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many (like me) had bse
cows, but none of these were ever treated with OP's (even in utero).

They were bred from cows that were.

means nothing. Virtually every organic dairy cow in the country at the
moment is bred from cows treated with OPs


--
Jim Webster

"The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind"

'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami'



--
Oz
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Lotus wrote in message
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I just cut out your ranting

heavy metal connection.

Spatiotemporal epidemiological correlations between
phosmet use and BSE incidence Last updated 14-Aug-2002
http://www.markpurdey.com/science_highdose_3.htm


do what I did, phone him and talk to him, he is happy enough to
discuss
is findings and ideas.

and why wouldn't he.

why don't you phone him or are you frightened he would laugh in the face
of someone who talks to inner earth beings

--
Jim Webster

"The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind"

'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami'

"Jim Webster" wrote in message ...

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[..]
and why wouldn't he.

why don't you phone him or are you frightened he would
laugh in the face of someone who talks to inner earth beings

Groan. Sorry Lotus. Cheers Jim, *******.

"Jim Webster" wrote in message ...

Lotus wrote in message
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"Oz" wrote in message

many (like me) had bse
cows, but none of these were ever treated with OP's (even in utero).

They were bred from cows that were.

means nothing. Virtually every organic dairy cow in the country at the
moment is bred from cows treated with OPs

'The lack of BSE incidence in beef suckler herds (1) and total lack
of BSE in home reared cattle on organic farms (87) can be attributed
to the preferential use of the ‘non OP’ ivermectin types of warblecide
on these farms. Whereas on conventional dairy farms where BSE
incidence rates were high (1), licensing restrictions on the use of
ivermectin on ‘in milk’ cows necessitated the exclusive use of OP
types of warblecide on dairy farms for economic reasons. '

http://www.markpurdey.com/science_th...s_of_bse_5.htm

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[..]
and why wouldn't he.

why don't you phone him or are you frightened he would
laugh in the face of someone who talks to inner earth beings

Groan. Sorry Lotus. Cheers Jim, *******.

What he snips is of far more interest than what he writes.

Lotus wrote in message
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"Jim Webster" wrote in message
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Lotus wrote in message
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"Oz" wrote in message

many (like me) had bse
cows, but none of these were ever treated with OP's (even in
utero).

They were bred from cows that were.

means nothing. Virtually every organic dairy cow in the country at
the
moment is bred from cows treated with OPs

'The lack of BSE incidence in beef suckler herds (1)

who in the UK are normally the daughters of dairy cows who of course
were treated with OPs

and total lack
of BSE in home reared cattle on organic farms (87)

who is the UK are almost all daughters of conventional cows who were
treated with OPs



--
Jim Webster

"The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind"

'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami'

Lotus wrote in message
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why don't you phone him or are you frightened he would
laugh in the face of someone who talks to inner earth beings

Groan. Sorry Lotus. Cheers Jim, *******.

What he snips is of far more interest than what he writes.


you don't appear to understand what I snip anyway
--
Jim Webster

"The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind"

'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami'

"Jim Webster" wrote in message ...

Lotus wrote in message
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why don't you phone him or are you frightened he would
laugh in the face of someone who talks to inner earth beings

Groan. Sorry Lotus. Cheers Jim, *******.

What he snips is of far more interest than what he writes.


you don't appear to understand what I snip anyway

Sure I understand it. We all understand it.

"Jim Webster" wrote in message ...

Lotus wrote in message
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"Jim Webster" wrote in message
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Lotus wrote in message
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"Oz" wrote in message

many (like me) had bse
cows, but none of these were ever treated with OP's (even in utero).

They were bred from cows that were.

means nothing. Virtually every organic dairy cow in the country at the
moment is bred from cows treated with OPs

'The lack of BSE incidence in beef suckler herds (1)

who in the UK are normally the daughters of dairy cows who of course
were treated with OPs

It says 'lack', not 'total lack'.

'2.8 Dairy herds were far more affected by BSE than beef herds.
The recorded incidence among dairy herds between 1 April 1985
and 31 March 1988 was 311 out of 44,767 herds (0.69 per cent),
considerably higher than the incidence in beef suckler herds
(11 out of 54,166 herds, or 0.02 per cent). 9 This was probably due
to the lower levels of concentrate feeding in beef suckler herds, 10 '
http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/report/...6/chapter2.htm

(8) Section 4.8.3.2 ( page 36)

"FURTHERMORE, BEEF COWS WHICH OBTAIN MOST OF
THEIR FOOD FROM PASTURE , ARE MORE LIKELY THAN
DAIRY COWS TO EXPERIENCE AN ABNORMAL IMBALANCE
IN DIETARY INTAKE OF THE TRACE ELEMENTS COPPER,
MOLYBDENUM, SELENIUM AND MANGANESE, SINCE
COMPOUND FEEDS FOR DAIRY COWS ARE SUPPLEMENTED
WITH THESE TRACE ELEMENTS AS NECESSARY TO MEET
NUTRIENT REQUIREMENTS. ACCORDINGLY, A HIGHER
INCIDENCE OF BSE WOULD BE EXPECTED IN BEEF COWS
RATHER THAN IN DAIRY COWS. THE REVERSE IS TRUE."

http://www.purdeyenvironment.com/Horne.htm

and total lack of BSE in home reared cattle on organic farms (87)

who is the UK are almost all daughters of conventional cows who were
treated with OPs

It says 'home reared'.

