"Gordon Couger" wrote in message
news:2jUP9.559701$NH2.37849@sccrnsc01...

"Jonathan Ball" wrote in message
...

Give an example of something you have done to directly improve the
envrionment.

lol! Killed 'soulless' ants (and most other lifeforms) -effectively-.

From: Jonathan Ball )
Subject: OT: ant repellant
Newsgroups: alt.food.vegan
Date: 2001-10-29 09:07:42 PST

papos le grand balz ov the tiki tribe wrote:

ants are congregating in my bathroom. How can I tell them that they are
unwelcome without having to resort to destructive means?

Ditch your inhibitions about using "destructive means". There are
billions of ants, and they are soulless. Just kill them. If you're
sensitive to the use of dangerous chemicals, you can try mixing up some
water, some liquid dish soap, and some vinegar. Douse 'em, and they'll
die quickly. This is what I usually use inside the house, as I am
sensitive to the use of strong chemicals inside the house. I've also
found a commercial brand of insecticide that uses mint extract as the
toxic-to-bugs ingredient. It's suspended in some kind of oil base. It
works, but I find it doesn't last very long; doesn't appear to create a
long-lasting barrier that the ants won't cross.

My neighbors across the street swear by chalk as a way of deterring them
from entering. Find where they are entering your house, and scrape a
stick of chalk across their path. I haven't tried that, though. I usually
spray a strong solution of malathion around the base of the house.
It is very effective.

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Malathion (another OP) is lethal to beneficial insects,
snails, microcrustaceans, fish, birds, amphibians,
and soil microorganisms. Sublethal exposure of
these species can cause a variety of behavioral and
physiological abnormalities.
http://lists.essential.org/dioxin-l/msg00990.html

Effects on humans;
http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/MHMI/mmg154.html

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J.B.

I'm a criminal by choice
I choose to steal
lie, cheat, kill
to better my position
the hunter
hungry.
Indiscriminate?
No.
hyper-discriminate, fastidious, finicky
excessively careful
so I don't get caught
and I never get caught
cuz I slink in the shadows
waiting to pounce
where least expected
unnoticed
slither in, snatch, and quietly move on
when no one is looking.
The Vanishing is my doing.
Much has vanished.

- A. Plagiarist

"Jim Webster" wrote in message ...

Gordon Couger wrote in message
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"Jim Webster" wrote:

Unfortunately he and lotus do not get on and you get long tedious
threads where they insult each other. They do make a perfect pair as
neither seems to have much grasp of the real world and tend to confuse
the web with reality.

"Jim Webster" wrote in message ...

Lotus wrote in message
...
"Jim Webster" wrote in message
...

Lotus wrote in message
...
'2.8 Dairy herds were far more affected by BSE than beef herds.

yes, because Dairy herds are far more likely to get MBM in their
rations,.

That too, as well as more manganese.

no because beef herds will get mineralised blocks or similar which dairy
cattle will never normally be offered.

But beef herds use salt licks at will. Added to feed, the animal
has no choice but to ingest it.

you haven't the faintest idea what a mineralised block is have you.

--and this is where jim falls apart--

What in MBM is a better match with BSE, jim?

I would like to see some of these folks with a hoe in their hand on a 110
degree day or feeding cattle when the wind is blowing 40 miles per hour and
it 10 below zero f. Or sign their name on the dotted line of a note for over
a hundred thousand bucks for irrigation equipment that we trust to a farmer
500 miles away that we have met once.

They have hard lessons to learn in life if they ever hope to succeed at
anything.

they are lessons so far removed from their way of life that they cannot
even comprehend what the learning will teach them.
Remember these people ofter never impact on the real world. I remember
the ex wife of a friend of mine. She had no winter clothes, not even a
coat. She lived in a centrally heated house with garage built in, drove
to her centrally heated office, parked in the carpark underneath the
office building. She was known to wear less in winter than summer
because the office central heating was set a bit high.

expecting people like that to understand reality is like asking a
bullock to discuss quantum physics.

