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Doctor John,
About 40 years ago, I lived in Larimer County also, probably a little farther up in the mountains at Estes Park. Was back last year for class reunion. Country is still beautiful, but for a flat lander, the elevation was a little hard to take. -- RichToyBox http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/index.html "Doctor John" wrote in message ... I'm in the mountains outside of Fort Collins... I just don't get this barley straw thing. I've read of many positive results, and even a couple research papers which indicated it works. My experience with it has been disappointing, to say the least. It may be that under very specific circumstances - pH, nutrient level, temperature, level of string algae infestation, etc. - barely straw will have some effect. Anyway, I'll never use it again. Anyone want to buy my two bales of barely straw :-) ?? "news.pcisys.net" wrote in message ... So did I DJ. Did not do much to clear my water. Even a bunch of folks at PPWGS here in Springs, swear by it. I am building a veggie filter this weekend. Nothing to lose except murky water. And even if it does not clear things up, will be a nice landscaping to the back yard. Where are you in Colorado? W. Dale Doctor John wrote: I've tried barely straw and found it to be totally ineffective. I guess some people report that it works - maybe in a warm climate. I put bags of it in my pond here in Colorado, and the string algae is growing on the bags! Dr. John "elaine" wrote in message . .. We are still fighting the green pond thing although the water is clearing a bit, thanks in part to something from Laguna that is supposed to make the suspended alagae clump therefore making it easier for your filter to grab. Not a big fan of the chemical thing, but since it said nothing about killing the algae I figured I would let the SO have his way and try it. The LFS has bags of Barley straw pellets on sale that I would like to try but the SO says that the tannins in it will turn the pond brown? I had never heard this but this whole pond thing is new to me. Thanks for the help Elaine |
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I'm in Fort Collins.
I tried barley pellets and the verdict is still out. The string algae decreased but now the iris and WH are getting pale. So I fertilized the iris and we'll see. Ofcourse, that hail storm a week ago did a job and the WH too. Doctor John wrote: I'm in the mountains outside of Fort Collins... I just don't get this barley straw thing. I've read of many positive results, and even a couple research papers which indicated it works. My experience with it has been disappointing, to say the least. It may be that under very specific circumstances - pH, nutrient level, temperature, level of string algae infestation, etc. - barely straw will have some effect. Anyway, I'll never use it again. Anyone want to buy my two bales of barely straw :-) ?? "news.pcisys.net" wrote in message ... So did I DJ. Did not do much to clear my water. Even a bunch of folks at PPWGS here in Springs, swear by it. I am building a veggie filter this weekend. Nothing to lose except murky water. And even if it does not clear things up, will be a nice landscaping to the back yard. Where are you in Colorado? W. Dale Doctor John wrote: I've tried barely straw and found it to be totally ineffective. I guess some people report that it works - maybe in a warm climate. I put bags of it in my pond here in Colorado, and the string algae is growing on the bags! Dr. John "elaine" wrote in message om... We are still fighting the green pond thing although the water is clearing a bit, thanks in part to something from Laguna that is supposed to make the suspended alagae clump therefore making it easier for your filter to grab. Not a big fan of the chemical thing, but since it said nothing about killing the algae I figured I would let the SO have his way and try it. The LFS has bags of Barley straw pellets on sale that I would like to try but the SO says that the tannins in it will turn the pond brown? I had never heard this but this whole pond thing is new to me. Thanks for the help Elaine |
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I'm in Fort Collins.
