More accurately, they can live without it for a while.

An article in the current Science News (Oct. 2, 2004) talks about
research done on the crucian carp. The article mentions goldfish near
the end. They have a form of metabolism they can call on to survive
without oxygen. They can convert the lactic acid that builds up into
ethanol and excrete that through the gills.

Science news is available on line at:

www.sciencenews.org

but it is a pay service.


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- Charles
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Charles wrote:

More accurately, they can live without it for a while.

An article in the current Science News (Oct. 2, 2004) talks about
research done on the crucian carp. The article mentions goldfish near
the end. They have a form of metabolism they can call on to survive
without oxygen. They can convert the lactic acid that builds up into
ethanol and excrete that through the gills.

Science news is available on line at:

www.sciencenews.org

but it is a pay service.

Cut and paste it please. No living animal(as far as I am aware) casn live
without oxygen.

In message , Geezer From The Freezer
writes


Charles wrote:

More accurately, they can live without it for a while.

An article in the current Science News (Oct. 2, 2004) talks about
research done on the crucian carp. The article mentions goldfish near
the end. They have a form of metabolism they can call on to survive
without oxygen. They can convert the lactic acid that builds up into
ethanol and excrete that through the gills.

Science news is available on line at:

www.sciencenews.org

but it is a pay service.

Cut and paste it please. No living animal(as far as I am aware) casn live
without oxygen.

it's extreme low oxygen rather than total oxygen deprivation. Loads of
info on it he

http://tinyurl.com/5bdjc

--
sophie

sophie wrote:

In message , Geezer From The Freezer
writes


Charles wrote:

More accurately, they can live without it for a while.

An article in the current Science News (Oct. 2, 2004) talks about
research done on the crucian carp. The article mentions goldfish near
the end. They have a form of metabolism they can call on to survive
without oxygen. They can convert the lactic acid that builds up into
ethanol and excrete that through the gills.

Science news is available on line at:

www.sciencenews.org

but it is a pay service.

Cut and paste it please. No living animal(as far as I am aware) casn live
without oxygen.

it's extreme low oxygen rather than total oxygen deprivation. Loads of
info on it he

Well yes, they are extremely small (in comparison to other living animals), they
also
lower their metabolism in cold water. Take into consideration that colder water
can
hold more oxygen too.

"sophie" wrote in message
...
In message , Geezer From The Freezer
writes

it's extreme low oxygen rather than total oxygen deprivation. Loads of
info on it he

http://tinyurl.com/5bdjc


Just a FYI.. Tinyurl installs spyware/adware if you use it to browse...

Gareee© wrote:

"sophie" wrote in message
...
In message , Geezer From The Freezer
writes

it's extreme low oxygen rather than total oxygen deprivation. Loads of
info on it he

http://tinyurl.com/5bdjc


Just a FYI.. Tinyurl installs spyware/adware if you use it to browse...

LOL. Not a chance.
--
derek

Gareee© wrote:

"sophie" wrote in message
...
In message , Geezer From The Freezer
writes

it's extreme low oxygen rather than total oxygen deprivation. Loads of
info on it he

http://tinyurl.com/5bdjc


Just a FYI.. Tinyurl installs spyware/adware if you use it to browse...

Further, here's exactly what Tinyurl does - I send it a URL, it sends back a
page with a redirect, my browser asks for the redirected page, and there I
am at Google...

derek@iago:~$ wget http://tinyurl.com/5bdjc
--11:25:23-- http://tinyurl.com/5bdjc
= `5bdjc'
Resolving tinyurl.com... 216.234.186.14
Connecting to tinyurl.com[216.234.186.14]:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 302 Found
Location: http://redirecting.tinyurl.com/redirect.php?num=5bdjc [following]
--11:25:24-- http://redirecting.tinyurl.com/redirect.php?num=5bdjc
= `redirect.php?num=5bdjc'
Resolving redirecting.tinyurl.com... 66.98.140.48
Connecting to redirecting.tinyurl.com[66.98.140.48]:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 302 Found
Location:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en...e+Search&meta=
[following]
--11:25:24--
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en...e+Search&meta=
=
`search?hl=en&q="crucian+carp"+oxygen&btnG=Google+ Search&meta='
Resolving www.google.co.uk... 216.239.41.99, 216.239.41.104
Connecting to www.google.co.uk[216.239.41.99]:80... connected.

