France my grand dad had so many varieties I have learnt to distinguish them from their flowers and leaves and then their growing habit. That's why I asked you about the leaves. Do you want some proof or are you going to continually confront me with your unfounded remarks? We can all see that I had given you 5 differents prostratus rosemaries, 2 could be the one of the one you are looking for. You didn't know about Jackman's and hold and behold it's the one the nursery Charlie mentioned has in their car park and has for sale. So you were WRONG. You are cornered and you still go on and on. On food.uk.misc you are arguing constantly and when you are done with your vile remarks you move back in here and start again. Then you go on away and it's nice here. But then you come back and we all have to revolve around Mr and Mrs Hubbard who know everything. But this time you didn't. You are a trully horrible and sad woman and we can all see your demented attitude. Carry on Hubbard, it's really funny actually. ps. My RSH Herbs encyclopedia has Jackman's. Amazing isn't it. |
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#19
17-02-2007, 07:05 PM
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*Very* clingy rosemary
On 17 Feb, 16:51, Sacha wrote:
There is no photograph of that variety available, Burncoose don't show it in their catalogue, nor do they name it as a new variety, so it's possible it's an unknown one they've named themselves. Sacha, if it's a new variety they'd say it's a new variety. As you say, if it's they own then it would show as a new variety and they would say so. Make your mind up and stop tip toeing around this. You were wrong to put me down so quickly. Move on now. That should read Burncoose *does* show it..... What are you talking about now? Are they showing it or are they not?!?!? I don't understand you nor do I want to frankly. You're too much. |
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#20
17-02-2007, 07:08 PM
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*Very* clingy rosemary
On 17/2/07 16:56, in article
, "La Puce" wrote: On 17 Feb, 16:43, Sacha wrote: Charlie did not advise me to see that variety at Burncoose, he advised me to ask which they have in their car park. That remark is extremely misleading. You said you've never heard of Jackmans', that your husband Ray has never heard of it, that google don't show it and that your books don't have it. That means you think I'm talking bollox again. I've found the Jackman's at Burncoose because they sell it and that's the one they have in their carpark. If you persist in calling a plant by the wrong name, people cannot find it. You still call this plant "Jackman's", which is not its name. Charlie suggested I ask Burncoose which rosemary they have in their car park and I have done so. Neither Charlie nor Burncoose - yet - have told me this is R. "Jackman's Prostrate". If it is the one our friends have, all well and good but if it is not, all your jumping up and down is to no avail. You expect me to take your word for the name of a plant neither of us has seen at Burncoose but which I *might* have seen growing in a garden you have never been to! That is not how plant identification works. I am wary of accepting that name for it because it is the name given to it by few (two?) nurseries and because it is not named as a new discovery or breed. This makes me think that whoever had it first simply didn't know what it was and called it after the person who gave it to them, or found it in their garden, or while on holiday etc. That's not unusual and it happens a LOT but it also means this plant might be known by another name altogether, for longer and more correctly. This is ALL I have been trying, fruitlessly, to get over to you. But that is not even sufficient for you. I have grown lavenders and rosemaries all my life in England and in France. My husband has grown more plants than you've ever seen - over 3000 here alone - but he would never boast as you do or claim to know for certain the identity of a possibly mis-identified variety he had never actually laid eyes on. You haven't even *seen* this rosemary in our friends' garden but now you're an expert on it - please apply a bit of common sense! And in France my grand dad had so many varieties I have learnt to distinguish them from their flowers and leaves and then their growing habit. That's why I asked you about the leaves. Are you telling me your grandfather grew R. "Jackman's Prostrate" in France, so that is how you recognised it from my description when even its owners don't know what it is? Do you want some proof or are you going to continually confront me with your unfounded remarks? We can all see that I had given you 5 differents prostratus rosemaries, 2 could be the one of the one you are looking for. You didn't know about Jackman's and hold and behold it's the one the nursery Charlie mentioned has in their car park and has for sale. So you were WRONG. Oh god, here we go again. You gave me some which were absolutely incapable of being the one I'm seeking. This is not convincing. You have now gone back to your old trick of losing your temper when your holy writ is not accepted and swallowed wholesale. I have *already said* that the variety our friends have may yet turn out to be the one you name but I have also said that I am not convinced the name is correct and carefully explained why. (The variety you're harping on about is not called "Jackman's", for the umpteenth time and that is