I tried barley pellets and the verdict is still out. The string algae decreased but now the iris and WH are getting pale. So I fertilized the iris and we'll see. Ofcourse, that hail storm a week ago did a job and the WH too. Doctor John wrote: I'm in the mountains outside of Fort Collins... I just don't get this barley straw thing. I've read of many positive results, and even a couple research papers which indicated it works. My experience with it has been disappointing, to say the least. It may be that under very specific circumstances - pH, nutrient level, temperature, level of string algae infestation, etc. - barely straw will have some effect. Anyway, I'll never use it again. Anyone want to buy my two bales of barely straw :-) ?? "news.pcisys.net" wrote in message ... So did I DJ. Did not do much to clear my water. Even a bunch of folks at PPWGS here in Springs, swear by it. I am building a veggie filter this weekend. Nothing to lose except murky water. And even if it does not clear things up, will be a nice landscaping to the back yard. Where are you in Colorado? W. Dale Doctor John wrote: I've tried barely straw and found it to be totally ineffective. I guess some people report that it works - maybe in a warm climate. I put bags of it in my pond here in Colorado, and the string algae is growing on the bags! Dr. John "elaine" wrote in message om... We are still fighting the green pond thing although the water is clearing a bit, thanks in part to something from Laguna that is supposed to make the suspended alagae clump therefore making it easier for your filter to grab. Not a big fan of the chemical thing, but since it said nothing about killing the algae I figured I would let the SO have his way and try it. The LFS has bags of Barley straw pellets on sale that I would like to try but the SO says that the tannins in it will turn the pond brown? I had never heard this but this whole pond thing is new to me. Thanks for the help Elaine |
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I'm in Castle Rock Colorado and I think that the straw may be the answer to
my trouble with algae. I had spent $$ for the straw I got at the garden center this spring, but I think that is why I did not have the algae problem this year like I had last year. So I now got a 80 pound bale (for 1/2 what I paid for the two hands full) and making my own little bags for my pound. The ones that I got from the garden center where all but gone and started to see the algae coming back. My pond get sun all day so the algae really can take off, but this year we have had maybe a few hands full that I pulled out. Last year I was taking ice-cream pails full out every week. "MattR" wrote in message ... I'm in Fort Collins. I tried barley pellets and the verdict is still out. The string algae decreased but now the iris and WH are getting pale. So I fertilized the iris and we'll see. Ofcourse, that hail storm a week ago did a job and the WH too. Doctor John wrote: I'm in the mountains outside of Fort Collins... I just don't get this barley straw thing. I've read of many positive results, and even a couple research papers which indicated it works. My experience with it has been disappointing, to say the least. It may be that under very specific circumstances - pH, nutrient level, temperature, level of string algae infestation, etc. - barely straw will have some effect. Anyway, I'll never use it again. Anyone want to buy my two bales of barely straw :-) ?? "news.pcisys.net" wrote in message ... So did I DJ. Did not do much to clear my water. Even a bunch of folks at PPWGS here in Springs, swear by it. I am building a veggie filter this weekend. Nothing to lose except murky water. And even if it does not clear things up, will be a nice landscaping to the back yard. Where are you in Colorado? W. Dale Doctor John wrote: I've tried barely straw and found it to be totally ineffective. I guess some people report that it works - maybe in a warm climate. I put bags of it in my pond here in Colorado, and the string algae is growing on the bags! Dr. John "elaine" wrote in message om... We are still fighting the green pond thing although the water is clearing a bit, thanks in part to something from Laguna that is supposed to make the suspended alagae clump therefore making it easier for your filter to grab. Not a big fan of the chemical thing, but since it said nothing about killing the algae I figured I would let the SO have his way and try it. The LFS has bags of Barley straw pellets on sale that I would like to try but the SO says that the tannins in it will turn the pond brown? I had never heard this but this whole pond thing is new to me. Thanks for the help Elaine |
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I'm in Castle Rock Colorado and I think that the straw may be the answer to
