I spotted this on one of my orchids while watering them and was wondering
what it was. Could this be a burn mark from watewr sitting on the leaf in
the sun? I did spray with Safer brand inseciticidal soap last week at the
end of the day. Maybe I put it back in the window to soon? I looked in the
Ortho books and could not find anything similar.

http://katkom01.home.comcast.net/leafgall4.jpg3
http://katkom01.home.comcast.net/leafgall2.jpg

Can't say I've ever seen anything quite like it. Looks like a bacterial infection, but the rest of the leaf is virtually dead anyway.

Weng

Take it back to Wal-Mart and see what they suggest.

"Bruce Musgrove" wrote in message
news
I spotted this on one of my orchids while watering them and was wondering
what it was. Could this be a burn mark from watewr sitting on the leaf in
the sun? I did spray with Safer brand inseciticidal soap last week at the
end of the day. Maybe I put it back in the window to soon? I looked in
the Ortho books and could not find anything similar.

http://katkom01.home.comcast.net/leafgall4.jpg3
http://katkom01.home.comcast.net/leafgall2.jpg

Ha! Good one!

K Barrett

"Pat Brennan" wrote in message
...
Take it back to Wal-Mart and see what they suggest.

"Bruce Musgrove" wrote in message
news
I spotted this on one of my orchids while watering them and was wondering
what it was. Could this be a burn mark from watewr sitting on the leaf in
the sun? I did spray with Safer brand inseciticidal soap last week at the
end of the day. Maybe I put it back in the window to soon? I looked in
the Ortho books and could not find anything similar.

http://katkom01.home.comcast.net/leafgall4.jpg3
http://katkom01.home.comcast.net/leafgall2.jpg

Bruce Musgrove wrote:
I spotted this on one of my orchids while watering them and was wondering
what it was.

First, it is a dead leaf. No seriously, cut it off as close to the
plant as you can. If it is infecting the plant you want to remove it
with a quickness to keep it from the heart of the plant. A small pin
hole or crack in the leaf can absorb and transport the chemical
treatment. It looked as if the plant tried to seal off the damaged
area, but failed. If it (the plant) perceives it as a threat, it will
abort the entire leaf. How long have you had this orchid? If it was a
recent acquisition there may have been some physical damage that you
were unaware. Plants from department stores and resellers get handled
a lot, often by people that don't know or care.

Could this be a burn mark from water sitting on the leaf in
the sun?

Probably. When the leaves fall in my area, it changes the light
intensity through the sunny windows. A drop of water, in this case oil
from the soap will scald the leaves because it acts like a lens and
concentrates the light more. When the water evaporates it will leave a
drop of the pure soap. It will also conduct heat and cold more.

I did spray with Safer brand inseciticidal soap last week at the
end of the day. Maybe I put it back in the window to soon?

Why? Did you have an infestation? If so what was the pest?

You really have to watch oil based products when spraying. Some
products shouldn't be used on orchids at all, or used at a reduced
concentration. Even pure neem recommends a balance of detergent in the
mix to keep the oil in solution. Keep it stirred or shake the sprayer
to prevent it from separating. Don't spray all the way to the bottom
of the bottle. If it separates, there is too high a concentration at
the bottom of the sprayer. That applies to poorly dissolved plant food
that settles.

I looked in the Ortho books and could not find anything similar.

Ortho is selling chemicals. They won't show damage caused by improper
use. Not to say you didn't follow the instructions and have good
intentions, just that their products may not be tested on or
recommended for orchids, maybe that particular orchid was more
sensitive than your others, or the concentration changed as you
sprayed.

Honestly, if you can find an orchid society in your area, you may want
to do so. They can be a lot of fun and an amazing source of
information. Keep in mind, they aren't A.A. They are enablers,
everyone will have something different, and you will want more for
yourself. If the members can agree on an order, the group discounts
from growers' catalogs can be a benefit plus the larger the order the
more balanced the cost of shipping.

Orchids at box stores get handled a lot. They are packed, shipped,
distributed, shipped again. Unpacked and put on shelves with other
tropicals or outside in garden departments. Employees and customers
handle them. They may be inappropriately potted and incorrectly
watered. The staff may or may not be knowledgeable, more than likely
not. You have to look at the plant carefully, not just the blooms. It
may take years for a Catt, Onc, or Den to "outgrow" the damage. Phals,
because of their monopodial growth may NEVER recover.

However most of the purchases are impulse. Why did you buy it,
"Because it was there, pretty, and I had $15, or it was marked down
because the blooms had faded, the plant looked healthy, and I have
time." Been there, done that, and sometimes still do it. Everyone
starts someplace.

Best wishes, Happy growing

I realize I am a amateur but....

The plant is in good condition and had just finished dropping its last
flower about 3 weeks before . It has new growth appearing at the base and
appears to be healthy except for the one leaf. This one leaf was closest
to the windows, and was removed from the plant ( I have learned a few
things!). I am mainly curious if anyone else had seen something similar. I
was fairly sure it was the insecticidal soap burning it just as water drops
do on a car's paint, BUT I could have been wrong and may have the Orchid
version of a Ebola Virus. I regularly see rings like this on other plants
(mainly trees and shrubbery)around here from insect damage. I did not know
if orchids had similar problems.

The plants (yes, all of them) were sprayed because of a spider mite
infestation on a cattleya. Repeated hosing of the plants while watering
them was keeping the infestation down but not stopping it. After it spread
to two more plants, I decided to take other measures.

I do have two good orchid societies here. Greater North Texas orchid society
( http://www.gntos.org/ )and Forth Worth Orchid society
http://www.fworchidsociety.com/. Unfortunately for me , there meeting places
are over 30 miles from me, and commitments with my children makes it
impossible for me to go to their meetings. I hate that as one of them
actually has a very good County Extension agent who raises and sells
orchids (http://www.dandborchids.com/) The children have almost lost out on
that one, but they must always come first (the human children that is)!

I do check them carefully before buying. I apply the same rules as I do for
my garden plants. Is the planting medium in good shape? Does the medium
smell rotten or clean and fresh? Are the leaves a healthy consistent green?
no insect damage? yellow mottling? Fungal spot? Do the pseudobulbs look
healthy? Any new growth / roots? Do the flowers look healthy and not wilted?
Are the flower colors consistent between blooms? That may not be the
perfect formula for buying, but it has worked good so far. The box stores
definitely do not handle them well and I have taken many to the manger and
pointed out the issues with not only orchids , but other plants in the
tropical area. On the other hands, get there soon after arrival, and they do
not have long to do any damage!


"Nancy G." wrote in message
oups.com...
Bruce Musgrove wrote:
I spotted this on one of my orchids while watering them and was wondering
what it was.

First, it is a dead leaf. No seriously, cut it off as close to the
plant as you can. If it is infecting the plant you want to remove it
with a quickness to keep it from the heart of the plant. A small pin
hole or crack in the leaf can absorb and transport the chemical
treatment. It looked as if the plant tried to seal off the damaged
area, but failed. If it (the plant) perceives it as a threat, it will
abort the entire leaf. How long have you had this orchid? If it was a
recent acquisition there may have been some physical damage that you
were unaware. Plants from department stores and resellers get handled
a lot, often by people that don't know or care.

Could this be a burn mark from water sitting on the leaf in
the sun?

Probably. When the leaves fall in my area, it changes the light
intensity through the sunny windows. A drop of water, in this case oil
from the soap will scald the leaves because it acts like a lens and
concentrates the light more. When the water evaporates it will leave a
drop of the pure soap. It will also conduct heat and cold more.

I did spray with Safer brand inseciticidal soap last week at the
end of the day. Maybe I put it back in the window to soon?

Why? Did you have an infestation? If so what was the pest?

You really have to watch oil based products when spraying. Some
products shouldn't be used on orchids at all, or used at a reduced
concentration. Even pure neem recommends a balance of detergent in the
mix to keep the oil in solution. Keep it stirred or shake the sprayer
to prevent it from separating. Don't spray all the way to the bottom
of the bottle. If it separates, there is too high a concentration at
the bottom of the sprayer. That applies to poorly dissolved plant food
that settles.

I looked in the Ortho books and could not find anything similar.

Ortho is selling chemicals. They won't show damage caused by improper
use. Not to say you didn't follow the instructions and have good
intentions, just that their products may not be tested on or
recommended for orchids, maybe that particular orchid was more
sensitive than your others, or the concentration changed as you
sprayed.

