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Plants like asbestos?
So I now understand why asbestos is so toxic. When animals breathe it in
it is like tiny knives or needles in the lung of the animal. As white blood cells and other cells come in contact with the asbestos fiber its ends are so sharp as to cut or pierce the cells and thus lending those cells prone to a mutation of cancer forming area. And the fact that this asbestos, once in the lungs is almost impossible to get out of the lung. But I wonder about plants. I used to bury old fiberglass in the ground and especially with new trees or transplants because fiberglass is really a form of sand material and plants surely love some sand in clay soils. But what about asbestos burial around plants. Do the plants like the asbestos? Or is asbestos just like another clay itself? And if asbestos is buried in the ground will that render it less toxic over time? Anyone have experience on these issues raised. Archimedes Plutonium, whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies |
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Plants like asbestos?
Asbestos is a mineral, it comes from the ground, and you can put it in the
ground. And it has been in the ground for a long time, not in a form plants can use as nutrients. Since it came from the ground, putting it back doesn't change it. Probably would make a good drainage material for plants. Note that fiberglass is not natural, but man made. It is formed from natural materials. The asbestos is processed as it comes from the ground like cotton yarn from cotton plants. -- Henry Boyter, Jr. PhD Chemist http://www.itt.edu/staff/boyter/links/index.html The opinions expressed are those of Dr. Boyter and are provided for informational purposes only and should not be used as advice. No warranty or expression of professionalism is implied. "Archimedes Plutonium" wrote in message ... So I now understand why asbestos is so toxic. When animals breathe it in it is like tiny knives or needles in the lung of the animal. As white blood cells and other cells come in contact with the asbestos fiber its ends are so sharp as to cut or pierce the cells and thus lending those cells prone to a mutation of cancer forming area. And the fact that this asbestos, once in the lungs is almost impossible to get out of the lung. But I wonder about plants. I used to bury old fiberglass in the ground and especially with new trees or transplants because fiberglass is really a form of sand material and plants surely love some sand in clay soils. But what about asbestos burial around plants. Do the plants like the asbestos? Or is asbestos just like another clay itself? And if asbestos is buried in the ground will that render it less toxic over time? Anyone have experience on these issues raised. Archimedes Plutonium, whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies |
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Plants like asbestos?
Henry Boyter wrote: Asbestos is a mineral, it comes from the ground, and you can put it in the ground. And it has been in the ground for a long time, not in a form plants can use as nutrients. Since it came from the ground, putting it back doesn't change it. Probably would make a good drainage material for plants. Note that fiberglass is not natural, but man made. It is formed from natural materials. The asbestos is processed as it comes from the ground like cotton yarn from cotton plants. -- Henry Boyter, Jr. PhD Chemist http://www.itt.edu/staff/boyter/links/index.html The opinions expressed are those of Dr. Boyter and are provided for informational purposes only and should not be used as advice. No warranty or expression of professionalism is implied. Henry I appreciate your comments. But I want to say something about your humanity and my humanity in connection with being a scientist. For I fancy that you consider yourself a scientist and I no doubt feel myself a scientist. My concern is that a scientist should never be stooping to the fear of lawyers or lawsuit or the justice system. I feel that you should have given your comments above but never have stooped to the add on of the legal caption. You see, Henry. I believe you denigrate and lower science and scientists when you throw in this "fear of legal system". I believe the internet and sci newsgroups in particular are far above legalities. In that if a scientist expresses his or her opinion that the legal system should never be invoked. Truth of science is far above legal systems in the world. Science is far above lawyers, judges, courts and anything of the legal system. I seem to have trouble saying what is on my mind about your caption. But it troubles me to see any scientist render his or her opinion and then have to end their thoughts with a legal warning. Science is the single greatest truth on Earth. And I have often written that Science is God and God is Science. Which is true in Atom Totality theory for we are just a tiny speck of God itself which is one atom. So, Henry, I appreciate your comments on asbestos. But I feel that since you are a scientist, that you denigrate science itself when you end your Freedom of Speech, your mind, your opinion with some legalistic caption. To me, that is like entering church and praying to God and at the end add on a legalistic jingo. Science is freedom-of-speech. I do not like seeing scientists cobbled by legal systems. Archimedes Plutonium, whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies |
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Plants like asbestos?
I am now running a test on whether plants with fiberglass in their soil grow
better than those without. I figure the fiberglass allows more air to the root system than the pure clay soils. Also, many years ago I observed raspberry plants and they seem to like trashy garbaged soil rather than normal soil. They even liked asphalt shingles in the soil rather than normal soil. Has anyone made a test on why some plants like petroleum products such as asphalt shingles near to them? Archimedes Plutonium, whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies |
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Plants like asbestos?
Are you gonna eat that stuff ?
Not me. "Archimedes Plutonium" wrote in message ... I am now running a test on whether plants with fiberglass in their soil grow better than those without. I figure the fiberglass allows more air to the root system than the pure clay soils. Also, many years ago I observed raspberry plants and they seem to like trashy garbaged soil rather than normal soil. They even liked asphalt shingles in the soil rather than normal soil. Has anyone made a test on why some plants like petroleum products such as asphalt shingles near to them? Archimedes Plutonium, whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies |
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Plants like asbestos?
"Matilda Zuckerman" wrote in message et... Are you gonna eat that stuff ? Not me. "Archimedes Plutonium" wrote in message ... I am now running a test on whether plants with fiberglass in their soil grow better than those without. I figure the fiberglass allows more air to the root system than the pure clay soils. Also, many years ago I observed raspberry plants and they seem to like trashy garbaged soil rather than normal soil. They even liked asphalt shingles in the soil rather than normal soil. Has anyone made a test on why some plants like petroleum products such as asphalt shingles near to them? I have raised crops next to oil well were oil was spilled on the groud. It takes about 5 years for the bactera to break it down to the point you can't tell were it was. Salt water spills are another thing altogeater. In sandy soil it takes a long time to wash it out of the soil and clay soils it takes longer than my lifetime. Asphalt shingles wouldn't have much effect on soil. Asphalt has been sprayed on soil to control weeds and to warm up soil causing it to warm up about a week earlier in the spring. It is not cost effective in the 50's and it wouldn't be environmentally acceptable today. Gordon Couger Stillwater, OK www.couger.com/gcouger |
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Plants like asbestos?
Matilda Zuckerman wrote: Are you gonna eat that stuff ? Not me. I have eaten plenty of wildraspberries growing in manmade dump sites abandoned. I consider the entire plant as a screening or sieve of any trash in the soil and that the berry itself is as clean and pure as one grown in an organic orchard. Now, your reply got me to thinking as to why perhaps raspberries love trashpiles. Consider entropy, the measure of disorder. And consider that plain dirt soil at a given place or site is near to its lowest entropy. Hard to believe that trash contains alot less entropy, a lot less disorder. And that trash and garbage contain alot of order and thus energy. Trash such as plastics and glass and metal and asphalt and paper and wax and discarded kitchen wastes. And so, if any one of us were a plant, we would love to have that supplemented into the soil around us because that more ordered energy will be broken down and in the breakdown will nourish the plants. Also, trash and garbage aerate the soil more than normal soil. I believe that is some of the answer to the question as to whether plants like trash and garbage put into the soil. There should be some means of quantifying and researching the above questions. Archimedes Plutonium, whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies |
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Plants like asbestos?
Archie, you are the king of trash pile entropy!!!!
How many citations have you gotten for not cleaning up your yard and does your excuse hold up in court? Your yard isn't filthy, you're just doing an experiment in trash pile entropy! Maybe you're really the result of secret government gene splicing experiments with a pack rat? Do tell us more about your "Speck Theory" of the universe! We all could use a good laugh! :-) Archimedes Plutonium wrote in message ... Matilda Zuckerman wrote: Are you gonna eat that stuff ? Not me. I have eaten plenty of wildraspberries growing in manmade dump sites abandoned. I consider the entire plant as a screening or sieve of any trash in the soil and that the berry itself is as clean and pure as one grown in an organic orchard. Now, your reply got me to thinking as to why perhaps raspberries love trashpiles. Consider entropy, the measure of disorder. And consider that plain dirt soil at a given place or site is near to its lowest entropy. Hard to believe that trash contains alot less entropy, a lot less disorder. And that trash and garbage contain alot of order and thus energy. Trash such as plastics and glass and metal and asphalt and paper and wax and discarded kitchen wastes. And so, if any one of us were a plant, we would love to have that supplemented into the soil around us because that more ordered energy will be broken down and in the breakdown will nourish the plants. Also, trash and garbage aerate the soil more than normal soil. I believe that is some of the answer to the question as to whether plants like trash and garbage put into the soil. There should be some means of quantifying and researching the above questions. Archimedes Plutonium, whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies |
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Plants like asbestos?
"Archimedes Plutonium" wrote in message ... Now, your reply got me to thinking as to why perhaps raspberries love trashpiles. Hard to believe that trash contains alot less entropy, a lot less disorder. And that trash and garbage contain alot of order and thus energy. Trash such as plastics and glass and metal and asphalt and paper and wax and discarded kitchen wastes. Hmmm, now why do I get an image of you in the picturesque wasteland of your backyard in an old horse-trough bath wondering how much water you're slopping over the sides while munching toxic raspberries and discussing chaos theory with the resident critters. |
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Plants like asbestos?
Mr. Plutonium,
are you saying that you would never threaten legal action against someone for what they say? Just curious. Archimedes Plutonium wrote in message ... Henry Boyter wrote: Asbestos is a mineral, it comes from the ground, and you can put it in the ground. And it has been in the ground for a long time, not in a form plants can use as nutrients. Since it came from the ground, putting it back doesn't change it. Probably would make a good drainage material for plants. Note that fiberglass is not natural, but man made. It is formed from natural materials. The asbestos is processed as it comes from the ground like cotton yarn from cotton plants. -- Henry Boyter, Jr. PhD Chemist http://www.itt.edu/staff/boyter/links/index.html The opinions expressed are those of Dr. Boyter and are provided for informational purposes only and should not be used as advice. No warranty or expression of professionalism is implied. Henry I appreciate your comments. But I want to say something about your humanity and my humanity in connection with being a scientist. For I fancy that you consider yourself a scientist and I no doubt feel myself a scientist. My concern is that a scientist should never be stooping to the fear of lawyers or lawsuit or the justice system. I feel that you should have given your comments above but never have stooped to the add on of the legal caption. You see, Henry. I believe you denigrate and lower science and scientists when you throw in this "fear of legal system". I believe the internet and sci newsgroups in particular are far above legalities. In that if a scientist expresses his or her opinion that the legal system should never be invoked. Truth of science is far above legal systems in the world. Science is far above lawyers, judges, courts and anything of the legal system. I seem to have trouble saying what is on my mind about your caption. But it troubles me to see any scientist render his or her opinion and then have to end their thoughts with a legal warning. Science is the single greatest truth on Earth. And I have often written that Science is God and God is Science. Which is true in Atom Totality theory for we are just a tiny speck of God itself which is one atom. So, Henry, I appreciate your comments on asbestos. But I feel that since you are a scientist, that you denigrate science itself when you end your Freedom of Speech, your mind, your opinion with some legalistic caption. To me, that is like entering church and praying to God and at the end add on a legalistic jingo. Science is freedom-of-speech. I do not like seeing scientists cobbled by legal systems. Archimedes Plutonium, whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies |
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Plants like asbestos?
Zachary wrote: Mr. Plutonium, are you saying that you would never threaten legal action against someone for what they say? Just curious. Think of how a Pragmatist would answer you on your specific question, which was lifted out of context. But in context to that specific post which I replied, I have this answer. It is an annoying nuisance for anyone to cite legal captions in sci. newsgroups. Science should and must be the highest form of freedom of speech. For anyone to end his comments or thoughts in sci. with a legalistic-caption is similar to someone going to Church and devoutly religious and ending each prayer with a similar legalistic jingo. Science is the highest form of anything. Not courts, not lawyers, not legal systems, not Supreme Courts, not religion, not police, not armies. Science is the highest because it is the closest to the truth. God is Science, and Science is God. And so to participate in sci newsgroups and ending your contribution with some legalistic jingo is lowering and blasphemous and hypocritical. Don't even bother to make a comment in science or about science if you fear the legal system. Because then you are saying a legal-system is above science when it never is. Unless of course you talk about sci.legal. But the world has not begun the science of legal systems which is an offshoot of sociology, economics and politics. What I am saying is that don't bother to post in any science newsgroup if you are gripped with fear of lawsuits and feel you have to end your post with a legal warning. Archimedes Plutonium, whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies |
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Plants like asbestos?
I don't know if I'm asking a pragmatist or not. I was asking you.
Archimedes Plutonium wrote in message ... Zachary wrote: Mr. Plutonium, are you saying that you would never threaten legal action against someone for what they say? Just curious. Think of how a Pragmatist would answer you on your specific question, which was lifted out of context. But in context to that specific post which I replied, I have this answer. It is an annoying nuisance for anyone to cite legal captions in sci. newsgroups. Science should and must be the highest form of freedom of speech. For anyone to end his comments or thoughts in sci. with a legalistic-caption is similar to someone going to Church and devoutly religious and ending each prayer with a similar legalistic jingo. Science is the highest form of anything. Not courts, not lawyers, not legal systems, not Supreme Courts, not religion, not police, not armies. Science is the highest because it is the closest to the truth. God is Science, and Science is God. And so to participate in sci newsgroups and ending your contribution with some legalistic jingo is lowering and blasphemous and hypocritical. Don't even bother to make a comment in science or about science if you fear the legal system. Because then you are saying a legal-system is above science when it never is. Unless of course you talk about sci.legal. But the world has not begun the science of legal systems which is an offshoot of sociology, economics and politics. What I am saying is that don't bother to post in any science newsgroup if you are gripped with fear of lawsuits and feel you have to end your post with a legal warning. Archimedes Plutonium, whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies |
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Plants like asbestos?
Asbestos is a mineral, it comes from the ground, and you can put it in the
ground. And it has been in the ground for a long time, not in a form plants can use as nutrients. Since it came from the ground, putting it back doesn't change it. Probably would make a good drainage material for plants. Note that fiberglass is not natural, but man made. It is formed from natural materials. The asbestos is processed as it comes from the ground like cotton yarn from cotton plants. -- Henry Boyter, Jr. PhD Chemist http://www.itt.edu/staff/boyter/links/index.html The opinions expressed are those of Dr. Boyter and are provided for informational purposes only and should not be used as advice. No warranty or expression of professionalism is implied. "Archimedes Plutonium" wrote in message ... So I now understand why asbestos is so toxic. When animals breathe it in it is like tiny knives or needles in the lung of the animal. As white blood cells and other cells come in contact with the asbestos fiber its ends are so sharp as to cut or pierce the cells and thus lending those cells prone to a mutation of cancer forming area. And the fact that this asbestos, once in the lungs is almost impossible to get out of the lung. But I wonder about plants. I used to bury old fiberglass in the ground and especially with new trees or transplants because fiberglass is really a form of sand material and plants surely love some sand in clay soils. But what about asbestos burial around plants. Do the plants like the asbestos? Or is asbestos just like another clay itself? And if asbestos is buried in the ground will that render it less toxic over time? Anyone have experience on these issues raised. Archimedes Plutonium, whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies |
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Plants like asbestos?
Are you gonna eat that stuff ?
Not me. "Archimedes Plutonium" wrote in message ... I am now running a test on whether plants with fiberglass in their soil grow better than those without. I figure the fiberglass allows more air to the root system than the pure clay soils. Also, many years ago I observed raspberry plants and they seem to like trashy garbaged soil rather than normal soil. They even liked asphalt shingles in the soil rather than normal soil. Has anyone made a test on why some plants like petroleum products such as asphalt shingles near to them? Archimedes Plutonium, whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies |
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Plants like asbestos?
"Matilda Zuckerman" wrote in message et... Are you gonna eat that stuff ? Not me. "Archimedes Plutonium" wrote in message ... I am now running a test on whether plants with fiberglass in their soil grow better than those without. I figure the fiberglass allows more air to the root system than the pure clay soils. Also, many years ago I observed raspberry plants and they seem to like trashy garbaged soil rather than normal soil. They even liked asphalt shingles in the soil rather than normal soil. Has anyone made a test on why some plants like petroleum products such as asphalt shingles near to them? I have raised crops next to oil well were oil was spilled on the groud. It takes about 5 years for the bactera to break it down to the point you can't tell were it was. Salt water spills are another thing altogeater. In sandy soil it takes a long time to wash it out of the soil and clay soils it takes longer than my lifetime. Asphalt shingles wouldn't have much effect on soil. Asphalt has been sprayed on soil to control weeds and to warm up soil causing it to warm up about a week earlier in the spring. It is not cost effective in the 50's and it wouldn't be environmentally acceptable today. Gordon Couger Stillwater, OK www.couger.com/gcouger |
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