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26-10-2003, 10:42 PM
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Getting ready for winter in NC
I spent a couple of hours this afternoon
pulling the brown Hyacinths out of the pond. It's interesting that the water lettuce is still nice and green. I moved most of the remaining lettuce into the veggie filter for now, I know it'll die as soon as we have a hard freeze. Next I've got to trim all the tall flowering plants back below water level. I wonder how long the Black Taro will live... I wonder if there are any other members of this group in the Charlotte NC area? Happy ponding... Ron C.R."Ron"Lawrence Antique Radio Collector & Historian POBox 3015 Matthews, NC 28106-3015 704-289-1166 (home) Personal Web Page, http://www.ronlawrence.homestead.com Radio Collection Web Page, http://www.radioheaven.homestead.com CC-AWA Web Page, http://www.cc-awa.org |
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27-10-2003, 02:42 AM
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I wonder if there are any other members of this group in the Charlotte NC area? Well I'm in Waynesville now (from hendersonville) and I suspect it'll get a little colder faster here... -- Gareee© Homepage: http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine.../mainframe.htm Custom Figures, Wallpapers and more! |
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27-10-2003, 10:02 PM
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"Ron Lawrence" wrote in message . .. I spent a couple of hours this afternoon pulling the brown Hyacinths out of the pond. It's interesting that the water lettuce is still nice and green. I moved most of the remaining lettuce into the veggie filter for now, I know it'll die as soon as we have a hard freeze. Next I've got to trim all the tall flowering plants back below water level. I wonder how long the Black Taro will live... snip I am in a similar boat. I have been slowly removing lettuce and frogbit from the pond. The water is nice and clear, so I am hesitating removing the WH just yet. I just shut down my pump this week, so I am thinking I will move some WH to the main pond, and keep them there until they are dead. I plan to do my final autumn'ization this weekend. BV. |
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28-10-2003, 04:02 PM
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Hey BV, it is my (also newbie) understanding that if you leave frogbit in
the pond it will sink to the bottom, overwinter and re emerge in spring....I may be wrong but I am trying it this year unless anyone with more experience tells us otherwise. "BenignVanilla" wrote in message ... "Ron Lawrence" wrote in message . .. I spent a couple of hours this afternoon pulling the brown Hyacinths out of the pond. It's interesting that the water lettuce is still nice and green. I moved most of the remaining lettuce into the veggie filter for now, I know it'll die as soon as we have a hard freeze. Next I've got to trim all the tall flowering plants back below water level. I wonder how long the Black Taro will live... snip I am in a similar boat. I have been slowly removing lettuce and frogbit from the pond. The water is nice and clear, so I am hesitating removing the WH just yet. I just shut down my pump this week, so I am thinking I will move some WH to the main pond, and keep them there until they are dead. I plan to do my final autumn'ization this weekend. BV. |
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29-10-2003, 01:02 AM
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Ron,
I'm in Raleigh, NC -- and that's probably as "comparable" as we'll be, unless (until?) I ever expand my pond experience beyond the teeny water garden with a few goldfish. (Water Hyacinths never lasted long enough to turn brown in the fall, thanks to my dogs -- the last ones made it 36 hours or so.) Anne Lurie Raleigh, NC "Ron Lawrence" wrote in message . .. I spent a couple of hours this afternoon pulling the brown Hyacinths out of the pond. It's interesting that the water lettuce is still nice and green. I moved most of the remaining lettuce into the veggie filter for now, I know it'll die as soon as we have a hard freeze. Next I've got to trim all the tall flowering plants back below water level. I wonder how long the Black Taro will live... I wonder if there are any other members of this group in the Charlotte NC area? Happy ponding... Ron C.R."Ron"Lawrence Antique Radio Collector & Historian POBox 3015 Matthews, NC 28106-3015 704-289-1166 (home) Personal Web Page, http://www.ronlawrence.homestead.com Radio Collection Web Page, http://www.radioheaven.homestead.com CC-AWA Web Page, http://www.cc-awa.org |
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29-10-2003, 08:22 PM
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Anne be careful with those water hyacinths and the dogs! Mine got pretty ill
this summer after stealing one from the pond and eating a portion of it!! $200 in vet bills later we learned a valuable lesson... they are poisonous and make for one sick dog.  (Janet Niagara Falls, ON "Anne Lurie" wrote in message . com... Ron, I'm in Raleigh, NC -- and that's probably as "comparable" as we'll be, unless (until?) I ever expand my pond experience beyond the teeny water garden with a few goldfish. (Water Hyacinths never lasted long enough to turn brown in the fall, thanks to my dogs -- the last ones made it 36 hours or so.) Anne Lurie Raleigh, NC "Ron Lawrence" wrote in message . .. I spent a couple of hours this afternoon pulling the brown Hyacinths out of the pond. It's interesting that the water lettuce is still nice and green. I moved most of the remaining lettuce into the veggie filter for now, I know it'll die as soon as we have a hard freeze. Next I've got to trim all the tall flowering plants back below water level. I wonder how long the Black Taro will live... I wonder if there are any other members of this group in the Charlotte NC area? Happy ponding... Ron C.R."Ron"Lawrence Antique Radio Collector & Historian POBox 3015 Matthews, NC 28106-3015 704-289-1166 (home) Personal Web Page, http://www.ronlawrence.homestead.com Radio Collection Web Page, http://www.radioheaven.homestead.com CC-AWA Web Page, http://www.cc-awa.org --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.532 / Virus Database: 326 - Release Date: 10/27/03 |
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29-10-2003, 08:42 PM
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eeeeeeek......I didn't realise they were harmful to pets....our Golden who
has a heart of gold, but isn't the brightest bulb likes to chew vegetation.....will make sure he doesn't go near those....thanks for the heads up! Lisa "Janet & Hugh" wrote in message ... Anne be careful with those water hyacinths and the dogs! Mine got pretty ill this summer after stealing one from the pond and eating a portion of it!! $200 in vet bills later we learned a valuable lesson... they are poisonous and make for one sick dog. (Janet Niagara Falls, ON "Anne Lurie" wrote in message . com... Ron, I'm in Raleigh, NC -- and that's probably as "comparable" as we'll be, unless (until?) I ever expand my pond experience beyond the teeny water garden with a few goldfish. (Water Hyacinths never lasted long enough to turn brown in the fall, thanks to my dogs -- the last ones made it 36 hours or so.) Anne Lurie Raleigh, NC "Ron Lawrence" wrote in message . .. I spent a couple of hours this afternoon pulling the brown Hyacinths out of the pond. It's interesting that the water lettuce is still nice and green. I moved most of the remaining lettuce into the veggie filter for now, I know it'll die as soon as we have a hard freeze. Next I've got to trim all the tall flowering plants back below water level. I wonder how long the Black Taro will live... I wonder if there are any other members of this group in the Charlotte NC area? Happy ponding... Ron C.R."Ron"Lawrence Antique Radio Collector & Historian POBox 3015 Matthews, NC 28106-3015 704-289-1166 (home) Personal Web Page, http://www.ronlawrence.homestead.com Radio Collection Web Page, http://www.radioheaven.homestead.com CC-AWA Web Page, http://www.cc-awa.org --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.532 / Virus Database: 326 - Release Date: 10/27/03 |
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29-10-2003, 10:12 PM
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I have seen a number of the plants that we have in our water gardens listed
as toxic, but the water hyacinth is not one of them, to my knowledge. The terrestrial hyacinth Hyacinth (Hyacinth orientalis) bulb is toxic and should be kept away from dogs, horses and livestock. -- RichToyBox http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html "Janet & Hugh" wrote in message ... Anne be careful with those water hyacinths and the dogs! Mine got pretty ill this summer after stealing one from the pond and eating a portion of it!! $200 in vet bills later we learned a valuable lesson... they are poisonous and make for one sick dog. (Janet Niagara Falls, ON "Anne Lurie" wrote in message . com... Ron, I'm in Raleigh, NC -- and that's probably as "comparable" as we'll be, unless (until?) I ever expand my pond experience beyond the teeny water garden with a few goldfish. (Water Hyacinths never lasted long enough to turn brown in the fall, thanks to my dogs -- the last ones made it 36 hours or so.) Anne Lurie Raleigh, NC "Ron Lawrence" wrote in message . .. I spent a couple of hours this afternoon pulling the brown Hyacinths out of the pond. It's interesting that the water lettuce is still nice and green. I moved most of the remaining lettuce into the veggie filter for now, I know it'll die as soon as we have a hard freeze. Next I've got to trim all the tall flowering plants back below water level. I wonder how long the Black Taro will live... I wonder if there are any other members of this group in the Charlotte NC area? Happy ponding... Ron C.R."Ron"Lawrence Antique Radio Collector & Historian POBox 3015 Matthews, NC 28106-3015 704-289-1166 (home) Personal Web Page, http://www.ronlawrence.homestead.com Radio Collection Web Page, http://www.radioheaven.homestead.com CC-AWA Web Page, http://www.cc-awa.org --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.532 / Virus Database: 326 - Release Date: 10/27/03 |
