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Well, right on schedule, I noticed the first rose bud of the season
this morning, a modest little puppy on my first blooming rose of the year - Old Blush. It always beats everything else by weeks. I expect to see hundreds of buds crop up in the next few days. For those who want to cover a chain link fence, this is a good plant to use as it grows fairly rapidly and densely. You'll only get one really good flush a year, but what a flush! You *will* get some small-scale scattered blooming the rest of the year, but nothing worth writing home about. One thing that I did was pair it with The Fairy (Cl). Those two two year old plants have completely covered a 25 foot long 4 foot tall section of fence. The nice thing about pairing those plants is that The Fairy doesn't start to bloom until Old Blush starts to fade, so you get over a couple of months of good flush (even though it's only half and half on the fence). Monday and Tuesday were spent feeding and doing some light pruning. Seems like I've lost my standard (I didn't heel it in, so this should be an object lesson, right Shiva?) The Europeana with the rose gall doesn't look well at all, but we'll see what happens. I'm disappointed with the way that Ingrid Bergman has weathered winter as well and I'm thinking of moving it. I actually haven't pruned it yet though. Otherwise, everything looks like it did OK this winter. Aloha is really starting to leaf out and it looks like it's going to look pretty nice this year. I'malso going to try some grub control products in May to see if I can reduce the number of Japanese beetles. Anyone have any experience with these products (I'm not talking about milky spoor, but that direct granular stuff that you apply as the grubs move toward the surface later in the season)? BTW, regarding rose gall, I spoke to the guy at Edmunds and he says that you shouldn't *necessarily* consider it a death sentence. First of all, efforts to "disinfect" the soil is pretty pointless, as the bacterium that causes the gall is present in a lot of soil anyway (I think that this has been pointed out here on occasion). Second, he claims that a rose can live a pretty nice existence even with the gall and he keeps 5 or 6 such examples around (one of which he says is quite spectacular) just to show that you don't necessarily have to freak out if it occurs. He said that one of those roses is over 10 years old. He figures that the main thing that will happen is that it will go into slow decline prematurely. |
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dave weil wrote:
Well, right on schedule, I noticed the first rose bud of the season this morning, a modest little puppy on my first blooming rose of the year - Old Blush. It always beats everything else by weeks. I expect to see hundreds of buds crop up in the next few days. Grrr! How do you get a bud this early! I'm green. Monday and Tuesday were spent feeding and doing some light pruning. Seems like I've lost my standard (I didn't heel it in, so this should be an object lesson, right Shiva?) Hell, I guess so. I've never had a standard. If you can't grow them without burying them for the winter, bet I can't. The Europeana with the rose gall doesn't look well at all, but we'll see what happens. I have a little KMart stumpy Europeana (it's true, as I saw one little bloom last year) in a pot that made it through the winter and appears to be taking off. Speaking of cheapy stumpy bagged roses--the ONLY one I have that now looks like a normal rose is Tiffany. (Yes, it is PINK but I can tolerate that opaque, creamy, dinner-mint pink petal color in combo with their clear yellow base. Nice rose.)I have resisted the bag roses so far this year. But it is early! I'm disappointed with the way that Ingrid Bergman has weathered winter as well and I'm thinking of moving it. I actually haven't pruned it yet though. What is wrong with her? I want Ingrid, and also Christian Dior, since another poster raved about it. My cheapy bagged Chrysler Imperial made it in a pot but is down to one healthy cane. The plan was to dig out Mr. Lincoln (very sad but the last rose with terrible canker left in my garden- -gotta go) and put Chrysler there. But Mr. L. may have won a reprieve since Chrysler may be on its last legs. Of course, there are always the potted roses!! They ought to arrive first week in April. |
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On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 12:49:23 -0500 (EST), "Shiva"