--
Jim Webster

"The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind"

'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami'

Gordon

You really haven't got the first clue about me and my life.

What a sorry bunch of losers.

Lotus wrote in message
...
"Jim Webster" wrote in message
...

Gordon Couger wrote in message
news:0AUP9.163736$qF3.10939@sccrnsc04...

"Jim Webster" wrote:

Unfortunately he and lotus do not get on and you get long
tedious
threads where they insult each other. They do make a perfect
pair as
neither seems to have much grasp of the real world and tend to
confuse
the web with reality.

"Jim Webster" wrote in message
...

Lotus wrote in message
...
"Jim Webster" wrote in message
...

Lotus wrote in message
...
'2.8 Dairy herds were far more affected by BSE than beef
herds.

yes, because Dairy herds are far more likely to get MBM in
their
rations,.

That too, as well as more manganese.

no because beef herds will get mineralised blocks or similar
which dairy
cattle will never normally be offered.

But beef herds use salt licks at will. Added to feed, the animal
has no choice but to ingest it.

you haven't the faintest idea what a mineralised block is have you.

--and this is where jim falls apart--

What in MBM is a better match with BSE, jim?

we haven't even starting discussing that. First we had to get you to
find out what was the difference between a lick and a block. Then you
asked the question what is MBM, so let us hear your answer to that. Once
we know what you think MBM is and can repair any gaps in your knowledge
then we can proceed to discuss the links between that and BSE.



You really haven't got the first clue about me and my life.


only that you claim
1) to be English
2) to live in Ireland
3) to own goats
4) to own horses
5) to go hedging
6) to support yourself as a "complementary healer"
7) to believe in inner earth beings


--
Jim Webster

"The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind"

'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami'

Gordon Couger wrote:
"Jim Webster" wrote in message
...

Gordon Couger wrote in message
news:Z7MP9.553840$QZ.80544@sccrnsc02...


. You can't even enter an intelligent

discussion on the subject.

Gordon

perfectly true, no one can remember the last time he actually
contributed anything to a discussion. He just makes personal attacks and
boasts about the level of his education. Are they all like that in
California?

Eventually he gets kilfiled or ignored as a waste of time but I confess
to winding him up occassionally.

Unfortunately he and lotus do not get on and you get long tedious
threads where they insult each other. They do make a perfect pair as
neither seems to have much grasp of the real world and tend to confuse
the web with reality.


I would like to see some of these folks with a hoe in their hand on a 110
degree day or feeding cattle when the wind is blowing 40 miles per hour and
it 10 below zero f. Or sign their name on the dotted line of a note for over
a hundred thousand bucks for irrigation equipment that we trust to a farmer
500 miles away that we have met once.

They have hard lessons to learn in life if they ever hope to succeed at
anything.

Everything you write is further evidence of your
limited vision and experience. You seem to think the
only hard lessons learned in life somehow involve
Okiehoma agriculture. You're a fool.

Wim Jebster wrote:
Gordon Couger wrote in message
news:0AUP9.163736$qF3.10939@sccrnsc04...


They have hard lessons to learn in life if they ever hope to succeed
at anything.


they are lessons so far removed from their way of life that they cannot
even comprehend what the learning will teach them.
Remember these people ofter never impact on the real world. I remember
the ex wife of a friend of mine. She had no winter clothes, not even a
coat. She lived in a centrally heated house with garage built in, drove
to her centrally heated office, parked in the carpark underneath the
office building. She was known to wear less in winter than summer
because the office central heating was set a bit high.

expecting people like that to understand reality is like asking a
bullock to discuss quantum physics.

Just shut up, Wim. Every time you try to write
profundity, you fail and wind up looking stupid.

You and Gordon, and of course that stupid fat
hula-hooping pachyderm Sue Bitchup, all seem to think
that the only worthwhile lessons learned in life are to
be found in rural settings; in other words, "rural
life" = "reality".