my trouble with algae. I had spent $$ for the straw I got at the garden center this spring, but I think that is why I did not have the algae problem this year like I had last year. So I now got a 80 pound bale (for 1/2 what I paid for the two hands full) and making my own little bags for my pound. The ones that I got from the garden center where all but gone and started to see the algae coming back. My pond get sun all day so the algae really can take off, but this year we have had maybe a few hands full that I pulled out. Last year I was taking ice-cream pails full out every week. "MattR" wrote in message ... I'm in Fort Collins. I tried barley pellets and the verdict is still out. The string algae decreased but now the iris and WH are getting pale. So I fertilized the iris and we'll see. Ofcourse, that hail storm a week ago did a job and the WH too. Doctor John wrote: I'm in the mountains outside of Fort Collins... I just don't get this barley straw thing. I've read of many positive results, and even a couple research papers which indicated it works. My experience with it has been disappointing, to say the least. It may be that under very specific circumstances - pH, nutrient level, temperature, level of string algae infestation, etc. - barely straw will have some effect. Anyway, I'll never use it again. Anyone want to buy my two bales of barely straw :-) ?? "news.pcisys.net" wrote in message ... So did I DJ. Did not do much to clear my water. Even a bunch of folks at PPWGS here in Springs, swear by it. I am building a veggie filter this weekend. Nothing to lose except murky water. And even if it does not clear things up, will be a nice landscaping to the back yard. Where are you in Colorado? W. Dale Doctor John wrote: I've tried barely straw and found it to be totally ineffective. I guess some people report that it works - maybe in a warm climate. I put bags of it in my pond here in Colorado, and the string algae is growing on the bags! Dr. John "elaine" wrote in message om... We are still fighting the green pond thing although the water is clearing a bit, thanks in part to something from Laguna that is supposed to make the suspended alagae clump therefore making it easier for your filter to grab. Not a big fan of the chemical thing, but since it said nothing about killing the algae I figured I would let the SO have his way and try it. The LFS has bags of Barley straw pellets on sale that I would like to try but the SO says that the tannins in it will turn the pond brown? I had never heard this but this whole pond thing is new to me. Thanks for the help Elaine |
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I still have a 3/4 a bail of straw ("they" said it was barley straw)
from last year. Did not do much for the water, or so it would seem. Maybe I had it placed improperly. From what I am reading now, it should not be submerged all the way to the bottom and probably not place in the bio filter either. Maybe I will give it another try placed near the top of the water. Water has been bright to dark green all summer with about two weeks of partial clarity (could see maybe 2 feet down.) Veggie Filter should come online in about 5 days (that is when the liner is supposed to arrive.) Nice to hear from other Coloradians! :-)))) W. Dale (Spring Ranch - Colorado Springs) G & K Meyer wrote: I'm in Castle Rock Colorado and I think that the straw may be the answer to my trouble with algae. I had spent $$ for the straw I got at the garden center this spring, but I think that is why I did not have the algae problem this year like I had last year. So I now got a 80 pound bale (for 1/2 what I paid for the two hands full) and making my own little bags for my pound. The ones that I got from the garden center where all but gone and started to see the algae coming back. My pond get sun all day so the algae really can take off, but this year we have had maybe a few hands full that I pulled out. Last year I was taking ice-cream pails full out every week. "MattR" wrote in message ... I'm in Fort Collins. I tried barley pellets and the verdict is still out. The string algae decreased but now the iris and WH are getting pale. So I fertilized the iris and we'll see. Ofcourse, that hail storm a week ago did a job and the WH too. Doctor John wrote: I'm in the mountains outside of Fort Collins... I just don't get this barley straw thing. I've read of many positive results, and even a couple research papers which indicated it works. My experience with it has been disappointing, to say the least. It may be that under very specific circumstances - pH, nutrient level, temperature, level of string algae infestation, etc. - barely straw will have some effect. Anyway, I'll never use it again. Anyone want to buy my two bales of barely straw :-) ?? "news.pcisys.net" wrote in message ... So did I DJ. Did not do much to clear my water. Even a bunch of folks at PPWGS here in Springs, swear by it. I am building a veggie filter this weekend. Nothing to lose except murky water. And even if it does not clear things up, will be a nice landscaping to the back yard. Where are you in Colorado? W. Dale Doctor John wrote: I've tried barely straw and found it to be totally ineffective. I guess some people report that it works - maybe in a warm climate. I put bags of it in my pond here in Colorado, and the string algae is growing on the bags! Dr. John "elaine" wrote in message .com... We are still fighting the green pond thing although the water is clearing a bit, thanks in part to something from Laguna that is supposed to make the suspended alagae clump therefore making it easier for your filter to grab. Not a big fan of the chemical thing, but since it said nothing about killing the algae I figured I would let the SO have his way and try it. The LFS has bags of Barley straw pellets on sale that I would like to try but the SO says that the tannins in it will turn the pond brown? I had never heard this but this whole pond thing is new to me. Thanks for the help Elaine |
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I still have a 3/4 a bail of straw ("they" said it was barley straw)
from last year. Did not do much for the water, or so it would seem. Maybe I had it placed improperly. From what I am reading now, it should not be submerged all the way to the bottom and probably not place in the bio filter either. Maybe I will give it another try placed near the top of the water. Water has been bright to dark green all summer with about two weeks of partial clarity (could see maybe 2 feet down.) Veggie Filter should come online in about 5 days (that is when the liner is supposed to arrive.) Nice to hear from other Coloradians! :-)))) W. Dale (Spring Ranch - Colorado Springs) G & K Meyer wrote: I'm in Castle Rock Colorado and I think that the straw may be the answer to my trouble with algae. I had spent $$ for the straw I got at the garden center this spring, but I think that is why I did not have the algae problem this year like I had last year. So I now got a 80 pound bale (for 1/2 what I paid for the two hands full) and making my own little bags for my pound. The ones that I got from the garden center where all but gone and started to see the algae coming back. My pond get sun all day so the algae really can take off, but this year we have had maybe a few hands full that I pulled out. Last year I was taking ice-cream pails full out every week. "MattR" wrote in message ... I'm in Fort Collins. I tried barley pellets and the verdict is still out. The string algae decreased but now the iris and WH are getting pale. So I fertilized the iris and we'll see. Ofcourse, that hail storm a week ago did a job and the WH too. Doctor John wrote: I'm in the mountains outside of Fort Collins... I just don't get this barley straw thing. I've read of many positive results, and even a couple research papers which indicated it works. My experience with it has been disappointing, to say the least. It may be that under very specific circumstances - pH, nutrient level, temperature, level of string algae infestation, etc. - barely straw will have some effect. Anyway, I'll never use it again. Anyone want to buy my two bales of barely straw :-) ?? "news.pcisys.net" wrote in message ... So did I DJ. Did not do much to clear my water. Even a bunch of folks at PPWGS here in Springs, swear by it. I am building a veggie filter this weekend. Nothing to lose except murky water. And even if it does not clear things up, will be a nice landscaping to the back yard. Where are you in Colorado? W. Dale Doctor John wrote: I've tried barely straw and found it to be totally ineffective. I guess some people report that it works - maybe in a warm climate. I put bags of it in my pond here in Colorado, and the string algae is growing on the bags! Dr. John "elaine" wrote in message .com... We are still fighting the green pond thing although the water is clearing a bit, thanks in part to something from Laguna that is supposed to make the suspended alagae clump therefore making it easier for your filter to grab. Not a big fan of the chemical thing, but since it said nothing about killing the algae I figured I would let the SO have his way and try it. The LFS has bags of Barley straw pellets on sale that I would like to try but the SO says that the tannins in it will turn the pond brown? I had never heard this but this whole pond thing is new to me. Thanks for the help Elaine |
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What kind of filter do you have now? Size, media, etc.
Thanks news.pcisys.net wrote: I still have a 3/4 a bail of straw ("they" said it was barley straw) from last year. Did not do much for the water, or so it would seem. Maybe I had it placed improperly. From what I am reading now, it should not be submerged all the way to the bottom and probably not place in the bio filter either. Maybe I will give it another try placed near the top of the water. Water has been bright to dark green all summer with about two weeks of partial clarity (could see maybe 2 feet down.) Veggie Filter should come online in about 5 days (that is when the liner is supposed to arrive.) Nice to hear from other Coloradians! :-)))) W. Dale (Spring Ranch - Colorado Springs) |
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What kind of filter do you have now? Size, media, etc.
Thanks news.pcisys.net wrote: I still have a 3/4 a bail of straw ("they" said it was barley straw) from last year. Did not do much for the water, or so it would seem. Maybe I had it placed improperly. From what I am reading now, it should not be submerged all the way to the bottom and probably not place in the bio filter either. Maybe I will give it another try placed near the top of the water. Water has been bright to dark green all summer with about two weeks of partial clarity (could see maybe 2 feet down.) Veggie Filter should come online in about 5 days (that is when the liner is supposed to arrive.) Nice to hear from other Coloradians! :-)))) W. Dale (Spring Ranch - Colorado Springs) |
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On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 06:16:12 -0600, "news.pcisys.net"
wrote: I still have a 3/4 a bail of straw ("they" said it was barley straw) from last year. Did not do much for the water, or so it would seem. Maybe I had it placed improperly. From what I am reading now, it should not be submerged all the way to the bottom and probably not place in the bio filter either. Maybe I will give it another try placed near the top of the water. Water has been bright to dark green all summer with about two weeks of partial clarity (could see maybe 2 feet down.) Veggie Filter should come online in about 5 days (that is when the liner is supposed to arrive.) Nice to hear from other Coloradians! :-)))) W. Dale (Spring Ranch - Colorado Springs) Newbie here. I have just a little waterfall pond and won't be getting string algae. But can you tell me how the straw helps in your larger ponds and does anything happen to the pond over years Straw is not degradable is it? TIA Larry Southern Ontario |
