Learned a lesson this year about a simple thing such as eating fruit.
I love fruit and all my life
have never slackened my desire for fruit. Last year I canned 360
quarts of fruit. But some of them
were fruit that was not fully ripe. This is because I dread any fruit
going to waste or tried to get
all the fruit before the birds got it. But that was a mistake because
I am finding out that unripe
fruit is not really pleasurable to eat and in the case of about 6
quarts I simply threw out
because they were unripe fruit.

I had come to think that in the boiling process of canning that the
unripeness of the fruit
would go away or be masked. But that was false assumption. Simply put,
if fruit is not fully
ripe, then it is not a great pleasure to eat, no matter if fresh or
canned.

So this year, I am going for only full ripe fruit.

P.S. I am trying to figure out whether my horse, Llama and donkey like
fig-newtons more
than they like apples. The Llama likes fig newtons most of all, and
perhaps there is a
long distant gene to when Llamas were camel like creatures and where
they had figs
and dates in the desert. But the horse definitely likes both apples
and cookies but it
is hard to differentiate between the two. The donkey does not care for
apples at all.

But one thing the three have pleased me is that they like eating
bulrushes where
the swampy part of my land and the three have gone in there and
cleared out the
bulrushes so that I can see the ground for the first time.

Archimedes Plutonium
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a_plutonium wrote:
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But one thing the three have pleased me is that they like eating
bulrushes where
the swampy part of my land and the three have gone in there and
cleared out the
bulrushes so that I can see the ground for the first time.



Not withstanding the fact that horses were a prime means of transport
and work for millenium.
Not withstanding the fact that horses were also a prime livestock food
source for millenium.

But I think the greatest value of horses which has not been recognized
is the fact of what
they eat. And to utilize what they eat. The purpose of a horse in
terms of ecology, the science
of ecology is what the animal eats. The purpose is equated to what it
eats.

So, I have 5 acres of grass and weeds which I never cleared. So what
is the world's best solution
for that 5 acres. The answer is a horse, donkey and Llama. Set the
three in those 5 acres and
everyone wins. The soil wins in fertilizer. I win in having a cleaned
out 5 acres. The donkey and
horse and Llama love it.

So I think in modern times, if you want a horse, then have alot of
land to be cleared out by the
horse eating the vegetation. Don't get a horse because you want to
ride it infrequently. Get a
horse because you have plenty of land for the horse to keep clean of
grass and weeds.

P.S. also, do not get a solo horse or animal because they are social
animals and they need some
other animals to form a social group. People who keep solo animals are
really doing those animals
a act of cruelty. Provide them at least with a partner animal so life
for them is "not lonely".

Archimedes Plutonium
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where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies

a_plutonium schrieb:

So, I have 5 acres of grass and weeds which I never cleared. So what
is the world's best solution
for that 5 acres. The answer is a horse, donkey and Llama. Set the
three in those 5 acres and
everyone wins. The soil wins in fertilizer. I win in having a cleaned
out 5 acres. The donkey and
horse and Llama love it.

please don't forget to leave some corners unoccupied for botanical
diversity and for harvesting hay for winter time

if you need avice how cutting high grass I can help you - flowers are
mostly endangered

cheers from Lake Constance
kauhl

kauhl-meersburg wrote:

please don't forget to leave some corners unoccupied for botanical
diversity and for harvesting hay for winter time

if you need avice how cutting high grass I can help you - flowers are
mostly endangered

cheers from Lake Constance
kauhl

I would just use my sickle. Or buy some hay bails.

Do you know if horses or cows eat hazelnut bushes? The horse ate out
my strawberry bed when
I was not looking.

Archimedes Plutonium
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whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies

a_plutonium schrieb:
kauhl-meersburg wrote:

please don't forget to leave some corners unoccupied for botanical

Do you know if horses or cows eat hazelnut bushes? The horse ate out
my strawberry bed when I was not looking.

surely they do - have you never seen a wood border, touching a cow
pasture - leaf region only begins in 2 yards height

leaves must have some other ingredients than grass, which is like spice
for cattle - by this method I solve my hedge growing problem, everyday
an armful of fresh branches as dessert

cheers kauhl

kauhl-meersburg wrote:
a_plutonium schrieb:
kauhl-meersburg wrote:

please don't forget to leave some corners unoccupied for botanical

Do you know if horses or cows eat hazelnut bushes? The horse ate out
my strawberry bed when I was not looking.

surely they do - have you never seen a wood border, touching a cow
pasture - leaf region only begins in 2 yards height

leaves must have some other ingredients than grass, which is like spice
for cattle - by this method I solve my hedge growing problem, everyday
an armful of fresh branches as dessert

cheers kauhl

How do you handle or solve flys and insects in the summertime. The
horse is constantly bothered with flys on his legs?

And I need advice on butchering a cow in the future. Have you ever
butchered your own cow for steaks and meat? And can a person
butcher his own cattle to get the world's finest steak meat, ie,
organically grown steak meat?

Do I need salt and some cellar?

Have you ever butchered and achieved great steak meat?

And is there a age at which cows are ethically butchered-- I
mean where they have had a long enough life and where their
meat is perhaps not the best eating but good eating.

So is there an age at which a cow or bull is allowed to live a
good life and balances with the desire to have good meat
to eat?

Question: have you ever eaten horse meat steaks or
Llama meat steaks?

Butchering is all new to me. Maybe I should not get involved
but with my curiosity, I probably cannot avoid finding out.

So have you ever butchered and can you give advice? I want
organic and great tasting meat. Or is it impossible unless
you have a large setup to salt and store and cure the meat?

Would not the finest eating steak be fresh from the "kill"?

And do you have some advice as to "humanely kill a cow" so
there is little to no pain?