You couldn't be more wrong. What a conceited bunch of
rustics you lot are! Don't you morons understand that
every time you write that kind of shit, you look ever
more stupid?

"Jim Webster" wrote in message ...

Lotus wrote in message
[..]
"Jim Webster" wrote in message
...

Lotus wrote in message
...
"Jim Webster" wrote in message
...

Lotus wrote in message
...
'2.8 Dairy herds were far more affected by BSE than beef herds.

yes, because Dairy herds are far more likely to get MBM in their
rations,.

That too, as well as more manganese.

no because beef herds will get mineralised blocks or similar which dairy
cattle will never normally be offered.

But beef herds use salt licks at will. Added to feed, the animal
has no choice but to ingest it.

you haven't the faintest idea what a mineralised block is have you.

--and this is where jim falls apart--

What in MBM is a better match with BSE, jim?

we haven't even starting discussing that.

No wonder, as you keep on evading it.

First we had to get you to
find out what was the difference between a lick and a block.

There is no difference. A mineral/salt lick and a mineralised block
are, for all intents and purposes, the same thing.

You introduced mineralised FEED block when you realised that.

Michael said "There are licks AND feed blocks. Both weigh about
fifty pounds. The feed blocks must be protected from the weather
or they will crumble and become inedible. The licks are solid enough
to be either simply dropped in the pasture or put in a salt block holder",
but showed us a link to a mineral lick/block containing grain products.
http://www.martindalefeed.com/Products/BLOCKS/3307.htm

I asked whether the feed block Michael had described were also
used in the UK. Now we know that supplementary feed blocks
which contain minerals are available, but I have yet to see them
referred to as 'mineralised feed blocks'.

Then you
asked the question what is MBM, so let us hear your answer to that.

No I didn't, I asked you in response to your "MBM has a better match"
(with incidence of BSE), "What in MBM exactly?", NOT what IS MBM.

You misread it then, (ironically, whilst saying I had reading problems),
so I corrected you then, which means that now you are either lying or
demented.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lotus"
Newsgroups: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,talk.politics.animal s,sci.agriculture
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 3:43 PM
Subject: Mad Cow Disease / Mad Deer Disease

: "Jim Webster" wrote in message
...
:

and MBM has a better match
...

What in MBM exactly?

jesus wept.
you are discussing BSE and you don't know what MBM is. Obviously your
reading is limited to say the least. You then go about quoting vast
screeds of stuff which contains the phrase, and you don't know what it
is.

Obviously your reading is limited to say the least.
I know what it IS. I asked you what _IN_ MBM exactly.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
STILL waiting.

Once
we know what you think MBM is and can repair any gaps in your knowledge
then we can proceed to discuss the links between that and BSE.

You really do appear to be a terminally stupid and unethical person, jim.

Lotus wrote in message
...
"Jim Webster" wrote in message
...

First we had to get you to
find out what was the difference between a lick and a block.

There is no difference. A mineral/salt lick and a mineralised block
are, for all intents and purposes, the same thing.

no, because a mineral salt lick will not contain protein


--
Jim Webster

"The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind"

'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami'

Lotus wrote:
"Jonathan Ball" wrote in message ...

Lotus wrote:

The audience will make up their own minds, based on the evidence.

That's all I could ever ask.

You shouldn't. The audience concluded years ago that
your a liar and an idiot,


You, boil, are the liar, proven over and over..

No. I have caught you in one lie after another, one
****ed up "citation" after another. You are an
ignorant, ****ed up fool.


You are the liar. I may err, but I always correct my mistakes,
and am not adverse to others doing so constructively either.

I have never lied, and I also have never made any
substantive mistakes. You lie all the time, beginning
with your stupid bullshit three years ago about how
streambed erosion in the semi-arid regions of the U.S.
"causes" deforestation of the rainforest in Central and
South America. You repeatedly and FALSELY insisted you
had shown the linkage, but you were LYING: it took you
well over TWO YEARS to try to show a linkage, and even
at that YOU DID NOT; you simply assumed one. You were
LYING the whole time, ~~SHITWEED~~.

You also LIED when first confronted with the stupidity
of your presentation of data concerning Argentina's
total imports and exports as "support" for your claim
about the United States importation of beef...from
BRAZIL! It took several other posts before you
admitted that your citation was irrelevant and WRONG,
and even at that, you pretended FALSELY that you still
had proved your point.

You are an uneducated, STUPID low-wage marginal,
~~shitweed~~. You don't know what you're talking
about, ever. Your presentation of "scientific"
evidence is laughable, as you have ZERO educational
background in science.



and an irrational believer in
make-believe bullshit like "inner earth beings".


Say's you.

No (and it would be "says", anyway, not "say's".) You
believe in "inner earth beings", which is prima facie
evidence of your being an irrational idiot.


Say's you.

"Says", not "say's". And your charge is false: belief
in "inner earth beings" is prima facie evidence of your
being an irrational idiot, as you have never seen any
independently verifiable evidence to support such a belief.



Present your INDEPENDENTLY VERIFIABLE evidence that
they exist, ~~SHITweed~~.


No.

Right: you have none. ZERO. Just like you,
~~SHITweed~~: a great big empty ZERO.


Liar. And the great big blustering ZERO is YOU, boil.

No, ~~shitweed~~, I am not lying. You do not have any
independently verifiable evidence of the existence of
"inner earth beings". Your belief in such ephemera is
evidence of your irrationality and STUPIDITY.

Lotus wrote:
"Jonathan Ball" wrote in message ...

Lotus wrote:

"Jonathan Ball" wrote in message ...


Jim Webster wrote:


Jonathan Ball wrote in message
...

trying to pull his scorched balls out of the fire.


Reread ~~weed's~~ claim:

I can't find a SINGLE reference to the use of
mineralised FEED blocks in the UK.


This was my 'infamous' search;
http://www.google.ie/search?hl=en&ie...attle+uk&meta=
See for yourselves- 45 irrelevant hits, afaics, - either
mineral/salt licks/blocks, or mineralised barley.

I did a search, and found a relevant link on the first
try. You are a blind idiot: you weren't really looking.


Show us a link to 'mineralised FEED blocks' in the UK then.

I already did, you stupid blind ****:

Crystalyx : A range of high energy, mineralised
supplementary feed licks for cattle, sheep and deer
in easy to handle 16.6kg boxes and 80kg tubs.
http://www.ccfarmers.co.uk/feed.asp

A "lick" and a "block" are the same thing, you ignorant
****.


You don't even know what we were speaking of, dumbass.

I caught you in a LIE, ~~shitweed~~. It doesn't matter
what you were "speaking of"; your speaking was a lie.

Lotus wrote:

Jim Webster

"The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind"

'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami'


Gordon


You really haven't got the first clue about me and my life.

What a sorry bunch of losers.

You're a liar. We have quite a good idea of your life.
You believe in "inner earth beings", who supposedly
live under Mt. Shasta in northern California, despite
having NO evidence for their existence. You practice
BULLSHIT, QUACK medicine in Ireland, CRIMINALLY
swindling people out of money through your promotion of
"Doctor" (huh) Hulda Clarke's "zapper", which is known
to be a useless piece of junk with no medical benefits.

We KNOW that you are an uneducated, low-wage marginal.

Lotus wrote:
"Jim Webster" wrote in message ...

Lotus wrote in message

[..]

"Jim Webster" wrote in message

...

Lotus wrote in message
...

"Jim Webster" wrote in message

...

Lotus wrote in message
...

'2.8 Dairy herds were far more affected by BSE than beef herds.

yes, because Dairy herds are far more likely to get MBM in their
rations,.

That too, as well as more manganese.

no because beef herds will get mineralised blocks or similar which dairy
cattle will never normally be offered.

But beef herds use salt licks at will. Added to feed, the animal
has no choice but to ingest it.

you haven't the faintest idea what a mineralised block is have you.

--and this is where jim falls apart--

What in MBM is a better match with BSE, jim?

we haven't even starting discussing that.