why I couldn't find it - your sloppiness, not mine) You are cornered and you still go on and on. On food.uk.misc you are arguing constantly and when you are done with your vile remarks you move back in here and start again. Then you go on away and it's nice here. But then you come back and we all have to revolve around Mr and Mrs Hubbard who know everything. But this time you didn't. That last remark is very revealing about you, Helene. You would like this group to revolve around you but because most people have you kill filed, even you have complained of being given the cold shoulder. So all you're doing here is going on to prove why that is the case. You do not contribute to uk.food and it is nothing to do with you, other than your background stirring, of course. The sad fact for you Puce, is that unlike you, I neither claim nor pretend to know everything. Your past record here makes anyone with a grain of sense be wary of what you say. You are a trully horrible and sad woman and we can all see your demented attitude. Carry on Hubbard, it's really funny actually. And off she goes with the insults and the adolescent foot stamp. Because I do not accept your every word you become angry and silly and even less credible. And I'm the one that's supposed to be demented..... ps. My RSH Herbs encyclopedia has Jackman's. Amazing isn't it. It has been sent to the Plant Finder, that's why. I wish that, before you give us another display of your loss of temper, I could get this through to you! That does not mean it's a different variety nobody other than Burncoose and one other has, nor does it mean that it's the one I'm seeking an ID for. It might be, it might not. Time will tell. What it does mean is that Burncoose calls it that. This happens elsewhere, too. It might be the true and proper name or it might be something a Mr Jackman or Son of Mr Jackman gave them or someone else, from a plant he discovered in e.g. Crete in 2004 or 1921. As I said earlier, if you bothered to read my posts properly, I haven't seen this particular plant in Salcombe for about a year and when I can I will photograph it and post a photo and a more particular description. Perhaps you don't know how the Plant Finder and the contribution of entries to it, works. The RHS does its absolutely scrupulous best to ensure things are named correctly but it really is not possible for them - or nurseries - to check each plant individually, especially if it has passed from hand to hand over the years and its true name has been forgotten or it has been left out of the Plant Finder for some reason and for some time. When 're-discovered', it might be given another name altogether. For example, there are a lot of old apple trees unknown and unidentified, AIUI. For example, the Lonicera I mentioned in an earlier post, was sent to Wisley but the ID they sent back for it was absolutely nothing like the one we have so we cannot in all conscience enter it into the Plant Finder under any name other than our own; a friend gave Ray a Canna that he had brought back from Lesotho but didn't know and Ray - in jest - called it Canna 'Lesotho Lil'. One of our staff sold it to someone who turned out to be another nurseryman who put it in the Plant Finder as C. 'Lesotho Lil' and he had every right to do so. It's in there under that name attached to this nursery, too. If you took it to the experts and spent quite a bit of money on researching it in the field etc., it might turn out to be something quite different but that just doesn't happen. People only spend a lot of money on the provenance of plants for which they are seeking PBR. And frankly, most customers simply don't care what a plant's provenance is, if they like the plant. In the meantime, I suggest you check this tantrum before it goes any further and you end up in even more kill files. All you're doing is reminding those who haven't kill filed you why it is that others have. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/ (remove weeds from address) |
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#21
17-02-2007, 07:26 PM
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*Very* clingy rosemary
"Sacha" wrote in message
. uk... In the meantime, I suggest you check this tantrum Might I respectfully suggest that you take advice and treatment for your aggression? Your display shows just why you kill file people you cannot 'control' :-(( La Puce, don't let this woman control you. Let her kill file you and show just how little control she has over her own temper. Sad for a woman of her age :-(( First stages of senile dementia I wonder? Mike -- .................................................. ......... Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association www.rnshipmates.co.uk www.nsrafa.com |
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#22
17-02-2007, 07:32 PM
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*Very* clingy rosemary
On 17 Feb, 18:08, Sacha wrote:
