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The following article comes from a Wichita newspaper, with the title
mentioning Martha Stewart. What do you growers out there think of these suggestions, meant for beginners? I myself am having a terrible time with L. pumila. #*§%$!!! Mini orchids for different conditions Make sure to select a plant that can grow easily in an environment you'll be able to create and maintain. Keep in mind that you may have to experiment with different locations to achieve the right light-and-temperature combination. Here are some guidelines: • Heat lovers Miniature warm-climate orchids, such as the white-flowered Aerangis distincta (native to central Africa), welcome summer daytime temperatures as high as 90 degrees Fahrenheit, with nights that dip down 10 to 15 degrees. Their maximum winter daytime high is 80 degrees, with the same nighttime dip. Others in this group include the Brazilian Leptotes bicolor, with its twice-yearly white-and-fuchsia blooms; the fragrant Aerangis citrata from Madagascar; the yellow-blooming Polystachya bella from Kenya; and the Colombian Masdevallia herradurae, which has dark-red flowers. • The in-betweens Intermediate-climate growers, such as the Philippine Dendrobium gonzalesii, with its purple-tinged flower clusters, favor a similar day-to-night 10- to 15-degree drop, with winter days around 75 degrees and summers only slightly warmer. Scented Laelia pumila, a Brazilian with yellow-throated lavender blooms, is also in this bunch, along with Epidendrum porpax, a 3-inch-tall dainty from Central America; the even smaller Pleurothallis ornata, a native of Mexico with fringed flowers; and Masdevallia infracta, which hails from Brazil and produces lavender to copper blooms every season. • Cool customers The cool miniature-orchid group, which includes the Peruvian Cochlioda densiflora, with its sprays of flaming blooms, prefers a daytime winter range of 60 to 65 degrees and a summer daytime range of 80 to 85 degrees, both with a 10- to 15-degree decline at night. Also included in this group are Encyclia mariae from Mexico, a 5-inch-tall plant with green flowers nearly as wide; the pink-blooming Masdevallia uniflora from Peru; and Brazilian Sophronitis coccinea, whose fiery-red blooms may keep growing after they open. -- Reka This is LIFE! It's not a rehearsal. Don't miss it! http://www.rolbox.it/hukari/index.html Reclaim Your Inbox! http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/ Rediscover the Web! http://www.mozilla-europe.org/en/products/firefox/ They're free! |
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Reka,
What I have trouble with is this articles focus on temperature only. Even though it briefly mentions light, the plants are not organized by light levels. Then there is the fact that they mention specific species rather than genera and only one species per genus. Several of these are not ones that I have generally encountered before as beginners orchids, making me suspect that they are probably not best for beginners after all, or are they? Finally, unless this is different where the author of this article lives, these are not the orchids most often found in retail around here. And it seems quixotic to recommend to beginners that they seek out first some orchid that they need to mail order rather than starting with a plant that they can see in a store. A weird article indeed. Joanna "Reka" wrote in message ... The following article comes from a Wichita newspaper, with the title mentioning Martha Stewart. What do you growers out there think of these suggestions, meant for beginners? I myself am having a terrible time with L. pumila. #*§%$!!! Mini orchids for different conditions Make sure to select a plant that can grow easily in an environment you'll be able to create and maintain. Keep in mind that you may have to experiment with different locations to achieve the right light-and-temperature combination. Here are some guidelines: • Heat lovers Miniature warm-climate orchids, such as the white-flowered Aerangis distincta (native to central Africa), welcome summer daytime temperatures as high as 90 degrees Fahrenheit, with nights that dip down 10 to 15 degrees. Their maximum winter daytime high is 80 degrees, with the same nighttime dip. Others in this group include the Brazilian Leptotes bicolor, with its twice-yearly white-and-fuchsia blooms; the fragrant Aerangis citrata from Madagascar; the yellow-blooming Polystachya bella from Kenya; and the Colombian Masdevallia herradurae, which has dark-red flowers. • The in-betweens Intermediate-climate growers, such as the Philippine Dendrobium gonzalesii, with its purple-tinged flower clusters, favor a similar day-to-night 10- to 15-degree drop, with winter days around 75 degrees and summers only slightly warmer. Scented Laelia pumila, a Brazilian with yellow-throated lavender blooms, is also in this bunch, along with Epidendrum porpax, a 3-inch-tall dainty from Central America; the even smaller Pleurothallis ornata, a native of Mexico with fringed flowers; and Masdevallia infracta, which hails from Brazil and produces lavender to copper blooms every season. • Cool customers The cool miniature-orchid group, which includes the Peruvian Cochlioda densiflora, with its sprays of flaming blooms, prefers a daytime winter range of 60 to 65 degrees and a summer daytime range of 80 to 85 degrees, both with a 10- to 15-degree decline at night. Also included in this group are Encyclia mariae from Mexico, a 5-inch-tall plant with green flowers nearly as wide; the pink-blooming Masdevallia uniflora from Peru; and Brazilian Sophronitis coccinea, whose fiery-red blooms may keep growing after they open. -- Reka This is LIFE! It's not a rehearsal. Don't miss it! http://www.rolbox.it/hukari/index.html Reclaim Your Inbox! http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/ Rediscover the Web! http://www.mozilla-europe.org/en/products/firefox/ They're free! |
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On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 13:52:36 GMT, "J Fortuna"
wrote: Reka, What I have trouble with is this articles focus on temperature only. Even though it briefly mentions light, the plants are not organized by light levels. Then there is the fact that they mention specific species rather than genera and only one species per genus. Several of these are not ones that I have generally encountered before as beginners orchids, making me suspect that they are probably not best for beginners after all, or are they? Finally, unless this is different where the author of this article lives, these are not the orchids most often found in retail around here. And it seems quixotic to recommend to beginners that they seek out first some orchid that they need to mail order rather than starting with a plant that they can see in a store. A weird article indeed. Joanna I have trouble keeping a couple of these due to the fact that they prefer mounts.. not a beginner's territory. And the article does not mention planting style at all. SuE http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php |
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On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 13:52:36 GMT, "J Fortuna"
wrote: Reka, What I have trouble with is this articles focus on temperature only. Even though it briefly mentions light, the plants are not organized by light levels. Then there is the fact that they mention specific species rather than genera and only one species per genus. Several of these are not ones that I have generally encountered before as beginners orchids, making me suspect that they are probably not best for beginners after all, or are they? Finally, unless this is different where the author of this article lives, these are not the orchids most often found in retail around here. And it seems quixotic to recommend to beginners that they seek out first some orchid that they need to mail order rather than starting with a plant that they can see in a store. A weird article indeed. Joanna I have trouble keeping a couple of these due to the fact that they prefer mounts.. not a beginner's territory. And the article does not mention planting style at all. SuE http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php |
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On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 13:52:36 GMT, "J Fortuna"
wrote: Reka, What I have trouble with is this articles focus on temperature only. Even though it briefly mentions light, the plants are not organized by light levels. Then there is the fact that they mention specific species rather than genera and only one species per genus. Several of these are not ones that I have generally encountered before as beginners orchids, making me suspect that they are probably not best for beginners after all, or are they? Finally, unless this is different where the author of this article lives, these are not the orchids most often found in retail around here. And it seems quixotic to recommend to beginners that they seek out first some orchid that they need to mail order rather than starting with a plant that they can see in a store. A weird article indeed. Joanna I have trouble keeping a couple of these due to the fact that they prefer mounts.. not a beginner's territory. And the article does not mention planting style at all. SuE http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php |
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Hi Reka,
