Can the Permalon users answers this...Can you cut holes in Permalon and seal
them well, like you can with EPDM?

--
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Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it.
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BenignVanilla wrote:
Can the Permalon users answers this...Can you cut holes in Permalon and seal
them well, like you can with EPDM?

--
BenignVanilla
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--two ways ken sells sealing tape which works great also RTV rubber
works





John Rutz
spring is here but its wheels are stuck in the snow
see my pond at:

http://www.fuerjefe.com

John Rutz wrote:


BenignVanilla wrote:

Can the Permalon users answers this...Can you cut holes in Permalon
and seal
them well, like you can with EPDM?

--
BenignVanilla
Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it.
tibetanbeefgarden.com

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--two ways ken sells sealing tape which works great also RTV rubber
works





John Rutz
spring is here but its wheels are stuck in the snow
see my pond at:

http://www.fuerjefe.com


I agree, I have cut holes and repaired them with that
wonderful double sided tape from Ken.

--
Bonnie
NJ
http://home.earthlink.net/~maebe43/

John Rutz wrote:


BenignVanilla wrote:

Can the Permalon users answers this...Can you cut holes in Permalon
and seal
them well, like you can with EPDM?

--
BenignVanilla
Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it.
tibetanbeefgarden.com

Remove MYFRONTALLOBE to email me.




--two ways ken sells sealing tape which works great also RTV rubber
works





John Rutz
spring is here but its wheels are stuck in the snow
see my pond at:

http://www.fuerjefe.com


I forgot, I also patched a hole cut in a Rubbermaid stock
tank with a piece of permalon and that great double sided tape.

--
Bonnie
NJ
http://home.earthlink.net/~maebe43/

BenignVanilla wrote:

Can the Permalon users answers this...Can you cut holes in Permalon and seal
them well, like you can with EPDM?


yes, you can also use sealing tape or pure silicone



--
BenignVanilla
Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it.
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401-781-9642 cell 401-225-0556
Importer/Exporter of Goldfish,Koi,rare Predators
Shipping to legal states/countries only!
Permalon liners, Oase & Supreme Pondmaster pumps


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"KenCo" wrote in message
...
BenignVanilla wrote:

Can the Permalon users answers this...Can you cut holes in Permalon and
seal
them well, like you can with EPDM?


yes, you can also use sealing tape or pure silicone

Thanks Ken. I am trying to make a decision this week. I have the final
measurements, and will need two liners...one for the reservoir, and one for
the VF. I am trying to decide between EPDM, Permalon and a third product
that I read about in another thread (can't remember the name right now). For
me the price will be the main factor. I can deal with the pain of moving a
million pounds of EPDM if it saves me some cash. Right now, I have not done
enough research for any of the products to be a front runner.

Care to try and sway me? Any info would be appreciated.

BV.

BenignVanilla wrote:
"KenCo" wrote in message
...

BenignVanilla wrote:

Can the Permalon users answers this...Can you cut holes in Permalon and

seal

them well, like you can with EPDM?


yes, you can also use sealing tape or pure silicone


Thanks Ken. I am trying to make a decision this week. I have the final
measurements, and will need two liners...one for the reservoir, and one for
the VF. I am trying to decide between EPDM, Permalon and a third product
that I read about in another thread (can't remember the name right now). For
me the price will be the main factor. I can deal with the pain of moving a
million pounds of EPDM if it saves me some cash. Right now, I have not done
enough research for any of the products to be a front runner.

Care to try and sway me? Any info would be appreciated.

BV.



I will the dif in price and weight makes all the weight to Permalon for me.
--





John Rutz
spring is here but its wheels are stuck in the snow
see my pond at:

http://www.fuerjefe.com

BenignVanilla wrote:

Thanks Ken. I am trying to make a decision this week. I have the final
measurements, and will need two liners...one for the reservoir, and one for
the VF. I am trying to decide between EPDM, Permalon and a third product
that I read about in another thread (can't remember the name right now). For
me the price will be the main factor. I can deal with the pain of moving a
million pounds of EPDM if it saves me some cash. Right now, I have not done
enough research for any of the products to be a front runner.

Care to try and sway me? Any info would be appreciated.

BV.


Permalon 70 lbs per 1000 sq ft
EPDM 450 lbs / 1000 sq ft

Permalon 5-6 x's stronger,

Permalon has 1 yr. unconditional guarr.
vs. EPDM 20 yr "manuf. defect" only warr.

Permalon is food grade, EPDM isnt unless its "pond guard".

Permalon is custom cut to any size up to 1 acre,
standard widths only w/ EPDM.




--
http://www.kencofish.com Ken Arnold,
401-781-9642 cell 401-225-0556
Importer/Exporter of Goldfish,Koi,rare Predators
Shipping to legal states/countries only!
Permalon liners, Oase & Supreme Pondmaster pumps


Please Note: No trees or animals were harmed in the
sending of this contaminant free message We do concede
that a signicant number of electrons may have been
inconvenienced.

"KenCo" wrote in message
...
BenignVanilla wrote:

Thanks Ken. I am trying to make a decision this week. I have the final
measurements, and will need two liners...one for the reservoir, and one
for
the VF. I am trying to decide between EPDM, Permalon and a third product
that I read about in another thread (can't remember the name right now).
For
me the price will be the main factor. I can deal with the pain of moving
a
million pounds of EPDM if it saves me some cash. Right now, I have not
done
enough research for any of the products to be a front runner.

