"Richard Sexton" wrote in message
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In article ,
Koi-Lo wrote:
Do you know a good online place to buy hydroponic fertilizers? I can't
find
anywhere local that sells the stuff.

http://gregwatson.com
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Thanks Richard. If the Mennonites can't order it for me I'll buy online.
:-) Being FRUGAL I always try to locate stuff locally if possible and
remembered that Mennonite Greenhouse.....
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"Richard Sexton" wrote in message
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In article ,
Koi-Lo wrote:
I add about 2 heaping Tbs. Potassium (for gardens) when I add the floating
plants. That's the ONLY fertilizer I add to the pond water. Koi will
still
nibble the roots to the point where my water hyacinth doesn't thrive.

You're low on iron (+traces).
=========================
That may be but I was unable to find any liquid Iron safe for fish. I
suspected iron might be involved. I do add Ironite to the planted pond
plant's topsoil and they are always nice and green with lots of flowers. I
was hoping it would leach out into the water and some may be leaching -
because in the goldfish ponds they get a foot tall!!! The water lettuce
grows as big around as dinner plates. But in the 2000g koi pond they don't
do well at all. I'm definitely going to get some micronutrients before the
season begins in earnest here. I can't put out the floaters here until late
April so still have time.

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Richard Sexton wrote:

I had a not very heavily populated 5000 gallon pond.
My deep lilies would, every year, develop sufficient foliage to lift the
tubers a foot or two off the bottom of the pond. We're talking about 18"
or longer tubers, with 100sq.ft. of pads, and dozens of blooms. If I
could have made them grow better with "food" I'd have to have been nuts to
do it!

Ok, so you think you're nuts, but the point still stands. With proper
feeding they'll do *better*.

Why would you want better? As I said to Ingrid - it's useful if you're
raising them to sell, but hobbyists just want to get the maximum number of
blooms, sufficient surface coverage and a minimum of removing and dividing.
Adding nutrients to a fish pond is not generally desirable.
--
derek

In article ,
Derek Broughton wrote:
Richard Sexton wrote:

I had a not very heavily populated 5000 gallon pond.
My deep lilies would, every year, develop sufficient foliage to lift the
tubers a foot or two off the bottom of the pond. We're talking about 18"
or longer tubers, with 100sq.ft. of pads, and dozens of blooms. If I
could have made them grow better with "food" I'd have to have been nuts to
do it!

Ok, so you think you're nuts, but the point still stands. With proper
feeding they'll do *better*.

Why would you want better? As I said to Ingrid - it's useful if you're
raising them to sell, but hobbyists just want to get the maximum number of
blooms, sufficient surface coverage and a minimum of removing and dividing.
Adding nutrients to a fish pond is not generally desirable.

I'm not tellig you what you want or what is desirable, I'm just
telling you how things work since you had the mistaken belief
that "plants get all they need from fish waste", that's all.

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In article ,
Koi-Lo wrote:

"Richard Sexton" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Koi-Lo wrote:
Thanks. It's the *micronutrients* I can't locate such as water soluble
iron, manganese, boron, cobalt etc. that plants need. I'll check this
place
out.

Iron+traces is always found that way. You don't dose them individually.
=================
I didn't plan to do it individually.

Ok.

I wouldn't know how much of each to add. I was hoping to find them in a form
I could just add to water and use, like those houseplant fertilizers I have
for my houseplants. I wanted the person to know what I was looking for.........

Right. Iron+traces. It's harder to find just chalated iron than (chelated) iron
plus traces.


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In article ,
Koi-Lo wrote:

"Richard Sexton" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Koi-Lo wrote:
I add about 2 heaping Tbs. Potassium (for gardens) when I add the floating
plants. That's the ONLY fertilizer I add to the pond water. Koi will
still
nibble the roots to the point where my water hyacinth doesn't thrive.

You're low on iron (+traces).
=========================
That may be but I was unable to find any liquid Iron safe for fish. I

Huh? It's all good. Even washers in the substrate will work. I do that too.


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especially, I've seen it die when pH hit 8.5 and up. Other plants in the

The first question I'd ask is what is causing the pH to get thaty high. It
may be the chemical making the ph change that's thwe problem not the pH itself.

