Do any Californians know where to find water hyacinth in San Jose? I'd like
to buy them locally if I can. I figured payless nursery, over silvercreek &
capitol, would have them, but they don't have any.

The water chestnuts I bought at Marina Foods, in Cupertino, on Steven's
Creek are growing quiet nicely.

-
Sameer

change the two in my email address to a 2, when replying

Haven't lived in San Jose in 3 years, but I used to get them at Orchard
Supply. (suppose there is always the Delta?)

Wendy in N. California

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ng." - Boris Yeltsin


"Snooze" wrote in message
rthlink.net...
Do any Californians know where to find water hyacinth in San Jose? I'd
like
to buy them locally if I can. I figured payless nursery, over silvercreek
&
capitol, would have them, but they don't have any.

The water chestnuts I bought at Marina Foods, in Cupertino, on Steven's
Creek are growing quiet nicely.

-
Sameer

change the two in my email address to a 2, when replying

I don't know, but i doubt they are legal in California....they are outlawed in
most temperate states....Jerri

http://www.fringeweb.com/Ponds/JerrisPond

Jerrispond wrote:

I don't know, but i doubt they are legal in California....they are outlawed in
most temperate states....Jerri

http://www.fringeweb.com/Ponds/JerrisPond


FWIW
they are outlawed in all states.


federal regs.
http://library.law.unc.edu/ocean-coastal/nisa.html





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On Wed, 09 Apr 2003 22:20:09 -0400, KenCo wrote:

Jerrispond wrote:

I don't know, but i doubt they are legal in California....they are outlawed in
most temperate states....Jerri

http://www.fringeweb.com/Ponds/JerrisPond


FWIW
they are outlawed in all states.


federal regs.
http://library.law.unc.edu/ocean-coastal/nisa.html


I believe federal regs just prohibit the inter-state shipment of them.
they are sold at nurseries here in Southern California, the nurseries
are routinely inspected for forbidden plants.


_

- Charles
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If they are outlawed in all states, why are they available to buy? I can buy
them at Oklahoma City at a pet supply dealer.

You can buy WH at home Depot, and nearly at all pet store. Ping me in a few
weeks I may be able to ship you some from Southern Cali.

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"KenCo" wrote in message
...
Jerrispond wrote:

I don't know, but i doubt they are legal in California....they are
outlawed in
most temperate states....Jerri


http://www.fringeweb.com/Ponds/JerrisPond


FWIW
they are outlawed in all states.


federal regs.
http://library.law.unc.edu/ocean-coastal/nisa.html





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Well I found them!

The Summerwinds Nursery on Almaden Expressway, between highway 85 and
Branham.

They are selling them for $1.99 each, I have no idea if that's a fair price
or not though, but I bought 3, since I figure it's better then having to
drive about town looking for others that have them.

Sameer

"Snooze" wrote in message
rthlink.net...
Do any Californians know where to find water hyacinth in San Jose? I'd
like
to buy them locally if I can. I figured payless nursery, over silvercreek
&
capitol, would have them, but they don't have any.

The water chestnuts I bought at Marina Foods, in Cupertino, on Steven's
Creek are growing quiet nicely.

On 10 Apr 2003 03:38:21 GMT, (LRobi31070) wrote:

If they are outlawed in all states, why are they available to buy? I can buy
them at Oklahoma City at a pet supply dealer.

The State of Texas doesn't just frown on the possesion of harmful or
potentially harmful exotic plants. It is illegal to posses these
plants in Texas. Possession of any prohibited plant species is a Class
B Parks and Wildlife Code Misdemeanor punishable by
a fine of not less than $200 nor more than $2000,
a jail term not to exceed 180 days, or
both a fine AND imprisonment.
Each individual plant of a prohibited species constitutes a separate
violation. The law applies to everyone: aquatic plant producers and
distributors, garden centers, pond supply stores, pet stores, and
individual pondkeepers. So if Joe Ponder is caught with 10 water
hyacinth in his backyard pond, that would be 10 separate violations,
with potential fines totalling $20,000.

Guess what state I am in??!!

Texas?

"jammer" wrote in message
...
Guess what state I am in??!!

Panic? Confusion?

On Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:29:38 GMT, "Snooze"
wrote:

"jammer" wrote in message
.. .
Guess what state I am in??!!

Panic? Confusion?

The first laugh of the day is the best. Thanks.

Ken,

Did you actually read this link. It is actually a
Task Force recommendation to the Statutory
Materials To Accompany Coastal and Ocean Law
Regulation and has not a law.

In addition, this paper deals primarily with bilge
water and ballast water discharges by ships in the
Great Lakes and Great Lake Regions, manmade
channels connecting these bodies, and navigable
rivers associated with commerce through the St
Lawrence Seaway and the subsequent lakes and
rivers in the region. The Task Force has also
territorial seas to cover all shipping that comes
from all directions to the states from outside our
borders.