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On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 06:16:12 -0600, "news.pcisys.net"
wrote: I still have a 3/4 a bail of straw ("they" said it was barley straw) from last year. Did not do much for the water, or so it would seem. Maybe I had it placed improperly. From what I am reading now, it should not be submerged all the way to the bottom and probably not place in the bio filter either. Maybe I will give it another try placed near the top of the water. Water has been bright to dark green all summer with about two weeks of partial clarity (could see maybe 2 feet down.) Veggie Filter should come online in about 5 days (that is when the liner is supposed to arrive.) Nice to hear from other Coloradians! :-)))) W. Dale (Spring Ranch - Colorado Springs) Newbie here. I have just a little waterfall pond and won't be getting string algae. But can you tell me how the straw helps in your larger ponds and does anything happen to the pond over years Straw is not degradable is it? TIA Larry Southern Ontario |
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On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 06:16:12 -0600, "news.pcisys.net"
wrote: I still have a 3/4 a bail of straw ("they" said it was barley straw) from last year. Did not do much for the water, or so it would seem. Maybe I had it placed improperly. From what I am reading now, it should not be submerged all the way to the bottom and probably not place in the bio filter either. Maybe I will give it another try placed near the top of the water. Water has been bright to dark green all summer with about two weeks of partial clarity (could see maybe 2 feet down.) Veggie Filter should come online in about 5 days (that is when the liner is supposed to arrive.) Nice to hear from other Coloradians! :-)))) W. Dale (Spring Ranch - Colorado Springs) Newbie here. I have just a little waterfall pond and won't be getting string algae. But can you tell me how the straw helps in your larger ponds and does anything happen to the pond over years Straw is not degradable is it? TIA Larry Southern Ontario |
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"news.pcisys.net" wrote:
I still have a 3/4 a bail of straw ("they" said it was barley straw) from last year. Did not do much for the water, or so it would seem. Maybe I had it placed improperly. From what I am reading now, it should not be submerged all the way to the bottom and probably not place in the bio filter either. Maybe I will give it another try placed near the top of the water. It needs to be at the surface. Place straw in return portion of the bio-filter and/or anywhere in the pond where good water flow and current occur. Sunlight and water flow are curcial elements in the decomposition process. Make sure you use both elements in choosing the location for your bag(s) to be placed. When properly applied, naturally occurring microorganisms decompose the lignins in the barley, releasing humic substances (dissolved organic carbon) in the water. In the presence of sunlight and oxygen, these compounds are converted into low levels of hydrogen peroxide. The hydrogen peroxide is the component that modifies the pond chemistry to improve pond clarity. Hydrogen peroxide itself is relatively unstable and does not persist in water, but the slow release effect from the barley straw provides a constant source of hydrogen peroxide. The effects from barley straw will begin as early as one to two weeks after installation, and will remain effective for between four and six months. -- Pardon my spam deterrent; send email to http://home.earthlink.net/~rhodyman |
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"news.pcisys.net" wrote:
I still have a 3/4 a bail of straw ("they" said it was barley straw) from last year. Did not do much for the water, or so it would seem. Maybe I had it placed improperly. From what I am reading now, it should not be submerged all the way to the bottom and probably not place in the bio filter either. Maybe I will give it another try placed near the top of the water. It needs to be at the surface. Place straw in return portion of the bio-filter and/or anywhere in the pond where good water flow and current occur. Sunlight and water flow are curcial elements in the decomposition process. Make sure you use both elements in choosing the location for your bag(s) to be placed. When properly applied, naturally occurring microorganisms decompose the lignins in the barley, releasing humic substances (dissolved organic carbon) in the water. In the presence of sunlight and oxygen, these compounds are converted into low levels of hydrogen peroxide. The hydrogen peroxide is the component that modifies the pond chemistry to improve pond clarity. Hydrogen peroxide itself is relatively unstable and does not persist in water, but the slow release effect from the barley straw provides a constant source of hydrogen peroxide. The effects from barley straw will begin as early as one to two weeks after installation, and will remain effective for between four and six months. -- Pardon my spam deterrent; send email to http://home.earthlink.net/~rhodyman |
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Newbie here. I have just a little waterfall pond and won't be getting string algae. But can you tell me how the straw helps in your larger ponds and does anything happen to the pond over years Straw is not degradable is it? Straw is degradeable. As it rots, it realeases a small, steady amount of hydrogen peroxide, which kills algae. Nothing happens to the pond, other than being fairly algae free. |
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