Nehmo wrote:
-snip-

I realize the ordinances use the word “noxious”, but the word means
harmful. Harmful to what?

The 'natural' environment? [which, IMO includes mowed lawns]

And which plants are the ordinances
referring to? Actually, there is no list of noxious plants,

Sure there are--
http://plants.usda.gov/java/noxiousDriver

Both federal and state lists. And I'll bet some counties have lists.


-snip-
Birds would be better served if we didn't mow. In unmowed forest
preserves birds thrive. In any case, cutting grass is unnatural.

I'm with you on the anti-mowing crusade-- I've never understood
anyone's fascination with 'well manicured' grass. But some birds
[bluebirds, robins, doves . . . probably others] prefer short grass.

Jim

In article ,
Nehmo wrote:

I realize the ordinances use the word “noxious”, but the word means
harmful. Harmful to what? And which plants are the ordinances
referring to? Actually, there is no list of noxious plants, and
“noxious” isn’t defined legally. It’s just a word the writers of the
ordinances thought sounded good. Thus, there is yet another reason
for the repeal of these laws. They are vague, perhaps
unconstitutionally vague.

Relevant jurisdictions will have a "noxious weeds list", which you can
probably find on your ministry or department of agriculture's web site.
Noxious weeds are ones that are a problem for farmers because they are
hard to control and spread easily. It's in the interest of
farmers (and thus everybody who eats food) that everyone prevent these
weeds from flourishing on their property.

Btw, most of the plants on noxious weeds lists are non-native.

Nehmo wrote:

Typically lawn care uses either the two cycle engine or a small
four cycle engine.

I don't think I've ever seen a lawn mower with a 2-cycle engine. Does
anyone even sell such a thing these days?

On Jun 21, 8:17*pm, Some Guy wrote:
Nehmo wrote:
Typically lawn care uses either the two cycle engine or a small
four cycle engine.

I don't think I've ever seen a lawn mower with a 2-cycle engine. *Does
anyone even sell such a thing these days?

http://www.newhavenpower.com/Lawnboy...Pro_INDEX.html

Here let me quote you the statement you contradict later. Common sense in
N.America tells us this is incorrect with our legal systems.


"In Kansas City Kansas, a so-called Code Violation is a misdemeanor
punishable by up to 6 months in jail"

Later you state it take another violation in a criminal law fashion to "go
to jail"



"Nehmo" wrote in message
...
On Jun 17, 8:23 pm, "Josepi" wrote:
By your own statements, you cannot go to jail for long grass or "code
violation" and your first sentence contradicts further statements posted
by
you.

You can go to jail for not complying with authority demands or violating
court orders and such.

"Nehmo" wrote in message

...
In Kansas City Kansas, a so-called Code Violation is a misdemeanor
punishable by up to 6 months in jail. The first time fine, even if the
situation is corrected, is typically $149.10. (but sometimes is
$249.10. $49.10 is court cost) If you don't pay or don't show up for
court, you go to jail. I'm personally familiar with the situation in
that city (1), but with a short search, I couldn't find a good link. I
did find one for Prairie Village, Kansas (part of the KC
metro)http://www.pvkansas.com/codes/violations.shtml:
"If violations are not corrected in the time determined by the Code
Enforcement Officer, a Notice to Appear in Municipal Court (ticket)
may be issued. When this occurs, the owner/resident must appear in
Court.
Upon conviction in Municipal Court, violators may be required to pay
fines and/or serve time in jail."

These laws are local, so the penalty and practices vary. But yes,
without a doubt, people are jailed for caring for their lawn
differently than what some other people want. I consider this a first
amendment violation, an infringement of freedom of expression.

(1) I watched several municipal Code Violation "trials". The defendant
never won.

What statement of mine contradicts another? I repeat, a defendant
_can_ go to jail for a code violation in Kansas City, Kansas. I'm sure
in other jurisdictions it's possible too. In some other jurisdictions
perhaps there are no laws on the issue.

` ~ - Nehmo

....and Lawnboys are still some of the quietest gas mowers out there.


"keith" wrote in message news:85d8046a-ee81-469d-8d60-
...
Typically lawn care uses either the two cycle engine or a small
four cycle engine.


http://www.newhavenpower.com/Lawnboy...Pro_INDEX.html

On Jun 21, 8:17 pm, Some Guy wrote:
Nehmo wrote:
I don't think I've ever seen a lawn mower with a 2-cycle engine. Does
anyone even sell such a thing these days?

Let me see if I can properly re-format this thread:

I don't think I've ever seen a lawn mower with a 2-cycle engine.
Does anyone even sell such a thing these days?

Nehmo wrote:

http://www.newhavenpower.com/Lawnboy...Pro_INDEX.html

Josepi wrote:

...and Lawnboys are still some of the quietest gas mowers out
there.

Ugh. Ok, so somebody is making wimpy 2-cycle mowers. I've never seen
them for sale.

Wasn't there some emmissions laws passed a few years ago pertaining to
small engines? Wasn't it supposed to make small engines (lawn mowers,
snow blowers, chain saws, etc) cleaner burning?

And don't tell me that a 2-cycle lawn mower is going to be quieter than
a 4-cycle one.

And who wants to mess with mixing oil with their gas?

On Jun 22, 9:53*pm, Some Guy wrote:
Let me see if I can properly re-format this thread:

I don't think I've ever seen a lawn mower with a 2-cycle engine.
Does anyone even sell such a thing these days?
Nehmo wrote:

http://www.newhavenpower.com/Lawnboy...Pro_INDEX.html
Josepi wrote:
...and Lawnboys are still some of the quietest gas mowers out
there.

Ugh. *Ok, so somebody is making wimpy 2-cycle mowers. *I've never seen
them for sale.

You obviously haven't looked. LawnBoy has made two-cycle mowers for
decades.

Wasn't there some emmissions laws passed a few years ago pertaining to
small engines? *Wasn't it supposed to make small engines (lawn mowers,
snow blowers, chain saws, etc) cleaner burning?

In CA, perhaps. Modern two-cycle engines are pretty clean burning.

And don't tell me that a 2-cycle lawn mower is going to be quieter than
a 4-cycle one.

The LawnBoy certainly is.

And who wants to mess with mixing oil with their gas?

I certainly don't, certainly not with different mixtures for each
tool. That's why my string trimmer/leaf blower/lawn edger is four
cycle. One can of gas for everything.