The list just goes to prove a point, that if you have the right conditions the orchids will grow. eg., I killed Enc. mariae!! (Didn't know it was a cool grower?) About your Laelia pumila, I have a seedling, have read where they like to me mounted but if not, the key is in the potting mix. Need to dry out between waterings, so use small rocks or stones as the main ingredient. When mine is ready to repot, I will probably use pumice, charcoal with very little bark. -- Cheers Wendy Remove PETERPAN for email reply Reka wrote: The following article comes from a Wichita newspaper, with the title mentioning Martha Stewart. What do you growers out there think of these suggestions, meant for beginners? I myself am having a terrible time with L. pumila. #*§%$!!! Mini orchids for different conditions Make sure to select a plant that can grow easily in an environment you'll be able to create and maintain. Keep in mind that you may have to experiment with different locations to achieve the right light-and-temperature combination. Here are some guidelines: • Heat lovers Miniature warm-climate orchids, such as the white-flowered Aerangis distincta (native to central Africa), welcome summer daytime temperatures as high as 90 degrees Fahrenheit, with nights that dip down 10 to 15 degrees. Their maximum winter daytime high is 80 degrees, with the same nighttime dip. Others in this group include the Brazilian Leptotes bicolor, with its twice-yearly white-and-fuchsia blooms; the fragrant Aerangis citrata from Madagascar; the yellow-blooming Polystachya bella from Kenya; and the Colombian Masdevallia herradurae, which has dark-red flowers. • The in-betweens Intermediate-climate growers, such as the Philippine Dendrobium gonzalesii, with its purple-tinged flower clusters, favor a similar day-to-night 10- to 15-degree drop, with winter days around 75 degrees and summers only slightly warmer. Scented Laelia pumila, a Brazilian with yellow-throated lavender blooms, is also in this bunch, along with Epidendrum porpax, a 3-inch-tall dainty from Central America; the even smaller Pleurothallis ornata, a native of Mexico with fringed flowers; and Masdevallia infracta, which hails from Brazil and produces lavender to copper blooms every season. • Cool customers The cool miniature-orchid group, which includes the Peruvian Cochlioda densiflora, with its sprays of flaming blooms, prefers a daytime winter range of 60 to 65 degrees and a summer daytime range of 80 to 85 degrees, both with a 10- to 15-degree decline at night. Also included in this group are Encyclia mariae from Mexico, a 5-inch-tall plant with green flowers nearly as wide; the pink-blooming Masdevallia uniflora from Peru; and Brazilian Sophronitis coccinea, whose fiery-red blooms may keep growing after they open. |
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Hi Reka,
The list just goes to prove a point, that if you have the right conditions the orchids will grow. eg., I killed Enc. mariae!! (Didn't know it was a cool grower?) About your Laelia pumila, I have a seedling, have read where they like to me mounted but if not, the key is in the potting mix. Need to dry out between waterings, so use small rocks or stones as the main ingredient. When mine is ready to repot, I will probably use pumice, charcoal with very little bark. -- Cheers Wendy Remove PETERPAN for email reply Reka wrote: The following article comes from a Wichita newspaper, with the title mentioning Martha Stewart. What do you growers out there think of these suggestions, meant for beginners? I myself am having a terrible time with L. pumila. #*§%$!!! Mini orchids for different conditions Make sure to select a plant that can grow easily in an environment you'll be able to create and maintain. Keep in mind that you may have to experiment with different locations to achieve the right light-and-temperature combination. Here are some guidelines: • Heat lovers Miniature warm-climate orchids, such as the white-flowered Aerangis distincta (native to central Africa), welcome summer daytime temperatures as high as 90 degrees Fahrenheit, with nights that dip down 10 to 15 degrees. Their maximum winter daytime high is 80 degrees, with the same nighttime dip. Others in this group include the Brazilian Leptotes bicolor, with its twice-yearly white-and-fuchsia blooms; the fragrant Aerangis citrata from Madagascar; the yellow-blooming Polystachya bella from Kenya; and the Colombian Masdevallia herradurae, which has dark-red flowers. • The in-betweens Intermediate-climate growers, such as the Philippine Dendrobium gonzalesii, with its purple-tinged flower clusters, favor a similar day-to-night 10- to 15-degree drop, with winter days around 75 degrees and summers only slightly warmer. Scented Laelia pumila, a Brazilian with yellow-throated lavender blooms, is also in this bunch, along with Epidendrum porpax, a 3-inch-tall dainty from Central America; the even smaller Pleurothallis ornata, a native of Mexico with fringed flowers; and Masdevallia infracta, which hails from Brazil and produces lavender to copper blooms every season. • Cool customers The cool miniature-orchid group, which includes the Peruvian Cochlioda densiflora, with its sprays of flaming blooms, prefers a daytime winter range of 60 to 65 degrees and a summer daytime range of 80 to 85 degrees, both with a 10- to 15-degree decline at night. Also included in this group are Encyclia mariae from Mexico, a 5-inch-tall plant with green flowers nearly as wide; the pink-blooming Masdevallia uniflora from Peru; and Brazilian Sophronitis coccinea, whose fiery-red blooms may keep growing after they open. |
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On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 10:19:06 +0100, Reka
wrote: The following article comes from a Wichita newspaper, with the title mentioning Martha Stewart. What do you growers out there think of these suggestions, meant for beginners? I myself am having a terrible time with L. pumila. #*§%$!!! This strikes me as not an article that would be helpful to beginners, but one in which the author is trying to show off how much they know when he /she really doesn't know much. Much too much focus on temperature while ignoring other culture issues which are more important for the beginner who is probably going to be growing inside anyway. Recommending species, especially individual species, is also a poor idea. Not only are they harder to acquire, they are also often less forgiving than hybrids. Beginners really need culture info for the commonly available mass market orchids - den, phal, oncidium, and paph hybrids. Yes, such articles are mundane and I'm sure the author didn't want to write yet another such article, but I think any beginner who purchased the orchids mention here would be disillusioned pretty quickly. They just aren't beginner orchids. deg |
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On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 10:19:06 +0100, Reka
wrote: The following article comes from a Wichita newspaper, with the title mentioning Martha Stewart. What do you growers out there think of these suggestions, meant for beginners? I myself am having a terrible time with L. pumila. #*§%$!!! This strikes me as not an article that would be helpful to beginners, but one in which the author is trying to show off how much they know when he /she really doesn't know much. Much too much focus on temperature while ignoring other culture issues which are more important for the beginner who is probably going to be growing inside anyway. Recommending species, especially individual species, is also a poor idea. Not only are they harder to acquire, they are also often less forgiving than hybrids. Beginners really need culture info for the commonly available mass market orchids - den, phal, oncidium, and paph hybrids. Yes, such articles are mundane and I'm sure the author didn't want to write yet another such article, but I think any beginner who purchased the orchids mention here would be disillusioned pretty quickly. They just aren't beginner orchids. deg |
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On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 10:19:06 +0100, Reka
wrote: The following article comes from a Wichita newspaper, with the title mentioning Martha Stewart. What do you growers out there think of these suggestions, meant for beginners? I myself am having a terrible time with L. pumila. #*§%$!!! This strikes me as not an article that would be helpful to beginners, but one in which the author is trying to show off how much they know when he /she really doesn't know much. Much too much focus on temperature while ignoring other culture issues which are more important for the beginner who is probably going to be growing inside anyway. Recommending species, especially individual species, is also a poor idea. Not only are they harder to acquire, they are also often less forgiving than hybrids. Beginners really need culture info for the commonly available mass market orchids - den, phal, oncidium, and paph hybrids. Yes, such articles are mundane and I'm sure the author didn't want to write yet another such article, but I think any beginner who purchased the orchids mention here would be disillusioned pretty quickly. They just aren't beginner orchids. deg |
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Reka wrote:
Here is the first part of the article, then my original post at the bottom. Actually, I thought the care part was pretty good for a nutshell version: Bring beauty to your home with miniature orchids Martha Stewart Living Magazine BY MARGARET ROACH Editor-in-Chief Brighten your home this winter with a display of miniature orchids. These dainty flowers are no taller than 6 inches, excluding their blooms. But those blooms can have some compelling details: lavishly fringed, scalloped or whiskered petals; striped and splashy patterns; and brilliant marriages of color, such as red and orange or lilac and shocking pink. Based on their origins, orchids are categorized as cool, warm or intermediate-climate growers. These classifications can help you decide which ones to put where -- whether on an unheated porch or in a toasty living room. Many cultivated orchids are epiphytes that grow on trees, often in chilly, high-elevation habitats such as the Andes mountains. Some come from hotter subtropical spots, others from climates in between. Among the best mini orchid houseplants are those that tolerate a range of temperatures, such as tiny cattleyas, dendrobiums and paphiopedilums. Miniature orchids require care similar to that of larger orchids -- except that they need to be watered more often because they are pint-size and housed in smaller pots. However, because these beauties are so petite, you can squeeze in more of them and have a fine collection to line your windowsills or fill a terrarium. Caring for mini orchids Almost all orchids fare well with a free-draining, well-aerated planting mix -- such as chipped fir bark, tree fern or both, with added perlite, sphagnum or both to improve aeration and water retention. To discourage fungal diseases, water plants early in the day to ensure that the leaves dry before dark. Let pots drain completely before replacing them in their accustomed spots. Then wait until the mix feels dry to water them again (especially those orchids that have thickened stems, called pseudobulbs). Fertilize every two to three weeks with a balanced, all-purpose plant food, unless orchids are in a bark-only mix. In that case, choose a formula containing added nitrogen (sometimes sold as "orchid food"). To boost humidity, which orchids need, set pots atop a bed of pebbles in water-filled trays or place them in a terrarium. If you group several of them, consider using a fan to circulate the air, reducing the potential for fungal problems. Begin with healthy, pest-free plants and position them away from intense sun, drafty wintertime windows, radiators and other sources of extreme heat or cold. Then watch closely year-round -- particularly from late winter to early spring -- for their sweet blooms. The following article comes from a Wichita newspaper, with the title mentioning Martha Stewart. What do you growers out there think of these suggestions, meant for beginners? I myself am having a terrible time with L. pumila. #*§%$!!! Mini orchids for different conditions Make sure to select a plant that can grow easily in an environment you'll be able to create and maintain. Keep in mind that you may have to experiment with different locations to achieve the right light-and-temperature combination. Here are some guidelines: • Heat lovers Miniature warm-climate orchids, such as the white-flowered Aerangis distincta (native to central Africa), welcome summer daytime temperatures as high as 90 degrees Fahrenheit, with nights that dip down 10 to 15 degrees. Their maximum winter daytime high is 80 degrees, with the same nighttime dip. Others in this group include the Brazilian Leptotes bicolor, with its twice-yearly white-and-fuchsia blooms; the fragrant Aerangis citrata from Madagascar; the yellow-blooming Polystachya bella from Kenya; and the Colombian Masdevallia herradurae, which has dark-red flowers. • The in-betweens Intermediate-climate growers, such as the Philippine Dendrobium gonzalesii, with its purple-tinged flower clusters, favor a similar day-to-night 10- to 15-degree drop, with winter days around 75 degrees and summers only slightly warmer. Scented Laelia pumila, a Brazilian with yellow-throated lavender blooms, is also in this bunch, along with Epidendrum porpax, a 3-inch-tall dainty from Central America; the even smaller Pleurothallis ornata, a native of Mexico with fringed flowers; and Masdevallia infracta, which hails from Brazil and produces lavender to copper blooms every season. • Cool customers The cool miniature-orchid group, which includes the Peruvian Cochlioda densiflora, with its sprays of flaming blooms, prefers a daytime winter range of 60 to 65 degrees and a summer daytime range of 80 to 85 degrees, both with a 10- to 15-degree decline at night. Also included in this group are Encyclia mariae from Mexico, a 5-inch-tall plant with green flowers nearly as wide; the pink-blooming Masdevallia uniflora from Peru; and Brazilian Sophronitis coccinea, whose fiery-red blooms may keep growing after they open. -- Reka This is LIFE! It's not a rehearsal. Don't miss it! http://www.rolbox.it/hukari/index.html Reclaim Your Inbox! http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/ Rediscover the Web! http://www.mozilla-europe.org/en/products/firefox/ They're free! |
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Reka wrote:
Here is the first part of the article, then my original post at the bottom. Actually, I thought the care part was pretty good for a nutshell version: Bring beauty to your home with miniature orchids Martha Stewart Living Magazine BY MARGARET ROACH Editor-in-Chief Brighten your home this winter with a display of miniature orchids. These dainty flowers are no taller than 6 inches, excluding their blooms. But those blooms can have some compelling details: lavishly fringed, scalloped or whiskered petals; striped and splashy patterns; and brilliant marriages of color, such as red and orange or lilac and shocking pink. Based on their origins, orchids are categorized as cool, warm or intermediate-climate growers. These classifications can help you decide which ones to put where -- whether on an unheated porch or in a toasty living room. Many cultivated orchids are epiphytes that grow on trees, often in chilly, high-elevation habitats such as the Andes mountains. Some come from hotter subtropical spots, others from