No wonder, as you keep on evading it.


First we had to get you to
find out what was the difference between a lick and a block.


There is no difference. A mineral/salt lick and a mineralised block
are, for all intents and purposes, the same thing.

That's not the same off-key tune you were singing just
two days ago:

Someone was thoughtful enough to find a supplier of
mineralised supplementary feed licks for cattle
http://www.ccfarmers.co.uk/feed.asp , but that's
still a lick. I see Dry Cow Feed Blocks on the same
page

You didn't know then that a "lick" and a "block" were,
"for all intents and purposes, the same thing".


You introduced mineralised FEED block when you realised that.

Michael said "There are licks AND feed blocks. Both weigh about
fifty pounds. The feed blocks must be protected from the weather
or they will crumble and become inedible. The licks are solid enough
to be either simply dropped in the pasture or put in a salt block holder",
but showed us a link to a mineral lick/block containing grain products.
http://www.martindalefeed.com/Products/BLOCKS/3307.htm

I asked whether the feed block Michael had described were also
used in the UK. Now we know that supplementary feed blocks
which contain minerals are available, but I have yet to see them
referred to as 'mineralised feed blocks'.


Then you
asked the question what is MBM, so let us hear your answer to that.


No I didn't, I asked you in response to your "MBM has a better match"
(with incidence of BSE), "What in MBM exactly?", NOT what IS MBM.

You misread it then, (ironically, whilst saying I had reading problems),
so I corrected you then, which means that now you are either lying or
demented.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lotus"
Newsgroups: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,talk.politics.animal s,sci.agriculture
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 3:43 PM
Subject: Mad Cow Disease / Mad Deer Disease

: "Jim Webster" wrote in message
...
:

and MBM has a better match

..


What in MBM exactly?

jesus wept.
you are discussing BSE and you don't know what MBM is. Obviously your
reading is limited to say the least. You then go about quoting vast
screeds of stuff which contains the phrase, and you don't know what it
is.


Obviously your reading is limited to say the least.
I know what it IS. I asked you what _IN_ MBM exactly.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
STILL waiting.


Once
we know what you think MBM is and can repair any gaps in your knowledge
then we can proceed to discuss the links between that and BSE.


You really do appear to be a terminally stupid and unethical person, jim.

"Jonathan Ball" wrote in message ...
Lotus wrote:
"Jonathan Ball" wrote in message ...

Lotus wrote:

"Jonathan Ball" wrote in message ...


Jim Webster wrote:


Jonathan Ball wrote in message
...

trying to pull his scorched balls out of the fire.


Reread ~~weed's~~ claim:

I can't find a SINGLE reference to the use of
mineralised FEED blocks in the UK.


This was my 'infamous' search;
http://www.google.ie/search?hl=en&ie...attle+uk&meta=
See for yourselves- 45 irrelevant hits, afaics, - either
mineral/salt licks/blocks, or mineralised barley.

I did a search, and found a relevant link on the first
try. You are a blind idiot: you weren't really looking.

Show us a link to 'mineralised FEED blocks' in the UK then.

I already did, you stupid blind ****:

Crystalyx : A range of high energy, mineralised
supplementary feed licks for cattle, sheep and deer
in easy to handle 16.6kg boxes and 80kg tubs.
http://www.ccfarmers.co.uk/feed.asp

Nope, still don't see the words 'mineralised feed block',
and Jim had laughed when I said 'mineralised blocks'
were the same as 'salt licks', and he then added 'feed'
into the equation, hence my search SPECIFICALLY for
'mineralised FEED blocks', you stupid blind asshole.

A "lick" and a "block" are the same thing, you ignorant
****.

I know that, you foul-mouthed psycho-scum.

You don't even know what we were speaking of, dumbass.

I caught you in a LIE, ~~weed~~.

NO you did not, LIAR filth.

It doesn't matter
what you were "speaking of"; your speaking was a lie.

