Ivy is destroying boundry fence panels
trouble is, the roots are in the neighbours ground but run under the fence
and grow in my side (the sunny side)

I've cut 2 inch gaps near the base, but the bloody stuff just comes back
larger than life

Any potions, weed killers, old wives methods worth trying to kil this off
right to the tip of the roots ?

thanks in advance

--
Vass
................................................
'02 YZF-R1

"Vass" wrote in message
...
Ivy is destroying boundry fence panels
trouble is, the roots are in the neighbours ground but run under the fence
and grow in my side (the sunny side)

I've cut 2 inch gaps near the base, but the bloody stuff just comes back
larger than life

Any potions, weed killers, old wives methods worth trying to kil this off
right to the tip of the roots ?


Roundup good and strong.
And before the nay-sayers say it doesn't work, I can post photo evidence.

--
Mike W

On Tue, 30 May 2006 16:26:44 +0100, Vass wrote
(in article ):

Ivy is destroying boundry fence panels
trouble is, the roots are in the neighbours ground but run under the fence
and grow in my side (the sunny side)

I've cut 2 inch gaps near the base, but the bloody stuff just comes back
larger than life

Any potions, weed killers, old wives methods worth trying to kil this off
right to the tip of the roots ?


Presumably you've talked to the neighbours and asked them to deal with their
plant? Who owns the fence? If it's you, you can tell them - if they're
uncooperative - that you will make them responsible for its replacement when
their plant destroys it. But it will be better for you if you can take a
soft but effective approach - falling out with neighbours probably isn't
worth a bit of ivy, however irritating.
Before you take the risk of spraying the ivy with a weed killer, is it
growing into a flower bed where your own plants might be harmed? (Beware of
advice from people who don't know anything about gardening!) If so, spray
the inside of a plastic bag with your weed killer of choice, bundle up as
many ivy tips as you can into it, firmly knot the top and leave for several
weeks. The weed killer should find its way back to the roots of the ivy. In
the flower bed scenario, the idea is to keep the weed killer off the plants
you love and cherish. In a no flower bed scenario spray it, or use a
paint-on weed killer. Whatever you choose to do, do it on a still, calm day.
The very faintest breath of air will cause the spray to drift.



--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
email address on web site

On Tue, 30 May 2006 17:01:56 GMT, "VisionSet"
wrote:


"Vass" wrote in message
...
Ivy is destroying boundry fence panels
trouble is, the roots are in the neighbours ground but run under the fence
and grow in my side (the sunny side)

I've cut 2 inch gaps near the base, but the bloody stuff just comes back
larger than life

Any potions, weed killers, old wives methods worth trying to kil this off
right to the tip of the roots ?


Roundup good and strong.
And before the nay-sayers say it doesn't work, I can post photo evidence.


'Root-out' (ammonium sulphamate) also works


--
Chris

E-mail: christopher[dot]hogg[at]virgin[dot]net

"Sacha Hubbard" wrote in message
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(Beware of advice from people who don't know anything about gardening!)

I do, I was being modest!
As you should well know, Glyphosate only affects the plant you treat and is
deactivated on contact with soil. I used to be an analytical chemist also,
so you could even say I'm an expert.

--
Mike W

"Sacha Hubbard" wrote in message
al.net...

If so, spray
the inside of a plastic bag with your weed killer of choice, bundle up as
many ivy tips as you can into it, firmly knot the top and leave for
several
weeks. The weed killer should find its way back to the roots of the ivy.
In
the flower bed scenario, the idea is to keep the weed killer off the
plants
you love and cherish. In a no flower bed scenario spray it, or use a
paint-on weed killer. Whatever you choose to do, do it on a still, calm
day. The very faintest breath of air will cause the spray to drift.

You don't actually have to be quite as anal as that. The pragmatic approach
is to whack what you don't want directly and quickly. Any drift is going to
get other plants yes, but a tiny percentage of the dose is not going to harm
them. I've never so much as noticed affects let alone killed anything I
cherish. Of course if you've got all the time in the world then you can be
as anal as you like.

--
Mike W

VisionSet wrote:
"Sacha Hubbard" wrote in message
al.net...

If so, spray
the inside of a plastic bag with your weed killer of choice, bundle up as
many ivy tips as you can into it, firmly knot the top and leave for
several
weeks. The weed killer should find its way back to the roots of the ivy.
In
the flower bed scenario, the idea is to keep the weed killer off the
plants
you love and cherish. In a no flower bed scenario spray it, or use a
paint-on weed killer. Whatever you choose to do, do it on a still, calm
day. The very faintest breath of air will cause the spray to drift.

You don't actually have to be quite as anal as that. The pragmatic approach
is to whack what you don't want directly and quickly. Any drift is going to
get other plants yes, but a tiny percentage of the dose is not going to harm
them. I've never so much as noticed affects let alone killed anything I
cherish. Of course if you've got all the time in the world then you can be
as anal as you like.

Famous last words. I won't say which orifice they came out of, but you
seem familiar with it.

--
Mike.

On Tue, 30 May 2006 23:07:18 +0100, VisionSet wrote
(in article ):


"Sacha Hubbard" wrote in message
al.net...

(Beware of advice from people who don't know anything about gardening!)

I do, I was being modest!
As you should well know, Glyphosate only affects the plant you treat and is
deactivated on contact with soil. I used to be an analytical chemist also,
so you could even say I'm an expert.

