I am just finished making my new pond and an now considering starting to
move my plants into it. Currently they are potted in baskets with
aquatic compost. But this tends to leach out and gather on the bottom of
the pond. I was wondering if I can plant my plants just into pea single
and they will still do ok. I have several water lilies and some water
hawthorn.

thanks

Paul

use plastic water pots with no holes, use loam, top with gravel.
pea gravel doesnt usually work, of course bare root will work in a veggie filter tho.

water lilies dont do well in pea gravel, dont do all that well in veggie filters
either. Ingrid

Paul wrote:
I am just finished making my new pond and an now considering starting to
move my plants into it. Currently they are potted in baskets with
aquatic compost. But this tends to leach out and gather on the bottom of
the pond. I was wondering if I can plant my plants just into pea single
and they will still do ok. I have several water lilies and some water
hawthorn.

thanks

Paul



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That sounds good, Do they still try and jump pot?

Paul


wrote:
use plastic water pots with no holes, use loam, top with gravel.
pea gravel doesnt usually work, of course bare root will work in a veggie filter tho.

water lilies dont do well in pea gravel, dont do all that well in veggie filters
either. Ingrid

Paul wrote:
I am just finished making my new pond and an now considering starting to
move my plants into it. Currently they are potted in baskets with
aquatic compost. But this tends to leach out and gather on the bottom of
the pond. I was wondering if I can plant my plants just into pea single
and they will still do ok. I have several water lilies and some water
hawthorn.

thanks

Paul



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Paul wrote:

That sounds good, Do they still try and jump pot?

As long as they're getting good sunlight and nutrients - which they tend to
get in garden ponds - they're going to jump pots. That's why I ended up
always planting bare root - it makes dividing really simple :-) I just
wire the tuber to a rock. Others have had too much trouble with fish
nibbling the plants for that, though.
--
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That sounds good, Do they still try and jump pot?
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Yes! Most pond plants will spread rapidly and "jump their pots" in time.
Others drop so many seeds you'll see them coming up in other pots in your
pond.
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Geez Ingrid is everything you post wrong?

In "Encyclopedia of the water lily" by Charles O Masters
it's suggested you use manure, not loam as loam has very
close to zero nutriative value. You'll still need to augment
with fertilizer spikes.

Loam. Yeee-ow. (shakes head)

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Richard Sexton wrote:

Geez Ingrid is everything you post wrong?

In "Encyclopedia of the water lily" by Charles O Masters
it's suggested you use manure, not loam as loam has very
close to zero nutriative value. You'll still need to augment
with fertilizer spikes.

Loam. Yeee-ow. (shakes head)

Just because it was in a book doesn't make it true, any more than if it's on
a .edu site :-)

I completely stopped potting lilies. The only reason for soil of any kind
is if you have fish that keep nibbling on their roots. Then minimally
nutrient rich is good. Clay works because it actually binds some of the
nutrients, so it doesn't release them into the water as manure does. The
only problem with pea gravel is not that it doesn't provide nutrients -
it's just an almighty pain to try dividing a lily whose roots have grown
around a couple of kilos of gravel! The only thing wrong with Ingrid's
suggestion, ime, is that topping the soil with gravel still ends up with
the roots all around the gravel. It's only there to keep the koi out of
the plant, and I'd use much larger stones (after all, koi can move pea
gravel, anyway).

Manure is a really, really, stupid thing to add to a pond with fish. Fish
provide plenty of their own manure. The last thing you ever want to do in
a fish pond, if you can help it, is to add fertilizer. You want the plants
to take up as much of the nutrients as possible, so that the algae doesn't
get it and so that the fish don't have ammonia/nitrite problems.

I fasten a 6" lily tuber to a rock in Spring and drop them to 4-5'. By
August, they get so large that the tuber is around 18" and the foliage is
so bouyant the rock's a foot off the pond bottom.
--
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Derek Broughton wrote:
wrote:

use plastic water pots with no holes, use loam, top with gravel.
pea gravel doesnt usually work, of course bare root will work in a veggie
filter tho.

water lilies dont do well in pea gravel, dont do all that well in veggie
filters
either. Ingrid

otoh, I've had success with lilies in pea gravel (and bare root). I'd agree
on the veggie filter though - there's usually too much flow for them to be
happy.

How do you fertilize them bare root? That sounds like a good way to go
for my little barrels.

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Derek Broughton wrote:
wrote:

use plastic water pots with no holes, use loam, top with gravel.
pea gravel doesnt usually work, of course bare root will work in a veggie
filter tho.

water lilies dont do well in pea gravel, dont do all that well in veggie
filters
either. Ingrid

otoh, I've had success with lilies in pea gravel (and bare root). I'd agree
on the veggie filter though - there's usually too much flow for them to be
happy.