wrote: dave weil wrote: Well, right on schedule, I noticed the first rose bud of the season this morning, a modest little puppy on my first blooming rose of the year - Old Blush. It always beats everything else by weeks. I expect to see hundreds of buds crop up in the next few days. Grrr! How do you get a bud this early! I'm green. Get Old Blush. chuckle Nothing else is even close to setting buds... Monday and Tuesday were spent feeding and doing some light pruning. Seems like I've lost my standard (I didn't heel it in, so this should be an object lesson, right Shiva?) Hell, I guess so. I've never had a standard. If you can't grow them without burying them for the winter, bet I can't. Well, I didn't leave it in the shed like I usually do. I don't remember how it got outside but it did, and it stayed through the snows... The Europeana with the rose gall doesn't look well at all, but we'll see what happens. I have a little KMart stumpy Europeana (it's true, as I saw one little bloom last year) in a pot that made it through the winter and appears to be taking off. Speaking of cheapy stumpy bagged roses--the ONLY one I have that now looks like a normal rose is Tiffany. (Yes, it is PINK but I can tolerate that opaque, creamy, dinner-mint pink petal color in combo with their clear yellow base. Nice rose.)I have resisted the bag roses so far this year. But it is early! You'll really like Eurpoeana as it should throw some nice clusters this year for you. I bought a new cheap one myself and it looks pretty healthy (it's in my next to the porch garden). I'm disappointed with the way that Ingrid Bergman has weathered winter as well and I'm thinking of moving it. I actually haven't pruned it yet though. What is wrong with her? I want Ingrid, and also Christian Dior, since another poster raved about it. My cheapy bagged Chrysler Imperial made it in a pot but is down to one healthy cane. The plan was to dig out Mr. Lincoln (very sad but the last rose with terrible canker left in my garden- -gotta go) and put Chrysler there. But Mr. L. may have won a reprieve since Chrysler may be on its last legs. Of course, there are always the potted roses!! They ought to arrive first week in April. Ingrid is looking a bit anorexic. There are only two good canes now. One of them is pretty stalky so I'm going to have to cut it off. The other is just a nub, but it has new growth coming out of it. It's just too close to Old Blush I think. It needs to be out in the open...I think I'll do that after the last frost, which should be in the next week or so... |
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On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 14:54:29 -0600, dave weil
wrote: Grrr! How do you get a bud this early! I'm green. Get Old Blush. chuckle Nothing else is even close to setting buds... I am not sophisticated enough to appreciate once-bloomers, don't you know. G Hell, I guess so. I've never had a standard. If you can't grow them without burying them for the winter, bet I can't. Well, I didn't leave it in the shed like I usually do. I don't remember how it got outside but it did, and it stayed through the snows... Damn, Sidney! One of those walking standards. It might be better for all of us that it did not live. You'll really like Eurpoeana as it should throw some nice clusters this year for you. Believe it or not, Europeana was among the second batch of roses I bought--and was in its third year when the voles killed it. I have never seen such an even, beautifully rounded shape on any floribunda, and I love the deep red new growth. More red than most. I used to cut a spray and stick the whole thing in a vase and it looked arranged. What is wrong with her? Ingrid is looking a bit anorexic. There are only two good canes now. One of them is pretty stalky so I'm going to have to cut it off. But why?? Why cut off only one of her two good canes? There is a special place in hell for the prune happy, you know. |
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dave weil wrote:
I am not sophisticated enough to appreciate once-bloomers, don't you know. G What does that have to do with Old Blush? g Old Blush is, as you describe it, a once-bloomer. I wouldn't consider Old Blush to be a once bloomer, although it certainly isn't a "continuous" bloomer. You said one big flush then an occasional flower all season long. That's close enough to once for me. I don't mind high maintenance roses, but they have to put out, you know? Damn, Sidney! One of those walking standards. It might be better for all of us that it did not live. Maybe they could be trained to do the shopping... Nah, just imagine what it would come home with. Man cannot live by manure alone. Europeana Yep, really pretty. Sadly, I just dug up the one with rose gall. I'm not sure if it was the gall, the winter, or the lack of light that did it in (or a combination). I think that Old Blush just made it hard for Europeana and Ingrid to flourish. I actually moved Ingrid yesterday as well and now it sits next to Papa Meilland. You know. Now that