--
Mike W



That does not make you an expert at gardening, though. If you have wide
flower beds with a mass of close planting in them, there is a danger from
weed killers affecting other plants nearby. That is why urglers recommend
the plastic bag method, first mentioned here by Judith Lea, I think. If,
OTOH, you're the sort of gardener who likes to leave bare earth around each
plant, you're probably safe using glyphosate or using it under e.g. a
specimen tree or shrub, planted alone.

--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
email address on web site

On Wed, 31 May 2006 00:08:59 +0100, Mike Lyle wrote
(in article . com):


VisionSet wrote:
"Sacha Hubbard" wrote in message
al.net...

If so, spray
the inside of a plastic bag with your weed killer of choice, bundle up as
many ivy tips as you can into it, firmly knot the top and leave for
several
weeks. The weed killer should find its way back to the roots of the ivy.
In
the flower bed scenario, the idea is to keep the weed killer off the
plants
you love and cherish. In a no flower bed scenario spray it, or use a
paint-on weed killer. Whatever you choose to do, do it on a still, calm
day. The very faintest breath of air will cause the spray to drift.

You don't actually have to be quite as anal as that. The pragmatic approach
is to whack what you don't want directly and quickly. Any drift is going to
get other plants yes, but a tiny percentage of the dose is not going to harm
them. I've never so much as noticed affects let alone killed anything I
cherish. Of course if you've got all the time in the world then you can be
as anal as you like.

Famous last words. I won't say which orifice they came out of, but you
seem familiar with it.



Quite. A friend and customer used some on a persistent growth of buttercups
in a corner near a flower bed. It was indeed a totally still, calm day and
nonetheless some plants a foot or so away were 'caught'. They haven't been
killed off but some of the leaves look far from their best! Knowing the
components of something doesn't necessarily mean knowing the best way to use
it. I wonder how many times we've seen posts on urg from people who have
accidentally caught a cherished plant with a bit of weed killer.

--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
email address on web site

In article ,
"VisionSet" writes:
|
| I do, I was being modest!
| As you should well know, Glyphosate only affects the plant you treat and is
| deactivated on contact with soil. I used to be an analytical chemist also,
| so you could even say I'm an expert.

Doubtless. I could also say that Tony Blair is an expert on constitutional
reform.

As you will know, deactivation is not necessarily irreversible or entirely
neutral. The questions are what the glyphosate reacts with, how that
complex is degraded (including whether its binding can be reversed), what
it degrades into, and so on until the final results have clearly understood
properties (which effectively means only things that occur commonly and
naturally).

A few years ago, I spent some time trying to track this little lot down,
and didn't get very far. If the answers were known, they didn't appear
to be published anywhere that was widely abstracted.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On Wed, 31 May 2006 08:54:46 +0100, Nick Maclaren wrote
(in article ):


In article ,
"VisionSet" writes:

I do, I was being modest!
As you should well know, Glyphosate only affects the plant you treat and is
deactivated on contact with soil. I used to be an analytical chemist also,
so you could even say I'm an expert.

Doubtless. I could also say that Tony Blair is an expert on constitutional
reform.

snip

Splutter!! That was *exactly* the gist of Ray's reaction when I mentioned
this thread to him!


--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
email address on web site

"Sacha Hubbard" wrote in message
al.net...

I wonder how many times we've seen posts on urg from people who have
accidentally caught a cherished plant with a bit of weed killer.


Well you have to weigh up lifes short cuts with the occasional cock ups
don't you. Apply enough common sense and you minimise the latter.

--
Mike W

"VisionSet" wrote in message
...

"Sacha Hubbard" wrote in message
al.net...

I wonder how many times we've seen posts on urg from people who have
accidentally caught a cherished plant with a bit of weed killer.


Well you have to weigh up lifes short cuts with the occasional cock ups
don't you. Apply enough common sense and you minimise the latter.

--
Mike W


It is be hoped you did not apply any of your lifes short cuts when signing
"certificates of analysis" whilst performing pesticide residual analysis:-)

"Sacha Hubbard" wrote in message
al.net...
On Tue, 30 May 2006 16:26:44 +0100, Vass wrote
(in article ):

Ivy is destroying boundry fence panels
trouble is, the roots are in the neighbours ground but run under the
fence
and grow in my side (the sunny side)

I've cut 2 inch gaps near the base, but the bloody stuff just comes back
larger than life

Any potions, weed killers, old wives methods worth trying to kil this off
right to the tip of the roots ?


Presumably you've talked to the neighbours and asked them to deal with
their
plant? Who owns the fence? If it's you, you can tell them - if they're
uncooperative - that you will make them responsible for its replacement
when
their plant destroys it. But it will be better for you if you can take a
soft but effective approach - falling out with neighbours probably isn't
worth a bit of ivy, however irritating.
Before you take the risk of spraying the ivy with a weed killer, is it
growing into a flower bed where your own plants might be harmed?

they have just replaced 5 panels and a nice job they did of it too, but they
left the ivy in the ground

The land my side is very dead anyway due to 2 huge trees being felled and no
light on the soil
for decades, so no worries about killing anything, and its just laylandai
his side of the fence
so I dont care if they die :-)

I'm decking my side, once this ivy is removed

thanks for the info all
--
Vass

"Rupert (W.Yorkshire)" wrote in message
...



It is be hoped you did not apply any of your lifes short cuts when signing
"certificates of analysis" whilst performing pesticide residual
analysis:-)

Oh no, I was mainly involved in pharmaceuticals...

--
Mike W