Archimedes Plutonium
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whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies

Unfortunately, seeds that pass through a horse, cow, sheep, etc. often
remain viable or are even stimulated to germination. If you are using
livestock to control weeds, you have to have them do the eating before
any seed are present.

M. Reed

But I think the greatest value of horses which has not been recognized
is the fact of what
they eat. And to utilize what they eat. The purpose of a horse in
terms of ecology, the science
of ecology is what the animal eats. The purpose is equated to what it
eats.

So, I have 5 acres of grass and weeds which I never cleared. So what
is the world's best solution
for that 5 acres. The answer is a horse, donkey and Llama. Set the
three in those 5 acres and
everyone wins. The soil wins in fertilizer. I win in having a cleaned
out 5 acres. The donkey and
horse and Llama love it.

How do you handle or solve flys and insects in the summertime. The
horse is constantly bothered with flys on his legs?

And I need advice on butchering a cow in the future.
And do you have some advice as to "humanely kill a cow" so
there is little to no pain?
hello archie (next time I want to see your real name!),

concerning flies / insects my experience says that cattle can endure
them, that's not the main problem

the greatest obstacles will be your personal abilities to process into
utilizing all that valuable content of the butchered animal without
loosing all those other excellent parts

above all you need a freezing room for the meat and many cookery
equipment for sausages etc., supposed you know the anatomy and how to
portion it

answering your question for best age of butchering I would direct your
attention to a new trend of cattle maintenance in Europe, called
"mother-cow breeding" (translated literally), where the young calf stays
one year with its mother - getting her milk, and then being butchered

have some patience, I'll look on the web to deliver you better hints

so long cheerfully
kauhl

the greatest obstacles will be your personal abilities to process into
utilizing all that valuable content of the butchered animal without
loosing all those other excellent parts

above all you need a freezing room for the meat and many cookery
equipment for sausages etc., supposed you know the anatomy and how to
portion it

answering your question for best age of butchering I would direct your
attention to a new trend of cattle maintenance in Europe, called
"mother-cow breeding" (translated literally), where the young calf stays
one year with its mother - getting her milk, and then being butchered

have some patience, I'll look on the web to deliver you better hints

hello Archie,

get into Google with "cow-calf production" and "home butchering" and you
will find all you are looking for

nevertheless I am still interested in your further adventures, keep us
informed

cheers kauhl

kauhl-meersburg wrote:


leaves must have some other ingredients than grass, which is like spice
for cattle - by this method I solve my hedge growing problem, everyday
an armful of fresh branches as dessert

cheers kauhl

A few days ago I came to the enclosure of the horse, donkey and Llama
and found the donkey and
Llama had gotten out of their corral area and into another pasture
that I wanted them only there
when I can monitor them so as not to destroy new plants. I was puzzled
as to how the donkey and
Llama got out and so I tested them to see how quickly they went to the
"hole in the fence". Did
they jump the fence?

So I put the donkey back into the corral area and he immediately went
to a row of trees where I
had barricaded with wood timber as a homemade fence. And there was the
hole.

The old saying "grass is greener on the other side" is what prompts
the donkey, Llama and horse
to look for holes to get to the greener grass.

So a donkey is not stupid in that it immediately remembers where it
found a hole some hours prior.

Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies

a_plutonium wrote:
kauhl-meersburg wrote:


leaves must have some other ingredients than grass, which is like spice
for cattle - by this method I solve my hedge growing problem, everyday
an armful of fresh branches as dessert

cheers kauhl


Yes, the corral area I keep the donkey, horse and Llama are near a
artesian well so there is always
water available and it is cool over there in summer hot days. But the
three have eaten nearly all the grass
and have turned the ground to dirt. The donkey and horse like to be
next to one another and have a
dirt-roll pad and the Llama has his own dirt roll pad.

So what I do is let them out into other pastures during the day when I
can monitor them so as to not
lose any plants that I have landscaped and at nights I put them back
into the corral. To get them back
into the corral, I bribe them with a fig-newton and then shut the
gate. The donkey and Llama always
fall for the bribe, but the horse is catching on in wisdom and is
beginning to hesitate over the fig newton
versus the green pasture. One of these future days, the horse will
turn down the fig newton and stay
put in the pasture.

And because the corral is now nearly barren except for bullrushes, I
cut off branches of weed trees and throw
them into the corral which keeps them eating until the next day to let
out into the pastures.

So I think that a corral for night and pasture in daytime is a good
way of keeping animals.

And I find that as I build more fencing and get more pastureland into
use, that I sometimes need temporary
fencing and so I stack up alot of brush and logs and wood. It has
worked well so far, but must keep an eye
out on that since these animals are not dumb and when they see greener
plants elsewhere they continually
test their confines.

Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies

Buridan's donkey story is where the donkey is equidistant between two
equally tempting piles of hay and
because they are equal in every way the donkey can not make up its
mind which to start eating and thus
starves to death. This story is obviously impractical, but it wants to
focus on a message.

However, my pony horse has a new twist on the Buridan story. My pony
horse wants to come close
to me because I often feed them with fig-newtons or other cookies, but
my pony horse wants to
stay away from me if not with cookies and so it immediately prances
away if not bearing cookies.

And whenever I get on the pony horse to ride, he has figured out that
by standing still, is the fastest
way of getting rid of me as a rider. The donkey has not figured that
out yet and will take me quite a distance.
But the pony horse has that figured out real well.

So, now, my Pony Horse Buridan story. The pony wants to come close to
me to see if there are
cookies in my hand, but if no cookies then the pony wants to prance
away out of reach of me trying
to catch him. So the pony is closer to a true Buridan story.

Archimedes Plutonium
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whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies