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"Rupert \(W.Yorkshire\)" writes:
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| Daft as it seems I would guess that lard could cause less harm than some of
| the gear contained in a few hair formulations.

I fail to see why that seems daft. Lard is a traditional grease, used
for cosmetic and medical purposes.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Rupert \(W.Yorkshire\)" writes:
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| Daft as it seems I would guess that lard could cause less harm than
some of
| the gear contained in a few hair formulations.

I fail to see why that seems daft. Lard is a traditional grease, used
for cosmetic and medical purposes.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

By definition lards are of variable chemical composition. Its easier and
requires less testing to use a plethora of alternative synthetic products
for pharmaceutical and cosmetic preparations many of which are derived from
lard.
When you ask your colleagues to comb lard through their hair they may think
you a bit eccentric, ga-ga or just plain daft:-)

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I stand to be corrected, but as I understand it, the main determinant
of hair condition - which presumably includes shiny hair, is diet
What's ingested rather than whats applied externally.

That's a bit like saying the main ingredient of a beautiful model's
complexion is diet. These days, it's down to the coating she applied to
her skin. Same with hair. You can eat lots of oily fish and nuts; or,
you can apply conditioners and polishers (during washing, or after it,
or after it dried) which build up a surface sheen/ shine. Hairdressers
use many different finishing-conditioners and "hair polishers". (If you
don't ask what they put on, you'll never be able to recreate the
fabulous new look you walk out with). Quite often one sees people who
overdid it with the glosser and their hair looks as if it was recently
dipped in a chip pan.

Janet


Yebbut, that can't account for black cats and labradors with
glossy coats, who are only ever fed on a traditional diet,
can it?

What's more with cats and dogs being lower down, their coats are
more subject to pollution from the likes of cars exhausts,
than is human hair. Which is at least 5 feet higher off
the ground

And yet strangely enough nobody ever suggests washing the
cat with Garnier Balsom or Fructis "because he's worth it"
do they ? No. All the cat ever gets, even if he doesn't
actually need it, is extra oil in his Friskies. And yet
he spends half his time sitting under cars in the road.

And yet nobody ever suggests humans should maintain
glossy hair by simply taking an inexpensive oil capsule
every day, do they? Actually it would be interesting
to find out if anyone, at least since the Victorians
who had a pill for everything, has ever promoted a
dietry supplement specifically for the hair.

More especialy when they can gouge rather more out of the
more credulous, by selling them detergent replete with
unecessarily expensive ingredients, just "because they're
worth it".


michael adams

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"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Rupert \(W.Yorkshire\)" writes:
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| Daft as it seems I would guess that lard could cause less harm than
some of
| the gear contained in a few hair formulations.

I fail to see why that seems daft. Lard is a traditional grease, used
for cosmetic and medical purposes.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

And highly nutritious as well.


Viz T shirt -

They're Happy
Because they eat
LARD


Sorry sold out - Spring Collection 1994



michael adams

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michael adams writes


Yebbut, that can't account for black cats and labradors with
glossy coats, who are only ever fed on a traditional diet,
can it?

What's more with cats and dogs being lower down, their coats are
more subject to pollution from the likes of cars exhausts,
than is human hair. Which is at least 5 feet higher off
the ground

And yet strangely enough nobody ever suggests washing the
cat with Garnier Balsom or Fructis "because he's worth it"
do they ? No. All the cat ever gets, even if he doesn't
actually need it, is extra oil in his Friskies. And yet
he spends half his time sitting under cars in the road.

And yet nobody ever suggests humans should maintain
glossy hair by simply taking an inexpensive oil capsule
every day, do they? Actually it would be interesting
to find out if anyone, at least since the Victorians
who had a pill for everything, has ever promoted a
dietry supplement specifically for the hair.

More especialy when they can gouge rather more out of the
more credulous, by selling them detergent replete with
unecessarily expensive ingredients, just "because they're
worth it".

But have you smelt your cat's fur recently?
--
Kay

In article ,
Janet Baraclough writes:
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| Yebbut, that can't account for black cats and labradors with
| glossy coats, who are only ever fed on a traditional diet,
| can it?
|
| Can you account for black poodles NOT being shiny? :-)

Matt black paint?