If you persist in calling a plant by the wrong name, people cannot find it. You still call this plant "Jackman's", which is not its name. Charlie suggested I ask Burncoose which rosemary they have in their car park and I have done so. Neither Charlie nor Burncoose - yet - have told me this is R. "Jackman's Prostrate". If it is the one our friends have, all well and good but if it is not, all your jumping up and down is to no avail. (light pruning) Sacha - it's fine. You need to also calm down. I understand what you are getting at now. Put simply, I get it see, but if you don't tell me what you mean, then I won't know. Not yet psychic but also I don't have your knowledge. Yet. Give me a couple of decades. You are now saying that the RHS plant finder has the wrong named plant in it. Thank god you're here. That's all I have to say. As for boasting - I don't do it more than you, beleive me. However, before you tell us that your customers wouldn't care less about the provenance of their plants and you boasting about your god daughter activities in Totnes, perhaps she'd care to know, prior to inviting Paul Mobbs and Kate Dooley, who I happen to have met, that you sell regardless of provenance. Ho, but you don't, your husband does. Silly me. I get so confused to what you actually do in that nursery. What do you actually do?! As for the killfiling - you've done a good job there. Telling people to kill file others is indeed a great pass time of yours. It's easier than being found out incorrect or are we just a little bit too controlling here?! By the way, a few have stopped even reading you if you must know. Hope you find your plant - I couldn't care less anymore. |
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#23
17-02-2007, 07:36 PM
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Aggression AGAIN :-(((((
"Anne Jackson" wrote in message
... The message from "'Mike'" contains these words: Bets anybody? :-)) Not a chance! -- AnneJ Very wise :-)) Mike -- .................................................. ......... Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association www.rnshipmates.co.uk www.nsrafa.com |
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#24
17-02-2007, 07:49 PM
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Aggression AGAIN :-(((((
On 17 Feb, 18:00, Anne Jackson wrote:
Not a chance! Get the popcorns out Anne, there's something better on telly I think ;o) Which reminds me, does anybody wants some Calico Indian sweet corn seeds? From having mentioned around that I'd like the multi coloured corns, I got flooded with them (from secret santas to friends and family). Some come from the states, some from www.roguelands.com, others from France. Let me know - I'll post them free of any costs. My pleasure really ;o) |
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#25
17-02-2007, 08:11 PM
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On 17/2/07 18:32, in article
, "La Puce" wrote: On 17 Feb, 18:08, Sacha wrote: If you persist in calling a plant by the wrong name, people cannot find it. You still call this plant "Jackman's", which is not its name. Charlie suggested I ask Burncoose which rosemary they have in their car park and I have done so. Neither Charlie nor Burncoose - yet - have told me this is R. "Jackman's Prostrate". If it is the one our friends have, all well and good but if it is not, all your jumping up and down is to no avail. (light pruning) Sacha - it's fine. You need to also calm down. I understand what you are getting at now. Put simply, I get it see, but if you don't tell me what you mean, then I won't know. Not yet psychic but also I don't have your knowledge. Yet. Give me a couple of decades. You are now saying that the RHS plant finder has the wrong named plant in it. Thank god you're here. That's all I have to say. Maybe incorrectly named. Only maybe. Maybe it's a new sport - who knows? You don't but you are *determined* to ram it down my throat when all I'm trying to do is be a bit cautious. Are you saying that you're not aware that plants are sometimes incorrectly misattributed and that when that is discovered, corrections are made? Really? You've never seen that in the Plant Finder? I could not find that plant because you didn't give its correct name - you missed out the 'prostrate' bit which was the final, essential component. As you know, people can only identify plants by their Latin names if they get the whole story and Latin names make it easier for everyone to know what they're talking about or looking for. As for boasting - I don't do it more than you, beleive me. However, before you tell us that your customers wouldn't care less about the provenance of their plants and you boasting about your god daughter activities in Totnes, perhaps she'd care to know, prior to inviting Paul Mobbs and Kate Dooley, who I happen to have met, that you sell regardless of provenance. What on earth are you talking about? My god daughter talked to us about these matters and meeting one of those involved (not those you name). Knowing that they lie within the interest of some people who are here, I posted some detail about it. This is 'showing off'? She isn't 'inviting' anyone here or anywhere else. It has nothing to do with me at all so once again, you have not read a post properly. You do this over and over again and then it's everyone else's fault but yours. Ho, but you don't, your husband does. Silly me. I get so confused to what you actually do in that nursery. What do you actually do?! What I do here is nothing that need concern you, Helene. Just as what you do at URBED Manchester, doesn't interest me or anyone else. But here we are - you're trying once more to denigrate my husband's business. I really don't know what's wrong with you and I don't care but you have taken my words and a well-meant piece of information that could, in fact, be useful to you and twisted it to libel this business. I do assure you that if you continue on that line, you will most certainly be brought to book for it. You simply cannot