Care to try and sway me? Any info would be appreciated.

BV.


Permalon 70 lbs per 1000 sq ft
EPDM 450 lbs / 1000 sq ft

Permalon 5-6 x's stronger,

Permalon has 1 yr. unconditional guarr.
vs. EPDM 20 yr "manuf. defect" only warr.

Permalon is food grade, EPDM isnt unless its "pond guard".

Permalon is custom cut to any size up to 1 acre,
standard widths only w/ EPDM.

What about cost?

BV.

John Rutz wrote:


BenignVanilla wrote:

"KenCo" wrote in message
...

BenignVanilla wrote:

Can the Permalon users answers this...Can you cut holes in Permalon and


seal

them well, like you can with EPDM?



yes, you can also use sealing tape or pure silicone



Thanks Ken. I am trying to make a decision this week. I have the final
measurements, and will need two liners...one for the reservoir, and
one for
the VF. I am trying to decide between EPDM, Permalon and a third product
that I read about in another thread (can't remember the name right
now). For
me the price will be the main factor. I can deal with the pain of
moving a
million pounds of EPDM if it saves me some cash. Right now, I have not
done
enough research for any of the products to be a front runner.

Care to try and sway me? Any info would be appreciated.

BV.



I will the dif in price and weight makes all the weight to Permalon for
me.

I've got to agree, the shipping and the actual placement of
the liner make Permalon the best choice. I put EDPM in the
first pond - it weighed a ton. The second pond I used
Permalon it was sooooo much easier to position in the hole,
when I added the veggie filter the next year I went with
Permalon once again.

--
Bonnie
NJ
http://home.earthlink.net/~maebe43/

BV,

I would look into buying just one liner, big enough for both. Your pond
design does not have enough of a water fall to assure water will flow just
one way, and that means that the liner will have to be spliced to keep from
having a potential leak. Then there is sufficient change in elevation, then
the stream/waterfall liner can be overlapped over the pond liner and not
have a leak.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


"BenignVanilla" m wrote in
message ...
"KenCo" wrote in message
...
BenignVanilla wrote:

Can the Permalon users answers this...Can you cut holes in Permalon
and
seal
them well, like you can with EPDM?


yes, you can also use sealing tape or pure silicone

Thanks Ken. I am trying to make a decision this week. I have the final
measurements, and will need two liners...one for the reservoir, and one
for
the VF. I am trying to decide between EPDM, Permalon and a third product
that I read about in another thread (can't remember the name right now).
For
me the price will be the main factor. I can deal with the pain of moving a
million pounds of EPDM if it saves me some cash. Right now, I have not
done
enough research for any of the products to be a front runner.

Care to try and sway me? Any info would be appreciated.

BV.

"RichToyBox" wrote in message
news:X_Eka.111151$OV.211691@rwcrnsc54...
BV,

I would look into buying just one liner, big enough for both. Your pond
design does not have enough of a water fall to assure water will flow just
one way, and that means that the liner will have to be spliced to keep
from
having a potential leak. Then there is sufficient change in elevation,
then
the stream/waterfall liner can be overlapped over the pond liner and not
have a leak.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html

The VF and the reservoir pond are far enough apart (actually separate bodies
of water) that I will be plumbing the whole thing with 4 inch pipe. One
large liner wouldn't work for me. Water will only able to flow into the VF
via a 4 inch pipe. I plan to connect the output of the pump to 4 inch pipe
for outflow, so the water will only be able to drain from the VF into the
reservoir pond if the pump is shut off.

BV.

BenignVanilla wrote:

Permalon 70 lbs per 1000 sq ft
EPDM 450 lbs / 1000 sq ft

Permalon 5-6 x's stronger,

Permalon has 1 yr. unconditional guarr.
vs. EPDM 20 yr "manuf. defect" only warr.

Permalon is food grade, EPDM isnt unless its "pond guard".

Permalon is custom cut to any size up to 1 acre,
standard widths only w/ EPDM.

What about cost?

BV.



http://www.kencofish.com/hardgood.htm

Permalon Ply X-210 HDPE Liner
$.40 sq. ft. if under 650 sq. ft. total
$.39 sq. ft. if over 650 sq ft. ,
$.38 sq. ft. if over 2500 sq ft.








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http://www.kencofish.com Ken Arnold,
401-781-9642 cell 401-225-0556
Importer/Exporter of Goldfish,Koi,rare Predators
Shipping to legal states/countries only!
Permalon liners, Oase & Supreme Pondmaster pumps


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sending of this contaminant free message We do concede
that a signicant number of electrons may have been
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"Russ and Cathy" wrote:
Would putting a fake owl on or near my pond keep away snakes?


Actually, fake owls do work, but you have to keep moving it around
every day. My parents have a fig tree and the snakes love them. The
"owl" keeps them away, but you have to be conscientious about moving
it.

Here in Louisiana we have everything from nutria to snakes to
cockroaches to alligators. We take a more relaxed view of wildlife
and try to get along (up to a point).

BTW: Depending on where you live, the snakes you see are probably
harmless and help keep the various vermin and bugs under control.
You may be trading one harmless (but scary) problem for a much more
unpleasant rodent one (EEK!).


Michael Fermanis
New Orleans, Louisiana USA (Remove the RICE to reply)
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