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

michael adams wrote:
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michael adams wrote:
Well Rupe, if you like throwing your money away on the likes of
Timotei, Swarfega, and Muc off Bike cleaner, then that's your
privilege I suppose.

mostly I use hand soap, shower gel and shampooo intercghangeably as you
suggest. In that case I just want something to wash away grease.

Shampoos, in principle, though do have extra ingredients to make your
hair shiny (conditioned?). This is not an issue for me or my grey
beard but there is a whole pile of odd lipids (e.g. lecithin, ceramide
and related things) that are related to making your hair look nice as
well as degreased. Ironically, I think the shiny look from nice
freshly washed hair and fancy shampoo is from lipid that has been put
back on but in a way that looks nicer than beofre it was washed.
Something like tyhat anyway. As you say though, it is mainly
irrelevant.

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I stand to be corrected, but as I understand it, the main determinant
of hair condition - which presumably includes shiny hair, is diet
What's ingested rather than whats applied externally. Cat and dog
foods have added oils to promote a glossy coat. Although AFAIAA, as
yet no human food is being promoted on that basis.

For people who wash their hair every day there is a pile of extra
ingredients in shampoo that you do not find in washing up liquid that
are put there to make your hair look nice.
Check out a bottle; you get an incredible cocktail. Some of it is for
smell and some for colour and there are several detergents and then a
pile of things to make your hair shiny.
Washing up liquid is relatively simple in comparison. For me and for
many people it would be just as effective (and I have used it in
emergencies) but shampoo is a real stew of funny lipids.

wrote in message
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michael adams wrote:
wrote in message
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michael adams wrote:
Well Rupe, if you like throwing your money away on the likes of
Timotei, Swarfega, and Muc off Bike cleaner, then that's your
privilege I suppose.

mostly I use hand soap, shower gel and shampooo intercghangeably as you
suggest. In that case I just want something to wash away grease.

Shampoos, in principle, though do have extra ingredients to make your
hair shiny (conditioned?). This is not an issue for me or my grey
beard but there is a whole pile of odd lipids (e.g. lecithin, ceramide
and related things) that are related to making your hair look nice as
well as degreased. Ironically, I think the shiny look from nice
freshly washed hair and fancy shampoo is from lipid that has been put
back on but in a way that looks nicer than beofre it was washed.
Something like tyhat anyway. As you say though, it is mainly
irrelevant.

...

I stand to be corrected, but as I understand it, the main determinant
of hair condition - which presumably includes shiny hair, is diet
What's ingested rather than whats applied externally. Cat and dog
foods have added oils to promote a glossy coat. Although AFAIAA, as
yet no human food is being promoted on that basis.

For people who wash their hair every day there is a pile of extra
ingredients in shampoo that you do not find in washing up liquid that
are put there to make your hair look nice.
Check out a bottle; you get an incredible cocktail. Some of it is for
smell and some for colour and there are several detergents and then a
pile of things to make your hair shiny.
Washing up liquid is relatively simple in comparison. For me and for
many people it would be just as effective (and I have used it in
emergencies) but shampoo is a real stew of funny lipids.


IMHO That extra cocktail of chemicals is partly responsible for a plethora
of skin complaints and sensitisation. What you see as the ingredients on the
bottle is the tip of the iceberg. Even when the dermatological properties of
an ingredient have been researched, the impurities in the ingredients can
cause problems. The rules have been tightened in recent years and no doubt
will go further in the fullness of time

"michael adams" wrote
cut n blow dry
And yet nobody ever suggests humans should maintain
glossy hair by simply taking an inexpensive oil capsule
every day, do they?

I do. The second time people kept commenting about the nice shiny
condition of my hair was when I'd been taking cod liver oil capsules.

The first time was when I was pregnant but, all things considered, CLO
is the easier and cheaper option.

--
Sue

"K" wrote in message
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But have you smelt your cat's fur recently?
--
Kay

The fur of a neutered cat in good general condition won't smell
of anything other than fur.

Entire toms who roam - can smell as bad as a billy goat.
Pound for pound, probably far worse than a billy goat in
fact.


michael adams

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"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
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Yebbut, that can't account for black cats and labradors with
glossy coats, who are only ever fed on a traditional diet,
can it?

Can you account for black poodles NOT being shiny? :-)

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A poodle's hair is more akin to wool and is more waterproof.
This made them especially suited to splashing through
mud and puddles when driving cattle - the purpose for which
they were originally bred. Standard poodles make quite
impressive dogs

The same could be said of this chap, nothing shiny about his
hair either.

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/komondor.htm

Apprently they're at their most dangerous the moment you start
laughing.


What's more with cats and dogs being lower down, their coats are
more subject to pollution from the likes of cars exhausts,
than is human hair. Which is at least 5 feet higher off
the ground

And yet strangely enough nobody ever suggests washing the
cat with Garnier Balsom or Fructis "because he's worth it"
do they ? No.

You must have been sheltered from the precious world of cat shows :-)

....

I used to go to the Olympia Cat Show many many years ago, as I knew
someone who got cheap tickets. It's quite entertaining being able to
walk up and own the rows and look at the cats all sitting in their
cages waiting for the judges to come round. Its all so po-faced
and deadly serious for the humans, while the cats are all so
laid back. People and their pets are often very funny to watch,
same as people walking their dogs in the park.


....

Did you know that show-cats which happen to be black, are never allowed
in sunlight (because it makes their fur go a slightly rusty colour).

....

The genetics of cat color are very complicated. As well as the colour
gene there's a colour intensity gene, another one I forget, and an agouti
gene which determines the colour banding on indibvidual hairs. For self
colours the agouti gene needs to be totally suppressed. In addtion some
blue blacks and deep browns are very difficult to distinguish
from true blacks, if such exist.

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Their coat condition owes as much to applied lotions and potions as any
film star.

....

And totally unecessary, that's the point. White cats for one, keep
themselves inmmacuate without any human intervention, and there's no
reason to suppose other colours don't do likewise.

....

Last time I was at the vets, they had cat toothbrushes and
toothpaste for sale.

....

Many pet cats will develop tartar on their teeth. Both as a result
of being fed a sloppy diet and simply as a result of living
longer. Dried food can be a help with tartar, except it can
can cause kidney and other problems in susceptible cats. The
other remedy might be more raw meat. Too much tartar can cause
execessive drooling and other problems as the cat gets older.



michael adams

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Janet.

michael adams writes

"K" wrote in message
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But have you smelt your cat's fur recently?
--
Kay

The fur of a neutered cat in good general condition won't smell
of anything other than fur.

Precisely.

--
Kay

"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
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from "michael adams" contains these words:


"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
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Can you account for black poodles NOT being shiny? :-)

A poodle's hair is more akin to wool and is more waterproof.
This made them especially suited to splashing through
mud and puddles when driving cattle - the purpose for which
they were originally bred.

Are you sure? I thought poodles were bred for game retrieving .


You're right.

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/standardpoodle.htm

"Moi ? Drive cattle? "

I don't know where I got that idea from, maybe confused
them with another breed.



michael adams

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On Mon, 1 May 2006 15:55:37 +0100, JennyC wrote
(in message ):

"ron" wrote in message
. uk...
Hi I have been reading about making insectisides using pure soap. What is
pure soap sold as, i.e. trade name? Or will Dove soap do?

Thanks Ron

I find washing up liquid works for greenfly.
Jenny


Any suggestions for what ratio wul to water?

I'd be inclined to use too much I think so guidelines would help!

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VX (remove alcohol for email)

"VX" wrote in message
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On Mon, 1 May 2006 15:55:37 +0100, JennyC wrote
(in message ):

"ron" wrote in message
. uk...
Hi I have been reading about making insectisides using pure soap. What
is
pure soap sold as, i.e. trade name? Or will Dove soap do?

Thanks Ron

I find washing up liquid works for greenfly.
Jenny


Any suggestions for what ratio wul to water?

I'd be inclined to use too much I think so guidelines would help!

--
VX (remove alcohol for email)


One squirt in a bowl of water. Try that and increase the concentration if it
does not work.
You may need to increase the amount if you are using scuffer/pleb brand
stuff (17p/bottle). :-)