--
derek

and be sure to try this only with crucian carp too. Ingrid


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Gareee© wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/5bdjc


Just a FYI.. Tinyurl installs spyware/adware if you use it to
browse...

Not on my machine it doesn't...

-Donald
--
Unix *is* user friendly. It's just picky about who its friends are.

In message , Gareee©
writes
"sophie" wrote in message
...
In message , Geezer From The Freezer
writes

it's extreme low oxygen rather than total oxygen deprivation. Loads of
info on it he

http://tinyurl.com/5bdjc


Just a FYI.. Tinyurl installs spyware/adware if you use it to browse...

eh?
--
sophie

In message , Geezer From The Freezer
writes


sophie wrote:

In message , Geezer From The Freezer
writes


Charles wrote:

More accurately, they can live without it for a while.

An article in the current Science News (Oct. 2, 2004) talks about
research done on the crucian carp. The article mentions goldfish near
the end. They have a form of metabolism they can call on to survive
without oxygen. They can convert the lactic acid that builds up into
ethanol and excrete that through the gills.

Science news is available on line at:

www.sciencenews.org

but it is a pay service.

Cut and paste it please. No living animal(as far as I am aware) casn live
without oxygen.

it's extreme low oxygen rather than total oxygen deprivation. Loads of
info on it he

Well yes, they are extremely small (in comparison to other living
animals), they
also
lower their metabolism in cold water. Take into consideration that colder water
can
hold more oxygen too.

I don't _think_ that living through anoxia is unique, anyway; the
article I glanced at suggested that they were the only animals that can
do it _in cold conditions_ and _while their hearts continue to beat_.
Even people can survive what is effectively death by drowning if they
are cold enough, I believe.

--
sophie

On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 03:29:49 GMT, Charles
wrote:

More accurately, they can live without it for a while.

An article in the current Science News (Oct. 2, 2004) talks about
research done on the crucian carp.
They can convert the lactic acid that builds up into
ethanol and excrete that through the gills.
So if we could capture the ethanol from their gills . . .
wallah, a fish-still.
--
Crashj

On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:53:00 -0400, "Gareee©"
wrote:
"sophie" wrote in message
...
In message , Geezer From The Freezer
writes
it's extreme low oxygen rather than total oxygen deprivation. Loads of
info on it he
http://tinyurl.com/5bdjc
Just a FYI.. Tinyurl installs spyware/adware if you use it to browse...
Sorry for the crosspost, but what about snipurl.com?
--
Crashj

collections of quotes Just a FYI.. Tinyurl installs spyware/adware if you use
it to browse...
Sorry for the crosspost, but what about snipurl.com?

Is this an occasion of there is no such thing as a free lunch? Don't want to
use these if that is the case.



kathy :-)
zone 7, SE WA state

On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 10:14:02 +0100, Geezer From The Freezer
wrote:



Charles wrote:

More accurately, they can live without it for a while.

An article in the current Science News (Oct. 2, 2004) talks about
research done on the crucian carp. The article mentions goldfish near
the end. They have a form of metabolism they can call on to survive
without oxygen. They can convert the lactic acid that builds up into
ethanol and excrete that through the gills.

Science news is available on line at:

www.sciencenews.org

but it is a pay service.

Cut and paste it please. No living animal(as far as I am aware) casn live
without oxygen.


Cut and Paste would be messy, I get the paper version.

The fish can survive for some time without oxygen, it can't thrive,
grow or reproduce.
--

- Charles
-
-does not play well with others