No. Reread my claim: "I can't find a SINGLE reference
to the use of mineralised FEED blocks in the UK".

'MINERALISED FEED BLOCKS', blockhead.

Michael said "There are licks AND feed blocks. Both weigh about
fifty pounds. The feed blocks must be protected from the weather
or they will crumble and become inedible. The licks are solid enough
to be either simply dropped in the pasture or put in a salt block holder",
but showed us a link to a mineral lick/block containing grain products.
http://www.martindalefeed.com/Products/BLOCKS/3307.htm

I asked whether the feed block Michael had described were also
used in the UK. Now we know that supplementary feed blocks
which contain minerals are available, but I have yet to see them
referred to as 'mineralised feed blocks'.

Xref: 127.0.0.1 alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian:71434 talk.politics.animals:203901 sci.agricultu57880

Lotus wrote:

"Jonathan Ball" wrote in message ...
Lotus wrote:
"Jonathan Ball" wrote in message ...

Lotus wrote:

"Jonathan Ball" wrote in message ...


Jim Webster wrote:


Jonathan Ball wrote in message
...

trying to pull his scorched balls out of the fire.


Reread ~~weed's~~ claim:

I can't find a SINGLE reference to the use of
mineralised FEED blocks in the UK.


This was my 'infamous' search;
http://www.google.ie/search?hl=en&ie...attle+uk&meta=
See for yourselves- 45 irrelevant hits, afaics, - either
mineral/salt licks/blocks, or mineralised barley.

I did a search, and found a relevant link on the first
try. You are a blind idiot: you weren't really looking.

Show us a link to 'mineralised FEED blocks' in the UK then.

I already did, you stupid blind ****:

Crystalyx : A range of high energy, mineralised
supplementary feed licks for cattle, sheep and deer
in easy to handle 16.6kg boxes and 80kg tubs.
http://www.ccfarmers.co.uk/feed.asp

Nope, still don't see the words 'mineralised feed block',
and Jim had laughed when I said 'mineralised blocks'
were the same as 'salt licks', and he then added 'feed'
into the equation, hence my search SPECIFICALLY for
'mineralised FEED blocks', you stupid blind asshole.

A block and a lick are the same thing, you stupid blind
dishonest ****.


A "lick" and a "block" are the same thing, you ignorant
****.

I know that, you foul-mouthed psycho-scum.

No, you don't, you stupid asshole, or else you wouldnt
still be bleating about a distinction between a
minerlized feed block and a mineralized feed lick.
They are synonymous.


You don't even know what we were speaking of, dumbass.

I caught you in a LIE, ~~SHITweed~~.

NO you did not, LIAR filth.

I caught you in a lie, ~~SHITWEED~~.


It doesn't matter
what you were "speaking of"; your speaking was a lie.

No. Reread my claim: "I can't find a SINGLE reference
to the use of mineralised FEED blocks in the UK".

'MINERALISED FEED BLOCKS', blockhead.

And I found one. It used the word "lick" instead of
"block", but they are the same thing. I found a
reference to mineralized feed licks/blocks. You
couldn't find it because you are blind and dishonest,
and you are TOO ****ING STUPID to realize you've been
provided with the reference.

The fact you were too STUPID and BLIND to find it does
not mean the reference doesn't exist.

....

"Jonathan Ball" wrote in message ...

I have never lied,

You lie all the time, liar.

You've already wasted enough of other's and my time with
these obsessions of yours, which you are STILL lying about,
boil, you wretched socio-psychopathic jackass.

[snip]

"Jonathan Ball" wrote in message ...
Lotus wrote:

'MINERALISED FEED BLOCKS', blockhead.

And I found one. It used the word "lick" instead of
"block",

Exactly.

but they are the same thing.

But I was not searching for 'LICKS'.

I found a reference to mineralized feed licks/blocks.

Still 'mineralized feed licks', not 'mineralized feed blocks'.

There are hundreds of references to 'mineralised licks/blocks',
but my search was for 'mineralized feed blocks', as SPECIFIED
by JIM.