you mention another fabulous red rose, I am thinking I have a big decision to make re what to replace Mr. Lincoln with. The bed is all red and white. It goes: Scentimental, Full Sail, Mr. L., Don Juan, and Sombrueil. I don't want another reach-for-the-sky hybrid tea, though one a bit less upright than Mr. L. will do. Could be Papa M, maybe Chrysler Imperial, or perhaps Ingrid. I have also thought about Oklahoma, which is one we do not see mentioned too often. However, the site is in full sun all day, so O's black-red petal edges will probably burn. Tellme, do you grow Don Juan? But why?? Why cut off only one of her two good canes? There is a special place in hell for the prune happy, you know. Now you know that I'm not one of those peeps. My termonology was bad. I didn't mean cut it off like it sounded. The thing is, As far as I know, IB should be more of a squat 3 footer. Mine started life that way but most of the five or six canes have bit the dust and all I have is one long cane and one smaller bit that's starting to come back. Basically it looks like this after transplanting: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil...idBergman1.jpg http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil...idBergman2.jpg I'd say that that long cane looks pretty leggy, wouldn't you? Last year it looked like this: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil...05.14.2002.jpg And this (it's on the right of Europeana): http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil...idBergman3.jpg I'm hoping that maybe I'll get some more basal growth and I'm hoping that it will "fill in" a little... Mill's Magic Mix. Honestly, I have never seen anything like it for producing basals. Put it down, see basals inside of two weeks. |
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On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 12:40:07 -0500 (EST), in rec.gardens.roses you
wrote: dave weil wrote: I am not sophisticated enough to appreciate once-bloomers, don't you know. G What does that have to do with Old Blush? g Old Blush is, as you describe it, a once-bloomer. I wouldn't consider Old Blush to be a once bloomer, although it certainly isn't a "continuous" bloomer. You said one big flush then an occasional flower all season long. That's close enough to once for me. I don't mind high maintenance roses, but they have to put out, you know? As it turns out, it's considered a repeat bloomer. I forgot about the smaller late summer flush, which isn't nearly what the spring flush is, of course. Still, this might not be enough for you. Damn, Sidney! One of those walking standards. It might be better for all of us that it did not live. Maybe they could be trained to do the shopping... Nah, just imagine what it would come home with. Man cannot live by manure alone. Europeana Yep, really pretty. Sadly, I just dug up the one with rose gall. I'm not sure if it was the gall, the winter, or the lack of light that did it in (or a combination). I think that Old Blush just made it hard for Europeana and Ingrid to flourish. I actually moved Ingrid yesterday as well and now it sits next to Papa Meilland. You know. Now that you mention another fabulous red rose, I am thinking I have a big decision to make re what to replace Mr. Lincoln with. The bed is all red and white. It goes: Scentimental, Full Sail, Mr. L., Don Juan, and Sombrueil. I don't want another reach-for-the-sky hybrid tea, though one a bit less upright than Mr. L. will do. Well, Papa is about as upright as you can get. and the stems are really long - 2 1/2 feet. Could be Papa M, maybe Chrysler Imperial, or perhaps Ingrid. Ingrid is a pretty small rose from what I understand. I think it's listed at 3 1/2 - 4 feet. Last year was the second year and it was pretty squat. I have also thought about Oklahoma, which is one we do not see mentioned too often. However, the site is in full sun all day, so O's black-red petal edges will probably burn. Tellme, do you grow Don Juan? No I don't. Also, since you mention sun, Ingrid's blooms get small in the heat of the summer, plus, they tend to blue after about a week. But why?? Why cut off only one of her two good canes? There is a special place in hell for the prune happy, you know. Now you know that I'm not one of those peeps. My termonology was bad. I didn't mean cut it off like it sounded. The thing is, As far as I know, IB should be more of a squat 3 footer. Mine started life that way but most of the five or six canes have bit the dust and all I have is one long cane and one smaller bit that's starting to come back. Basically it looks like this after transplanting: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil...idBergman1.jpg http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil...idBergman2.jpg I'd say that that