take on board information. Any nursery that tells you it knows that a lily from Lesotho is *precisely* x, y or z is not being truthful. If, OTOH, you prefer to be lied to by someone who does gives you that assurance, then you will be duped and serve you right. Your plant knowledge is not great and it's certainly not improving with this attitude of "Miss Never Wrong". As for the killfiling - you've done a good job there. Telling people to kill file others is indeed a great pass time of yours. It's easier than being found out incorrect or are we just a little bit too controlling here?! By the way, a few have stopped even reading you if you must know. No, Helene, everyone who answered me before and was interesting to me, still does so. Those who don't are no loss, frankly. I don't advise kill filing, other than the persistent trolls who post about unrelated matters, quite the contrary. I think every member of a group should be aware of the mischief being made on it by people like you. So I read everyone who posts to this group on a regular and group-orientated basis, unfortunately for you. You have relied on being in peoples' kill files in the past so as to do your nasty worst - doesn't work with me, I'm afraid. Hope you find your plant - I couldn't care less anymore. Tsk. From this I think we may deduce that you've been taught something you really don't want to learn from someone you don't wish to listen to. Your loss. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/ (remove weeds from address) |
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17-02-2007, 08:13 PM
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"Sacha" wrote in message
. uk... Doesn't give up does she? What a sad sad woman :-((( More to be pitied than blamed? Mike -- .................................................. ......... Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association www.rnshipmates.co.uk www.nsrafa.com |
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#27
17-02-2007, 08:27 PM
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On 17 Feb, 19:11, Sacha wrote:
Maybe incorrectly named. Only maybe. Maybe it's a new sport - who knows? You don't but you are *determined* to ram it down my throat when all I'm trying to do is be a bit cautious. Are you saying that you're not aware that plants are sometimes incorrectly misattributed and that when that is discovered, corrections are made? Really? You've never seen that in the Plant Finder? I could not find that plant because you didn't give its correct name - you missed out the 'prostrate' bit which was the final, essential component. As you know, people can only identify plants by their Latin names if they get the whole story and Latin names make it easier for everyone to know what they're talking about or looking for. Sacha it's enough now. I've said 3 times prostatus rosemaries, I've given you 5 possibilities, I've told you the one I have, I've mentioned Jackman's and blue rain, both are really creeping, scrambling, climbing rosemaries R.prostratus VARIETY Jackmans' and Blue Rain, I've told you where to find them, you told me one didn't exsisted, I prooved you wrong, I've told you what I thought and your reply to me was 'Not remotely close to what blablabla....'. And now 'maybe', 'couldn't find it because of wrong name'? What wrong name? I've said prostratus rosemarinus - plus two different varieties. Now **** off. |
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#28
17-02-2007, 08:33 PM
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On 17 Feb, 19:05, Jennifer Sparkes wrote:
I read this to mean that Sacha's god daughter had dropped by with a brochure that she had _picked up_ in Totnes, _not_ that Sacha's god daughter was organising it. Goes to show how differently one can read threads or even read things into threads! I am not saying my interpretation is the right one - just this is how I saw it. I guess it is a case of the written word being easier to misunderstand than the spoken one! Sure. You're right. Sorry. It could indeed be. I suggest a couple of things and I get barked at and then it never ends because it goes on about previous querels etc. and I get so put down all the time, and if the post start nice it gets nasty as you read it. It's crazy. Best be ignored. Right now I've got a delicious chicken to eat - made a curry sauce with prawns for it. Bon appetit. |
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#29
18-02-2007, 12:59 AM
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"Sacha" wrote in message . uk... On 17/2/07 16:56, in article , "La Puce" wrote: On 17 Feb, 16:43, Sacha wrote: Charlie did not advise me to see that variety at Burncoose, he advised me to ask which they have in their car park. That remark is extremely misleading. You said you've never heard of Jackmans', that your husband Ray has never heard of it, that google don't show it and that your books don't have it. That means you think I'm talking bollox again. I've found the Jackman's at Burncoose because they sell it and that's the one they have in their carpark. If you persist in calling a plant by the wrong name, people cannot find it. You still call this plant "Jackman's", which is not its name. Charlie suggested I ask Burncoose which rosemary they have in their car park and I have done so. I don't know why you bother responding to La Puke! Alan |
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18-02-2007, 02:23 AM
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