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"Richard Sexton" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Koi-Lo wrote:

"Richard Sexton" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Koi-Lo wrote:
Do you know a good online place to buy hydroponic fertilizers? I can't
find
anywhere local that sells the stuff.

http://gregwatson.com
=========================
Thanks Richard. If the Mennonites can't order it for me I'll buy online.
:-) Being FRUGAL I always try to locate stuff locally if possible and
remembered that Mennonite Greenhouse.....

Uness they buy it in huge quantities and sell you some in a palstic
bag it's iunlikey to be as cheap as you can get from Greg, even with
shipping.
=====================
I'll know in a week or two as I pass there on the way to one of my favorite
LFS. ;-)
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"Richard Sexton" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Koi-Lo wrote:

"Richard Sexton" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Koi-Lo wrote:
I add about 2 heaping Tbs. Potassium (for gardens) when I add the
floating
plants. That's the ONLY fertilizer I add to the pond water. Koi will
still
nibble the roots to the point where my water hyacinth doesn't thrive.

You're low on iron (+traces).
=========================
That may be but I was unable to find any liquid Iron safe for fish. I

Huh? It's all good. Even washers in the substrate will work. I do that
too.
=================
Do you think scattering the Ironite over the thick groups of pond plants
would do the trick? It has to dissolve in the water..... They encircle 2
1/2 sides of my pond and have all grown together into one monster clump.
--
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Aquariums since 1952
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

In article ,
Koi-Lo wrote:
Do you think scattering the Ironite over the thick groups of pond plants
would do the trick? It has to dissolve in the water..... They encircle 2
1/2 sides of my pond and have all grown together into one monster clump.

You already dose iron in your tanks right? This is no different.


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Richard Sexton wrote:

I'm not tellig you what you want or what is desirable, I'm just
telling you how things work since you had the mistaken belief
that "plants get all they need from fish waste", that's all.

There's nothing mistaken about it. My _lilies_ get more than sufficient
nutrients when kept bare root (I never once suggested _all_ plants, and in
fact have had trouble with Hyacinths specifically _because_ they can't get
everything they need in my pond, without additives). Please don't use
quotes when you're not quoting.
--
derek

there is something about moss .... my DH loves the moss too, so he took a little
pinch and put it on the side of the pond where the water splashes and now there is a
nice little pillow of it there too. Ingrid

~ janj wrote:

thank you, thank you. and now we got pillows of moss growing around the waterfall.
is very nice. and the tall bunches of cyperus made it thru the winter in the
basement so spring is going to look better than in years past. Ingrid

Speaking of moss, my little ferny moss that grows in the stream did really
well over winter. I guess it needs just a little moisture to keep it alive.
Last year, where it didn't get hardly any moisture it died. I put more in
that area, and it is still green this spring. ~ jan


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it is in the nature of fish to nibble tiny things all day long. feeding fish more
isnt going to save fine roots. that is one reason I installed a veggie filter. it
is the roots drag all the wastes out of the water.
Ingrid

Andrew Burgess wrote:

CanadianCowboy© wrote:

I may try this but I did have trouble with fish nibbling at the roots of
my hyacinth which allowed them to go yellow and eventually die.
How do I stop this? I feed the fish everyday during the summer months .

Feed more often. Many books recommend 2x day. 3x wouldn't hurt IMHO.



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"Richard Sexton" wrote in message
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In article ,
Koi-Lo wrote:
Do you think scattering the Ironite over the thick groups of pond plants
would do the trick? It has to dissolve in the water..... They encircle 2
1/2 sides of my pond and have all grown together into one monster clump.

You already dose iron in your tanks right? This is no differ
=======================
I'm talking about my outdoor ponds, not my aquariums.
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In article ,
wrote:
there is something about moss .... my DH loves the moss too, so he took a little
pinch and put it on the side of the pond where the water splashes and now there is a
nice little pillow of it there too. Ingrid

Moss is my secret weopan. Any tank with moss has a hard time growing alage. I've
experiemented with all sorts of plants tryiong to keep betta jars cleanm longer
and noting works like moss. I suspect if you threw a garbage bag of the stuff
into a pond it owuld have a dramatic effect of water clarity. It sure works
that way in aquaria.

In Asis the moss that grows around ponds is the stuff we grow in fishtanks. It
even grows in lawns there.


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