Ok, I have a lot of lilys with what looks like hail damage, but it is
not. The damage looks like a hole with about 270 degrees of its
circumference seperated from the lilly and a small portion that is
still attached., sort of like a large hole that is punched in a paper
but with a little portion of the material left like a hinge......I
have looked and looked for bugs, but nothing that I could see, its
certainly not hail,,,,,,so what is it thats making these holes and
whats the cure...........

Awhile back I had ranted and raved about how nice an vigorous the
Charlies Choice water lily is.....It is continually pushing out new
leaves, which get to about the size of a soft drink can bottom at the
most.....say 2, 2 1/2 inches or so. Its stems and leaves are always
unruly and makes one tangled mess.......Space is not a problem,
neither is the size pot its planted in.....Its fertilized with "real
lily fertilizer" not tomatoe stakes.......has a minimum of 8 hours sun
mostly more, and the water temp where its at is mid to high 80's
......Absolutely no current or water splaching on it either....At any
given time you can look at the crown and see dozen and dozens of new
leaves forming and starting to push upwards. OK, now the main problem
is once a leaf is on the surface, it lasts no more than 5 to 7 days
and its rotted and black....I had been watching this plant very
closely as leaves virtually rotted over night.........and from the
time a leaf hits the surface no matter what size it is, its blac,k and
mushy and rotted within a week....yes it puts up a heap of leaves
constantly, more than any other lily I have ever seen......I just
wonder if this perpetual leaf machine is like this due to its short
term life expectency of its leafs or what? I have knocked back
sunlight to a minimum of 4 or 5 hours, and tried all sorts of other
things, but the results never vary, they still rot within a
week......the blooms are fantastic with every day of the three day
period getting a different color, but its sure a mess keeping leaves
cleaned up off just this one plant...........Thnking seriously of
pulling it out and putting it in the other large aquarium, since it
has yet to even fill 1/2 the top surface of a half barrel......More
like maybe a 12 to 16 inch diameter at most.

Any suggestions on the holes in the regular hardy tuype lilys and the
rotting leaves on the Charlies Choice lily appreciated.

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Put some color in your cheeks...garden naked!
"The original frugal ponder"
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On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 17:41:02 GMT, (Roy) wrote:

Ok, I have a lot of lilys with what looks like hail damage, but it is
not. The damage looks like a hole with about 270 degrees of its
circumference seperated from the lilly and a small portion that is
still attached., sort of like a large hole that is punched in a paper
but with a little portion of the material left like a hinge......I
have looked and looked for bugs, but nothing that I could see, its
certainly not hail,,,,,,so what is it thats making these holes and
whats the cure...........

If not hail, how about this critter, the China Mark Moth?
http://www.victoria-adventure.org/wa...ars/page1.html

In my encyclopedia of WG plants by Speichert he mentions China Mark Moth, I
suspect from a picture in here and your description below that this
caterpillar is causing that plant to have problems too. The recommended
treatment is Btk (Bacillus Thuringiensis var. kurstaki. ~ jan

.....Absolutely no current or water splaching on it either....At any
given time you can look at the crown and see dozen and dozens of new
leaves forming and starting to push upwards. OK, now the main problem
is once a leaf is on the surface, it lasts no more than 5 to 7 days
and its rotted and black....I had been watching this plant very
closely as leaves virtually rotted over night.........and from the
time a leaf hits the surface no matter what size it is, its blac,k and
mushy and rotted within a week....yes it puts up a heap of leaves
constantly, more than any other lily I have ever seen......I just
wonder if this perpetual leaf machine is like this due to its short
term life expectency of its leafs or what? I have knocked back
sunlight to a minimum of 4 or 5 hours, and tried all sorts of other
things, but the results never vary, they still rot within a
week......the blooms are fantastic with every day of the three day
period getting a different color, but its sure a mess keeping leaves
cleaned up off just this one plant...........Thnking seriously of
pulling it out and putting it in the other large aquarium, since it
has yet to even fill 1/2 the top surface of a half barrel......More
like maybe a 12 to 16 inch diameter at most.

Any suggestions on the holes in the regular hardy tuype lilys and the
rotting leaves on the Charlies Choice lily appreciated.


~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

Called the nursery where I got the Charlies Choice, and they asked a
few questions, and wa then told to bring the plant back in, which I
did......Thier vendor looked at it, and later on I was called and told
to come pick out another plant......The nursery nor vendor had any
clue as to why leaves and stems would rot within a few days....so I
picked up anoher Helvola, which has some nice growth, and fits
perfectly in the half barrel. In just a few days it produced 8 buds
with 4 of them opening this week, and should have more today....

So, no more charlies choice, at least not from that nursery.......

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Put some color in your cheeks...garden naked!
"The original frugal ponder"
~~~~ }((((o ~~~~~~ }{{{{o ~~~~~~~ }(((((o

Update on the Charlies Choice..........Vendor wanted to see it, so
since i had it pulled out and replaced it with another lily (Helvola)
I carried it to the nursery when they called and said the vendor was
there.. He said he has had quite a few Charlies Choice do the same
thing this year for some reason or other, and told me to just trash
it, and go pick out any other lily.......

Since the crown had lots of very tiny new growth, I told him I would
like to see if this plant placed in aperfectly controlled water
conditions would have any better results, so we cut off a portion and
I carried it back home and placed it in a 20 gal tank with some
guppies with full specturm lighting.....I also carried home a Fabiola
(Pink Beauty) as a replacement for the Charlies Choice.

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Put some color in your cheeks...garden naked!
"The original frugal ponder"
~~~~ }((((o ~~~~~~ }{{{{o ~~~~~~~ }(((((o

On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:11:00 GMT, (Roy) wrote:

Since the crown had lots of very tiny new growth, I told him I would
like to see if this plant placed in aperfectly controlled water
conditions would have any better results, so we cut off a portion and
I carried it back home and placed it in a 20 gal tank with some
guppies with full specturm lighting.....

Keep us posted on what happens. ~ jan

~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~