long cane looks pretty leggy, wouldn't you? Last year it looked like this: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil...05.14.2002.jpg And this (it's on the right of Europeana): http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil...idBergman3.jpg I'm hoping that maybe I'll get some more basal growth and I'm hoping that it will "fill in" a little... Mill's Magic Mix. Honestly, I have never seen anything like it for producing basals. Put it down, see basals inside of two weeks. I'm hoping that the fish emulsion, blood meal, epson salts, Osmocote and alfalfa will accomplish the same thing. But maybe I should get some Mills Mix anyway. After all, he's just around the corner, so to speak...of course, it'd probably be overkill at this point, so maybe I'll wait until mid-season... |
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You know. Now that you mention another fabulous red rose, I am thinking I have a big decision to make re what to replace Mr. Lincoln with. The bed is all red and white. It goes: Scentimental, Full Sail, Mr. L., Don Juan, and Sombrueil. I don't want another reach-for-the-sky hybrid tea, though one a bit less upright than Mr. L. will do. Could be Papa M, maybe Chrysler Imperial, or perhaps Ingrid. I have also thought about Oklahoma, which is one we do not see mentioned too often. However, the site is in full sun all day, so O's black-red petal edges will probably burn. Tellme, do you grow Don Juan? Have you thought about Kentucky Derby? I'm experimenting with a couple of those this year, and they seem to be doing very well in full sun thus far, plus they're bushing out nicely. Not fragrant like the Chrysler Imperial family (Papa M, Oklahoma, Mr. L) but gorgeous buds (one bush I bought from a nursery in Florida has several large buds that are starting to open) with classic to deep red large blooms on a theoretically non-diva plant. Also - I'm the one toying with the cheap bagged Christian Diors trying to match a super-fragrant Dior of unknown origin. I love my fragrant one and can't rave enough about it, but I'd advise anyone else to wait until I find it's match before buying any Diors. The main thing I've learned in my search is that there are HUGE differences between one Dior and the next. And if I weren't absolutely hell-bent on finding more like the first, I wouldn't have bought half of them. One of the cheap bagged brands seems promising, but I won't know until summer if I've found the winner. If not, they're just more cheap bagged roses. Mill's Magic Mix. Honestly, I have never seen anything like it for producing basals. Put it down, see basals inside of two weeks. I gotta give this stuff a shot - several of my roses lost canes over the winter, including a few that are down to one good cane each. I drove to Hastings (biggest nursery in the Atlanta area) but they were out of stock and had just ordered more. So I bought a bag of RoseTone to hold me over for about two weeks until I can go back and get some Mills. It looked like a reasonably close match, at least to start out with. Smells nasty too - the divas will love it. |
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torgo wrote:
Have you thought about Kentucky Derby? I'm experimenting with a couple of those this year, and they seem to be doing very well in full sun thus far, plus they're bushing out nicely. Nope, because I haven't heard of it until now! Not fragrant Oops, stop right there! Gotta have fragrance in all but the most visibly delectable roses. REALLY gotta have it in the big blousy red hts. We all have our quirks. G Also - I'm the one toying with the cheap bagged Christian Diors trying to match a super-fragrant Dior of unknown origin. I love my fragrant one and can't rave enough about it, but I'd advise anyone else to wait until I find it's match before buying any Diors. I have two words for you: buy potted. In bloom. Makes life simple. |
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On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 23:12:19 -0500 (EST), "Shiva"
wrote: Not fragrant Oops, stop right there! Gotta have fragrance in all but the most visibly delectable roses. REALLY gotta have it in the big blousy red hts. We all have our quirks. G The first Kentucky Derby bud is now opening. It does seem to have some fragrance after all, though not as powerful as Chrysler Imperial or Mr. L. I'll wait for it to open fully before I give its fragrance the final judgement. I also bought a second one from a different source. It will be interesting to see the differences between the two once the second one starts to bloom. I'm with you on the fragrance issue. I want the mailman to be able to find my house blindfolded. Kentucky Derby is now part of the ever-growing collection of reds in my yard - C. Dior, Oklahoma, Mr. L. , Chrysler Imperial, Papa M, Crimson Glory, Europeana, and now Kentucky Derby, Veterans Honor and Taboo, I'll probably add Red Planet and a few others to the list before the year is out. (I'm just a beginner, so I wouldn't know a rugosa from a rug, but by fall I'll be quite knowledgeable on the finer differences between various long stemmed deep red hybrid teas...) wait until I find it's match before buying any Diors. I have two words for you: buy potted. In bloom. Makes life simple. Except that I haven't found a potted one in bloom with real fragrance. For that matter, Roses Unlimited has been the only nursery within driving distance (loosely defined as anything 2 states away or closer) that I've found so far that carries potted Christian Diors at all. So I've taken an otherwise wasted 2 foot wide strip between my driveway and my neighbor's chain link fence and turned it into a test bed. Eventually I'll find a match. In the meantime, I'm hiding a fence. Besides, this insane search is what got me hooked on growing roses, so all in all I'd say it's a Good Thing. |
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The Blue Girls and the red mystery rose have buds!!! I'm restraining
myself from checking them frequently for progress as I suspect the little tempermental divas will deliberately slow down development just to torment me. *smile* Okay, I'm going to admit straight up that I can be really dense sometimes. Over the weekend I realized that one of my mystery roses may actually be a rooted cutting from the rose beside it. I started looking at it closely because the leaf configuration and development is identical on the two plants. And, in looking at the "mother" plant, I think I even know where the cutting was taken from. However, I think the reason I didn't pay any attention to this last year is that a) it was the first spring in this house and I was doing massive amounts of work on the landscaping and b) the roses on these two plants are different colours. Same colour family but one is definitely darker than the other. My question for all of you with more experience in rooting cuttings - can the difference of one rose being a graft and the other being own root cause a difference in colour? Susan s h simko at duke dot edu |
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Susan H. Simko wrote:
The Blue Girls and the red mystery rose have buds!!! I'm restraining myself from checking them frequently for progress as I suspect the little tempermental divas will deliberately slow down development just to torment me. *smile* Ha ha! They will, they will! When the red blooms, lay it on your scanner if you can bear to cut the bloom. Let us help you id it, that's always fun. I love red roses. Got two dozen longstems for my birthday--so beautiful but so sterile smelling. I always feel great about growing rose when I take a whiff of a florist rose. [Left your other questions unanswered because I am among the uninitiated with regard to propagating from cuttings or any other way.] Did you see some snow yesterday? I understand Durham had some for about the time it took to fall from the sky to the pavement. |
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Shiva wrote:
Susan H. Simko wrote: The Blue Girls and the red mystery rose have buds!!! I'm restraining myself from checking them frequently for progress as I suspect the little tempermental divas will deliberately slow down development just to torment me. *smile* Ha ha! They will, they will! When the red blooms, lay it on your scanner if you can bear to cut the bloom. Let us help you id it, that's always fun. I love red roses. Got two dozen longstems for my birthday--so beautiful but so sterile smelling. I always feel great about growing rose when I take a whiff of a florist rose. Me? Not cut roses? I want that fragrance and I want it in my house and all around me! *grin* I've been taking photographs of everything this year so I'll probably just take a photo of the cut rose and then scan that. After all I don't want to crush a perfectly good rose in my scanner as I don't have quite as many roses as some other people do! *grin* Because of that, I try to make my cut roses last a little longer. Then again, too, this year I will also have double the roses I had last year. Right now, I think the s.o. will be happy to see rose "season" start and hyacinth season end as there have been a few comments that the roses aren't as heavily scented as the cut hyacinths. I'm hoping Double Delight puts an end to that. Funny, I love red roses but only if they have scent. Florist roses always irritate me due to the lack of scent and because most of the time they never even open because the stems are damaged under the heads even when they've been wired. My favourite cut flower from a store are alstroemeria lilies. However, since I also have an entire bed devoted to them that should be coming into flower this year, the s.o. may have to come up with something else... Did you see some snow yesterday? I understand Durham had some for about the time it took to fall from the sky to the pavement. I was actually in Raleigh yesterday when the precip was happening. What I saw was rain = slush = hail = slush = hail = rain as I was in out and out of HomeGoods, Petsmart and the grocery store. Susan s h simko at duke dot edu |
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Susan H. Simko wrote:
Me? Not cut roses? I want that fragrance and I want it in my house and all around me! *grin* More and more you sound like me, with your roses. What I love is that there is no price to pay for cutting--you just get more roses! I've been taking photographs of everything this year so I'll probably just take a photo of the cut rose and then scan that. After all I don't want to crush a perfectly good rose in my scanner as I don't have quite as many roses as some other people do! They don't crush, you prop the lid up. I'll post a few. If you are taking photos, though, you don't need to scan them. I just don't have the time to take pictures and develop the film, and I have no digital camera, so I have scanned them because it is fast and sometimes pretty in its own way. Funny, I love red roses but only if they have scent. Florist roses always irritate me due to the lack of scent and because most of the time they never even open because the stems are damaged under the heads even when they've been wired. This is true. I am coaxing mine along, and about half have opened. My favourite cut flower from a store are alstroemeria lilies. However, since I also have an entire bed devoted to them that should be coming into flower this year, the s.o. may have to come up with something else... Is this the same as a Peruvian Lily?? I was actually in Raleigh yesterday when the precip was happening. What I saw was rain = slush = hail = slush = hail = rain as I was in out and out of HomeGoods, Petsmart and the grocery store. Homegoods? What is that? Can there be some retail I've missed? G |
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Shiva wrote:
More and more you sound like me, with your roses. What I love is that there is no price to pay for cutting--you just get more roses! I love to be rewarded like that. I'm hoping that I have enough roses this year to achieve critical mass - when I'm ready to "toss" the roses in the house, I have more waiting to be cut. They don't crush, you prop the lid up. I'll post a few. If you are taking photos, though, you don't need to scan them. I just don't have the time to take pictures and develop the film, and I have no digital camera, so I have scanned them because it is fast and sometimes pretty in its own way I'll have to play with that when I have some in bloom. Do you use fabric or any kind of paper to provide a background/contrast to the rose when scanned? I know I could probably also add it via photoshop but sometimes it's easier just to have it ther ein the first place. Oh my, I can just see the s.o. now. Two 35 mm cameras, a digital camera and she's scanning flowers directly on the scanner bed. *grin* My favourite cut flower from a store are alstroemeria lilies. However, since I also have an entire bed devoted to them that should be coming into flower this year, the s.o. may have to come up with something else... Is this the same as a Peruvian Lily?? Yep. I have an entire bed devoted to them outside my kitchen windows. I bought them from two different sources. One source, sent them as tubers. I put the tubers in last spring and have just seen growth from them this spring. (Fortunately I was warned that this might happen.) The other source sent potted plants which I put in last fall. Bed has some white asiatic lilies (can't remember what they are which is why I have plant tags with their names on it in the bed), star gazer lilies and baby's breath for accent with a row of freesia in the front. Homegoods? What is that? Can there be some retail I've missed? G It's in the shopping center right where I540 and 70 meet. Also in the shopping center is Dick's Sporting Goods, Petsmart, Michael's, Bob Evan's Restaurant, BJs Wholesale and a bunch of other stores. I'm there frequently because I live about 10 minutes away from there. Homegoods is a part of the TJ Maxx chain (there's also a TJ Maxx next door) and specializes in just home decor type stuff at great prices. I love the store and I love my TJX master card which sends me a $10 gift certificate (redeemable at TJ Maxx, Homegoods, and a few other stores) for every $1000 spent. Susan s h simko at duke dot edu |
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