Lotus wrote in message
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Lotus wrote in message
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why don't you phone him or are you frightened he would
laugh in the face of someone who talks to inner earth beings

Groan. Sorry Lotus. Cheers Jim, *******.

What he snips is of far more interest than what he writes.


you don't appear to understand what I snip anyway

Sure I understand it. We all understand it.

oh goody

then try explaining it in your own words instead of just cutting and
pasting great screeds of the stuff.


--
Jim Webster

"The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind"

'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami'

Lotus wrote in message
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Lotus wrote in message
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"Jim Webster" wrote in message
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Lotus wrote in message
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"Oz" wrote in message

many (like me) had bse
cows, but none of these were ever treated with OP's (even in
utero).

They were bred from cows that were.

means nothing. Virtually every organic dairy cow in the country
at the
moment is bred from cows treated with OPs

'The lack of BSE incidence in beef suckler herds (1)

who in the UK are normally the daughters of dairy cows who of course
were treated with OPs

It says 'lack', not 'total lack'.

so


'2.8 Dairy herds were far more affected by BSE than beef herds.

yes, because Dairy herds are far more likely to get MBM in their
rations,.

who is the UK are almost all daughters of conventional cows who were
treated with OPs

It says 'home reared'.

clever girl, and where do you think the orginial organic dairy cows came
from, spontaneous evolution of life from horsehair and mud?

Jim Webster, the pastor to stupidity, is currently ministering to
Lotus
--
Jim Webster

"The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind"

'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami'

"Jim Webster" wrote in message ...

Lotus wrote in message
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"Jim Webster" wrote in message
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Lotus wrote in message
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"Jim Webster" wrote in message
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Lotus wrote in message
...
"Oz" wrote in message

many (like me) had bse
cows, but none of these were ever treated with OP's (even in utero).

They were bred from cows that were.

means nothing. Virtually every organic dairy cow in the country at the
moment is bred from cows treated with OPs

'The lack of BSE incidence in beef suckler herds (1)

who in the UK are normally the daughters of dairy cows who of course
were treated with OPs

It says 'lack', not 'total lack'.

so


'2.8 Dairy herds were far more affected by BSE than beef herds.

yes, because Dairy herds are far more likely to get MBM in their
rations,.

That too, as well as more manganese.

who is the UK are almost all daughters of conventional cows who were
treated with OPs

It says 'home reared'.

clever girl, and where do you think the orginial organic dairy cows came
from, spontaneous evolution of life from horsehair and mud?

Again;

'The lack of BSE incidence in beef suckler herds (1) and total lack
of BSE in home reared cattle on organic farms (87) can be attributed
to the preferential use of the ‘non OP’ ivermectin types of warblecide
on these farms. Whereas on conventional dairy farms where BSE
incidence rates were high (1), licensing restrictions on the use of
ivermectin on ‘in milk’ cows necessitated the exclusive use of OP
types of warblecide on dairy farms for economic reasons. '

http://www.markpurdey.com/science_th...s_of_bse_5.htm

"Oz" wrote in message
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Jim Webster writes

on compulsory warble treatment

it is called the law, if I had not done it I would have faced a large
fine and possible imprisonment.

As happened to purdey, who refused to treat his cattle despite the
organic movement complying with the regulations.

When bse *later* came in he of course blamed the OP's.

I can't imagine why. Not a vested interest, surely?

Also please note that very many dairy farms had effectively eradicated
warbles before the compulsory treatment came in. They were able to stop
much earlier than many others. As a consequence many (like me) had bse
cows, but none of these were ever treated with OP's (even in utero).

When did the UK start treating for warble files. I was treating cattle 30
years ago with systeminc insecticides.

Gordon

Gordon Couger writes

When did the UK start treating for warble files. I was treating cattle 30
years ago with systeminc insecticides.

I don;t know. We were already effectively clear when I came in 75.

We never used phosmet, by the way, few dairy farmers did.
They preferred the much less toxic tiguvon.

Phosmet tended to be used by beef farmers or those in remoter areas
where there were ticks.

--
Oz
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"Oz" wrote in message
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Gordon Couger writes

When did the UK start treating for warble files. I was treating cattle 30
years ago with systeminc insecticides.

I don;t know. We were already effectively clear when I came in 75.

We never used phosmet, by the way, few dairy farmers did.
They preferred the much less toxic tiguvon.

Phosmet tended to be used by beef farmers or those in remoter areas
where there were ticks.

I was wrong we were treating with systemincs 40 years ago. I am 60 and can
barely rember seeing a warbel in a cow.

With dairy cattle where you have access to them 2 or 3 times every day many
things are much easier than with beef cattle where you catch them if you
can

Speaking of ticks I can remeber when my part of the world didn't have ticks.
We imported them in the 50's & 60's with cattle we trucked in from all over.
In 1950 the ground had only been under the plow for a little over 40 years
and etiher ticks had never been there or they died out in the 30's due to
drought and when the people cleaned out the wild life for somthing to eat or
fur to sell.

Gordon