climates in between. Among the best mini orchid houseplants are those that tolerate a range of temperatures, such as tiny cattleyas, dendrobiums and paphiopedilums. Miniature orchids require care similar to that of larger orchids -- except that they need to be watered more often because they are pint-size and housed in smaller pots. However, because these beauties are so petite, you can squeeze in more of them and have a fine collection to line your windowsills or fill a terrarium. Caring for mini orchids Almost all orchids fare well with a free-draining, well-aerated planting mix -- such as chipped fir bark, tree fern or both, with added perlite, sphagnum or both to improve aeration and water retention. To discourage fungal diseases, water plants early in the day to ensure that the leaves dry before dark. Let pots drain completely before replacing them in their accustomed spots. Then wait until the mix feels dry to water them again (especially those orchids that have thickened stems, called pseudobulbs). Fertilize every two to three weeks with a balanced, all-purpose plant food, unless orchids are in a bark-only mix. In that case, choose a formula containing added nitrogen (sometimes sold as "orchid food"). To boost humidity, which orchids need, set pots atop a bed of pebbles in water-filled trays or place them in a terrarium. If you group several of them, consider using a fan to circulate the air, reducing the potential for fungal problems. Begin with healthy, pest-free plants and position them away from intense sun, drafty wintertime windows, radiators and other sources of extreme heat or cold. Then watch closely year-round -- particularly from late winter to early spring -- for their sweet blooms. The following article comes from a Wichita newspaper, with the title mentioning Martha Stewart. What do you growers out there think of these suggestions, meant for beginners? I myself am having a terrible time with L. pumila. #*§%$!!! Mini orchids for different conditions Make sure to select a plant that can grow easily in an environment you'll be able to create and maintain. Keep in mind that you may have to experiment with different locations to achieve the right light-and-temperature combination. Here are some guidelines: • Heat lovers Miniature warm-climate orchids, such as the white-flowered Aerangis distincta (native to central Africa), welcome summer daytime temperatures as high as 90 degrees Fahrenheit, with nights that dip down 10 to 15 degrees. Their maximum winter daytime high is 80 degrees, with the same nighttime dip. Others in this group include the Brazilian Leptotes bicolor, with its twice-yearly white-and-fuchsia blooms; the fragrant Aerangis citrata from Madagascar; the yellow-blooming Polystachya bella from Kenya; and the Colombian Masdevallia herradurae, which has dark-red flowers. • The in-betweens Intermediate-climate growers, such as the Philippine Dendrobium gonzalesii, with its purple-tinged flower clusters, favor a similar day-to-night 10- to 15-degree drop, with winter days around 75 degrees and summers only slightly warmer. Scented Laelia pumila, a Brazilian with yellow-throated lavender blooms, is also in this bunch, along with Epidendrum porpax, a 3-inch-tall dainty from Central America; the even smaller Pleurothallis ornata, a native of Mexico with fringed flowers; and Masdevallia infracta, which hails from Brazil and produces lavender to copper blooms every season. • Cool customers The cool miniature-orchid group, which includes the Peruvian Cochlioda densiflora, with its sprays of flaming blooms, prefers a daytime winter range of 60 to 65 degrees and a summer daytime range of 80 to 85 degrees, both with a 10- to 15-degree decline at night. Also included in this group are Encyclia mariae from Mexico, a 5-inch-tall plant with green flowers nearly as wide; the pink-blooming Masdevallia uniflora from Peru; and Brazilian Sophronitis coccinea, whose fiery-red blooms may keep growing after they open. -- Reka This is LIFE! It's not a rehearsal. Don't miss it! http://www.rolbox.it/hukari/index.html Reclaim Your Inbox! http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/ Rediscover the Web! http://www.mozilla-europe.org/en/products/firefox/ They're free! |
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I'm surprised Ms Stewart hasn't done an update on growing orchids in
confinement. J. Del Col |
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I'm surprised Ms Stewart hasn't done an update on growing orchids in
confinement. J. Del Col |
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jadel wrote:
I'm surprised Ms Stewart hasn't done an update on growing orchids in confinement. J. Del Col She probably doesn't have enough light in her cell. -- Reka This is LIFE! It's not a rehearsal. Don't miss it! http://www.rolbox.it/hukari/index.html Reclaim Your Inbox! http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/ Rediscover the Web! http://www.mozilla-europe.org/en/products/firefox/ They're free! |
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