The paper mentions water hyacinths once but in
reference the idea that plant can cause problems
along with four other plants including water
chestnuts mentioning that they have caused
problems to navigation in other parts of the
world. No other reference as an aquatic nuisance
is made.

The main trust of the paper is to convince Canada
to join the U.S. in the control of the
bilge/ballast water discharges in the Great Lakes.
And to encourage reciprocal cooperation
environmental impact analysis of major Federal
actions which have significant transboundary
effects on the quality of human environment in the
U.S., Canada, and Mexico (the reason for the
territorial sea references).

Oh, by the way the main reason for this Task Force
was the havoc that has occurred by zebra mussels
what were traced back the ballast water discharges
from a foreign vessel.

So I know that Water Hyacinths are outlawed in
Florida and Texas, but here in Oklahoma they are
not outlawed. Even here in Oklahoma during mild
winters when I was keeping Water hyacinths they
never made it through the winter to grow the
following year.

Tom L.L.
-----------------------------------------
"KenCo" wrote in message
...
Jerrispond wrote:

I don't know, but i doubt they are legal in
California....they are outlawed in
most temperate states....Jerri


http://www.fringeweb.com/Ponds/JerrisPond


FWIW
they are outlawed in all states.


federal regs.

http://library.law.unc.edu/ocean-coastal/nisa.html


..

LRobi31070 wrote:

If they are outlawed in all states, why are they available to buy?



they reproduce quick for growers and its a big money maker.
but, when they get caught they will find out how costly they
really are.

next, when state and/or fed law enforcement hit them, they check
the records for 3+ yrs. back and ea. interstate and/or intrastate
shipment can be fined $5000 as its prohibited per federal regs.
to transport by any means.


I can buy them at Oklahoma City at a pet supply dealer.


tons of places sell them, doesnt mean there legal.

every supplier I have has them listed or you just have
to ask for them.





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"Tom L. La Bron" wrote:

Ken,

Did you actually read this link. It is actually a
Task Force recommendation to the Statutory
Materials To Accompany Coastal and Ocean Law
Regulation and has not a law.


.................................................. ..........


Federal Noxious Weed Act

The Federal Noxious Weed Act of 1974 (P.L. 93-629, 7 U.S.C. 2801-2814)
authorizes port-of-entry and
follow-up activities (quarantine, treatment, disposal, control or
eradication programs, etc.) by APHIS to
restrict the introduction and spread of non-native noxious weeds. Under
the Act, no person shall import or
enter any noxious weed identified in regulation, into or through the
United States, or move any noxious weed
interstate, unless done in accordance with regulations issued by the
Secretary. The Act also authorizes
permanent restrictions, after a hearing on the issue, and emergency
regulations for temporary quarantines,
among other things



.................................................. ...........

Alien Species Prevention and Enforcement Act of 1992

This law (ASPEA; P.L. 102-393, 39 U.S.C. 3015; 106 Stat. 1774) makes it
illegal to ship certain categories
of plants and animals through the mail. The prohibited species are

· those injurious animals whose movement is prohibited under 18
U.S.C. 42;32

· those plant pests whose movement is prohibited under the Federal
Plant Pest Act (7 U.S.C.
l50bb or l50cc);

· those plants, articles, or plant matter whose importation or
interstate shipment is prohibited
under the Plant Quarantine Act (7 U.S.C. 151 et seq.); and

· plants and animals whose shipment is prohibited under the Lacey
Act (16 U.S.C. 3372).

.................................................. ................











In addition, this paper deals primarily with bilge
water and ballast water discharges by ships in the
Great Lakes and Great Lake Regions, manmade
channels connecting these bodies, and navigable
rivers associated with commerce through the St
Lawrence Seaway and the subsequent lakes and
rivers in the region. The Task Force has also
territorial seas to cover all shipping that comes
from all directions to the states from outside our
borders.

The paper mentions water hyacinths once but in
reference the idea that plant can cause problems
along with four other plants including water
chestnuts mentioning that they have caused
problems to navigation in other parts of the
world. No other reference as an aquatic nuisance
is made.

The main trust of the paper is to convince Canada
to join the U.S. in the control of the
bilge/ballast water discharges in the Great Lakes.
And to encourage reciprocal cooperation
environmental impact analysis of major Federal
actions which have significant transboundary
effects on the quality of human environment in the
U.S., Canada, and Mexico (the reason for the
territorial sea references).

Oh, by the way the main reason for this Task Force
was the havoc that has occurred by zebra mussels
what were traced back the ballast water discharges
from a foreign vessel.

So I know that Water Hyacinths are outlawed in
Florida and Texas, but here in Oklahoma they are
not outlawed. Even here in Oklahoma during mild
winters when I was keeping Water hyacinths they
never made it through the winter to grow the
following year.

Tom L.L.
-----------------------------------------


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