Bare root Lilies ??? Interesting concept.

I may try this but I did have trouble with fish nibbling at the roots of
my hyacinth which allowed them to go yellow and eventually die.

How do I stop this? I feed the fish everyday during the summer months .

"Richard Sexton" wrote in message
...
Geez Ingrid is everything you post wrong?

In "Encyclopedia of the water lily" by Charles O Masters
it's suggested you use manure, not loam as loam has very
close to zero nutriative value. You'll still need to augment
with fertilizer spikes.

Loam. Yeee-ow. (shakes head)
=====================
I use rich topsoil that collects from my neighbor's pasture in the runoff
area on my property. It settles there free for the tanking. I add a broken
Jobe's Rose spike and they flower from mid spring to first good frost. :-)
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Altum wrote:

Derek Broughton wrote:
wrote:

use plastic water pots with no holes, use loam, top with gravel.
pea gravel doesnt usually work, of course bare root will work in a
veggie filter tho.

water lilies dont do well in pea gravel, dont do all that well in veggie
filters
either. Ingrid

otoh, I've had success with lilies in pea gravel (and bare root). I'd
agree on the veggie filter though - there's usually too much flow for
them to be happy.

How do you fertilize them bare root? That sounds like a good way to go
for my little barrels.

You don't. I probably wouldn't do that in a little barrel either.
Bare-root planting is for ponds with healthy fish populations. The fish
produce the fertilizer, and the plants get it more easily if they're not in
soil.
--
derek

CanadianCowboy© wrote:

Derek Broughton wrote:
wrote:

use plastic water pots with no holes, use loam, top with gravel.
pea gravel doesnt usually work, of course bare root will work in a
veggie filter tho.

water lilies dont do well in pea gravel, dont do all that well in veggie
filters
either. Ingrid

otoh, I've had success with lilies in pea gravel (and bare root). I'd
agree on the veggie filter though - there's usually too much flow for
them to be happy.

Bare root Lilies ??? Interesting concept.

I may try this but I did have trouble with fish nibbling at the roots of
my hyacinth which allowed them to go yellow and eventually die.

While fish _will_ nibble the roots of W.Hyacinth, are you sure that was the
cause? Hyacinths often fail to thrive when there's a potassium (iirc - I
always get my potassium/phosphorus mixed up) deficiency. They go yellow,
_then_ they lose their roots.

How do I stop this? I feed the fish everyday during the summer months .

If it is the fish, netting around the roots helps.
--
derek

In article ,
Derek Broughton wrote:
otoh, I've had success with lilies in pea gravel (and bare root). I'd
agree on the veggie filter though - there's usually too much flow for
them to be happy.

How do you fertilize them bare root? That sounds like a good way to go
for my little barrels.

You don't. I probably wouldn't do that in a little barrel either.
Bare-root planting is for ponds with healthy fish populations. The fish
produce the fertilizer, and the plants get it more easily if they're not in
soil.

State of the art 1904 thinking. Innes would agree with you. But we've
come a long way since then and proper plant nutrition needs much much more
tha fish waste. They will *grow* to be sure, but they will grow much much
better with proper food.


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Derek Broughton wrote:
CanadianCowboy© wrote:

Derek Broughton wrote:
wrote:

use plastic water pots with no holes, use loam, top with gravel.
pea gravel doesnt usually work, of course bare root will work in a
veggie filter tho.

water lilies dont do well in pea gravel, dont do all that well in veggie
filters
either. Ingrid
otoh, I've had success with lilies in pea gravel (and bare root). I'd
agree on the veggie filter though - there's usually too much flow for
them to be happy.
Bare root Lilies ??? Interesting concept.

I may try this but I did have trouble with fish nibbling at the roots of
my hyacinth which allowed them to go yellow and eventually die.

While fish _will_ nibble the roots of W.Hyacinth, are you sure that was the
cause? Hyacinths often fail to thrive when there's a potassium (iirc - I
always get my potassium/phosphorus mixed up) deficiency. They go yellow,
_then_ they lose their roots.
How do I stop this? I feed the fish everyday during the summer months .

If it is the fish, netting around the roots helps.

I didn't add any fertilizer to the pond for the hyacinth. It was my
first year last year with these plants. Should I give them any
treatment other than throwing them in.

Thanks in advance !

"CanadianCowboy©" wrote in message
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I didn't add any fertilizer to the pond for the hyacinth. It was my first
year last year with these plants. Should I give them any treatment other
than throwing them in.
========================
I add about 2 heaping Tbs. Potassium (for gardens) when I add the floating
plants. That's the ONLY fertilizer I add to the pond water. Koi will still
nibble the roots to the point where my water hyacinth doesn't thrive.
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Aquariums since 1952
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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