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30-10-2003, 02:02 AM
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Janet,
A quick google for "water hyacinth + toxicity" was not all that enlightening for me personally, as most of the toxicity mentioned referred (I think) to toxins absorbed by water hyacinth. I'm curious, though, even ordinary things (like chocolate!) can be toxic to dogs if the quantity is great enough. Is your dog a big "eat-anything" retriever (like my 85# Chessie/Lab) or a small muncher? I'll try to remember to ask my D-I-L, the vet, about toxic plants. In the meantime, I'll stick with parrotfeather instead of water hyacinth -- it's potted, so too heavy to take out of the pond, plus the frog just loves it, and I don't need to feel guilty about pond level being too low for frog to get out, since the parrotfeather "launching pad" is always available. Anne Lurie Raleigh, NC "Janet & Hugh" wrote in message ... Anne be careful with those water hyacinths and the dogs! Mine got pretty ill this summer after stealing one from the pond and eating a portion of it!! $200 in vet bills later we learned a valuable lesson... they are poisonous and make for one sick dog. (Janet Niagara Falls, ON "Anne Lurie" wrote in message . com... Ron, I'm in Raleigh, NC -- and that's probably as "comparable" as we'll be, unless (until?) I ever expand my pond experience beyond the teeny water garden with a few goldfish. (Water Hyacinths never lasted long enough to turn brown in the fall, thanks to my dogs -- the last ones made it 36 hours or so.) Anne Lurie Raleigh, NC "Ron Lawrence" wrote in message . .. I spent a couple of hours this afternoon pulling the brown Hyacinths out of the pond. It's interesting that the water lettuce is still nice and green. I moved most of the remaining lettuce into the veggie filter for now, I know it'll die as soon as we have a hard freeze. Next I've got to trim all the tall flowering plants back below water level. I wonder how long the Black Taro will live... I wonder if there are any other members of this group in the Charlotte NC area? Happy ponding... Ron C.R."Ron"Lawrence Antique Radio Collector & Historian POBox 3015 Matthews, NC 28106-3015 704-289-1166 (home) Personal Web Page, http://www.ronlawrence.homestead.com Radio Collection Web Page, http://www.radioheaven.homestead.com CC-AWA Web Page, http://www.cc-awa.org --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.532 / Virus Database: 326 - Release Date: 10/27/03 |
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30-10-2003, 03:02 AM
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Not to familiar with your weather, but do you always cut back your flowering plants below the water? Alot of them will die if cut back under water. Anything with a hollow cell frame will drowned. it is usually best to just clean off the dead stuff and leave them where they are, of course lilies and lotus are different. Ron Lawrence wrote in message . .. I spent a couple of hours this afternoon pulling the brown Hyacinths out of the pond. It's interesting that the water lettuce is still nice and green. I moved most of the remaining lettuce into the veggie filter for now, I know it'll die as soon as we have a hard freeze. Next I've got to trim all the tall flowering plants back below water level. I wonder how long the Black Taro will live... I wonder if there are any other members of this group in the Charlotte NC area? Happy ponding... Ron C.R."Ron"Lawrence Antique Radio Collector & Historian POBox 3015 Matthews, NC 28106-3015 704-289-1166 (home) Personal Web Page, http://www.ronlawrence.homestead.com Radio Collection Web Page, http://www.radioheaven.homestead.com CC-AWA Web Page, http://www.cc-awa.org |
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30-10-2003, 03:02 AM
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yes they are poisonious! never let any animals eat any plants, it is surprising wht is deadly. Nice to see a Canadian here. London Ont Janet & Hugh wrote in message ... Anne be careful with those water hyacinths and the dogs! Mine got pretty ill this summer after stealing one from the pond and eating a portion of it!! $200 in vet bills later we learned a valuable lesson... they are poisonous and make for one sick dog. (Janet Niagara Falls, ON "Anne Lurie" wrote in message . com... Ron, I'm in Raleigh, NC -- and that's probably as "comparable" as we'll be, unless (until?) I ever expand my pond experience beyond the teeny water garden with a few goldfish. (Water Hyacinths never lasted long enough to turn brown in the fall, thanks to my dogs -- the last ones made it 36 hours or so.) Anne Lurie Raleigh, NC "Ron Lawrence" wrote in message . .. I spent a couple of hours this afternoon pulling the brown Hyacinths out of the pond. It's interesting that the water lettuce is still nice and green. I moved most of the remaining lettuce into the veggie filter for now, I know it'll die as soon as we have a hard freeze. Next I've got to trim all the tall flowering plants back below water level. I wonder how long the Black Taro will live... I wonder if there are any other members of this group in the Charlotte NC area? Happy ponding... Ron C.R."Ron"Lawrence Antique Radio Collector & Historian POBox 3015 Matthews, NC 28106-3015 704-289-1166 (home) Personal Web Page, http://www.ronlawrence.homestead.com Radio Collection Web Page, http://www.radioheaven.homestead.com CC-AWA Web Page, http://www.cc-awa.org --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.532 / Virus Database: 326 - Release Date: 10/27/03 |
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30-10-2003, 03:32 AM
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My dog is a "small muncher" as you put it! LOL! He ate just 1 of the round
portions of the water hyacinth, no leaves. We thought it was cute to see his chase them around the pond and occaisionally catch one. His belly swelled to about twice his normal size and became rock hard. He then ran a fever and barfed for hrs till he had nothing but heeves left all the while having tremors. He wouldn't even drink. Then the next day the other end started. We definitely learned the hard way as we had no idea how poisous they were. Try searching "water hyacinth+poisonous" and hundreds of hits come up. Here is just one.. http://plantsdatabase.com/go/661/ Janet Niagara Falls, ON "Anne Lurie" wrote in message . com... Janet, A quick google for "water hyacinth + toxicity" was not all that enlightening for me personally, as most of the toxicity mentioned referred (I think) to toxins absorbed by water hyacinth. I'm curious, though, even ordinary things (like chocolate!) can be toxic to dogs if the quantity is great enough. Is your dog a big "eat-anything" retriever (like my 85# Chessie/Lab) or a small muncher? I'll try to remember to ask my D-I-L, the vet, about toxic plants. In the meantime, I'll stick with parrotfeather instead of water yacinth -- it's potted, so too heavy to take out of the pond, plus the frog just loves it, and I don't need to feel guilty about pond level being too low for frog to get out, since the parrotfeather "launching pad" is always available. Anne Lurie Raleigh, NC "Janet & Hugh" wrote in message ... Anne be careful with those water hyacinths and the dogs! Mine got pretty ill this summer after stealing one from the pond and eating a portion of it!! $200 in vet bills later we learned a valuable lesson... they are poisonous and make for one sick dog. (Janet Niagara Falls, ON "Anne Lurie" wrote in message . com... Ron, I'm in Raleigh, NC -- and that's probably as "comparable" as we'll be, unless (until?) I ever expand my pond experience beyond the teeny water garden with a few goldfish. (Water Hyacinths never lasted long enough to turn brown in the fall, thanks to my dogs -- the last ones made it 36 hours or so.) Anne Lurie Raleigh, NC "Ron Lawrence" wrote in message . .. I spent a couple of hours this afternoon pulling the brown Hyacinths out of the pond. It's interesting that the water lettuce is still nice and green. I moved most of the remaining lettuce into the veggie filter for now, I know it'll die as soon as we have a hard freeze. Next I've got to trim all the tall flowering plants back below water level. I wonder how long the Black Taro will live... I wonder if there are any other members of this group in the Charlotte NC area? Happy ponding... Ron C.R."Ron"Lawrence Antique Radio Collector & Historian POBox 3015 Matthews, NC 28106-3015 704-289-1166 (home) Personal Web Page, http://www.ronlawrence.homestead.com Radio Collection Web Page, http://www.radioheaven.homestead.com CC-AWA Web Page, http://www.cc-awa.org --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.532 / Virus Database: 326 - Release Date: 10/27/03 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.532 / Virus Database: 326 - Release Date: 10/27/03 |
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30-10-2003, 04:02 AM
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ponder wrote:
yes they are poisonious! never let any animals eat any plants, it is surprising wht is deadly. I do always enjoy giving raw meat to my herbivore friends... In addition, I dont think there will be anymore vegetables for me  ... mypoor vegetarian friends are going to be stuck with tofu and water... no--- wait tofu comes from a soybean and I think that is a plant  ....lol...(FYI... the above was a joke... I will stop now....) Nice to see a Canadian here. Ok, One more...What do you eat in Canada???? A good friend of mine "from Canada" said beer is the favorite food from where he was from... He was on a local radio station 2 weeks ago and said he was born with a beer in one hand and a hockey stick in the other. His parents should be so proud. Ok, back on topic... My old dog(12+ year old Cocker) have been eating water hyacinth for a long time now. I am convinced that it is given her youth back... she is acting like a pup... minus the peeing on your feet... She eats more WH than dog food.... and not to go there but this dog has not had a day of irregularity in her life. Ahh I went there... poooh Moving on, my pup ate some copper sulfate from my sons "Grow your Own Geode" kit a couple weeks ago... now that will kill... she ate just a tiny bit and was vomiting withing 2 - 3 minutes... lethargic by 15.... talk about a vet bill.... poor girl weighed 4 lbs and they gave her a sub-dermal IV... injected 2 lbs of water under her skin.... almost changed her name to quasimoto. They put so much IV in that she sprung a leak where they injected her. Shot a fluid stream out about 6inches for about a minute. Funny though... after about 24 hours they water dispersed under the skin and she was my sumo baby.... talk about a jiggle when you walk.... Ok... back to the topic... again... I know that "Garden" Hyacinth... the spring time in ground type are poisonious but I cannot find anything that states water hyacinth(Eichhorinia crassipies) are... so far my dog has had no problem with them... maybe she will after a few more years if age doesn't get her first... just my 2 cents (3.5 cents canadian) p.s. ponder... sorry for the humor above... it has been a long day...and I really do like Canada... really enjoy the botanical gardens in montreal... if you would like you can post back about how I live in nebraska go right ahead..... |
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30-10-2003, 04:42 AM
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Ok, so the plant database says there are posionous... but not to all
animals... what is poisonous to humans isn't to others... my fish would all be dead if they were poisonous to all animals... Of course... if you saw my other postings you would know my fish ARE dead, since Chlorimines are poisonous to fish and not to humans.... by the way... WH have many uses with India being the leader in the following uses. 1.) To make Paper -- acutal varieties of high quality paper 2.) To make briquettes for stoves for cooking. 3.) To make food for cattle out of the leaves (the parts my dog eats)... btw... cattle are sacred in India so I don't think they are trying to harm them... Here is a site with tons of info on WH.... http://www.ecosyn.us/ecocity/Links/M...yacinth01.html |
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30-10-2003, 08:32 AM
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Chad wrote:
.... Moving on, my pup ate some copper sulfate from my sons "Grow your Own Geode" kit a couple weeks ago... now that will kill... she ate just a tiny bit and was vomiting withing 2 - 3 minutes... lethargic by 15.... talk about a vet bill.... poor girl weighed 4 lbs and they gave her a sub-dermal IV... injected 2 lbs of water under her skin.... almost changed her name to quasimoto. They put so much IV in that she sprung a leak where they injected her. Shot a fluid stream out about 6inches for about a minute. Funny though... after about 24 hours they water dispersed under the skin and she was my sumo baby.... talk about a jiggle when you walk.... Poor baby! We had to give one of our dogs the sub-cutaneous fluid last year when she had a horrible infection and became dehydrated. It was great though -- just had to do it once and the fluid stayed there for 2-3 days, gradually being used by her body. Pretty cool stuff. And I just went through three weeks of sub-c fluids for our poor 11 yo cat; unfortunately for her it was too little, too late. Developed Addison's disorder (adrenal gland failure causing body to lose too much potassium) but slid into a serious infection before we even noticed and even the antibiotics, sub-c, hand-feeding, and meds couldn't pull her through. But I'm an expert with that saline solution now, and won't be afraid to use it for one of the other "zoo" members if necessary. Except maybe the fish!!! (getting back on topic here, giggle) -- Zk 3500gal pond, 13 pond piggies Oregon, USDA Zone 7 |
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