Honestly, if you can find an orchid society in your area, you may want
to do so. They can be a lot of fun and an amazing source of
information. Keep in mind, they aren't A.A. They are enablers,
everyone will have something different, and you will want more for
yourself. If the members can agree on an order, the group discounts
from growers' catalogs can be a benefit plus the larger the order the
more balanced the cost of shipping.

Orchids at box stores get handled a lot. They are packed, shipped,
distributed, shipped again. Unpacked and put on shelves with other
tropicals or outside in garden departments. Employees and customers
handle them. They may be inappropriately potted and incorrectly
watered. The staff may or may not be knowledgeable, more than likely
not. You have to look at the plant carefully, not just the blooms. It
may take years for a Catt, Onc, or Den to "outgrow" the damage. Phals,
because of their monopodial growth may NEVER recover.

However most of the purchases are impulse. Why did you buy it,
"Because it was there, pretty, and I had $15, or it was marked down
because the blooms had faded, the plant looked healthy, and I have
time." Been there, done that, and sometimes still do it. Everyone
starts someplace.

Best wishes, Happy growing

Nancy G. wrote:
Bruce Musgrove wrote:
Could this be a burn mark from water sitting on the leaf in
the sun?


Probably. When the leaves fall in my area, it changes the light
intensity through the sunny windows. A drop of water, in this case oil
from the soap will scald the leaves because it acts like a lens and
concentrates the light more..................

I have never believed that this happens, at least not with water. I
don't believe the part of a leaf under a drop of water can possibly get
hotter than the adjacent areas. Sort of an urban legend. Perhaps a
suburban legend, in this case, since I have seen the same reasoning in
reference to watering lawns while the sun is shining. (There may be
other good reasons to avoid watering lawns while the sun is shining, but
I don't believe in the lens theory.)

Steve
PS Nancy, your other advice is great and I always appreciate your in
depth answers.

Bruce Musgrove wrote:
I realize I am a amateur but....


Okay, I was a little miffed because someone slammed Walmart and someone
else cheered. You sound like you have a good grip on things. Sorry if
you feel I talked down to you.

Amateur here, too.

Nancy, before you get "miffed".

Pat is a vendor who sells orchids and takes enomous amounts of time with his
clients to be sure they understand how to grow their orchids.

Walmart does not.

Now who will answer questions when Walmart forces vendors like Pat out of
business?

Hence the 'go ask Walmart' comment and the agreement with his opinion.

Buy orchids from local vendors.

Now let's get back to orchids and stop this petty crap about being miffed.

K Barrett

"Nancy G." wrote in message
ups.com...

Bruce Musgrove wrote:
I realize I am a amateur but....


Okay, I was a little miffed because someone slammed Walmart and someone
else cheered. You sound like you have a good grip on things. Sorry if
you feel I talked down to you.

Amateur here, too.

Bruce: the photo looks like a fungal or bacterial infection to me, cutting
it off was a good move. A spray with a broad spectrum
fungicide/bactericide, such as Physan or RD-20, would be a good followup if
you are concerned about preventing spread to other plants.

Kenni


"Bruce Musgrove" wrote in message
news
I spotted this on one of my orchids while watering them and was wondering
what it was. Could this be a burn mark from watewr sitting on the leaf in
the sun? I did spray with Safer brand inseciticidal soap last week at the
end of the day. Maybe I put it back in the window to soon? I looked in
the Ortho books and could not find anything similar.

http://katkom01.home.comcast.net/leafgall4.jpg3
http://katkom01.home.comcast.net/leafgall2.jpg

"Nancy G." wrote in message
ups.com...

Who "slammed" Walmart? I missed it -- unless you're referring to Pat's
suggestion, which I found perfectly appropriate. Where else, besides the
seller, should you first take questions or problems about any product you've
purchased??? Kenni

Okay, I was a little miffed because someone slammed Walmart and someone
else cheered.

K Barrett wrote:
Nancy, before you get "miffed".

Pat is a vendor who sells orchids and takes enomous amounts of time with his
clients to be sure they understand how to grow their orchids.

Walmart does not.

Now who will answer questions when Walmart forces vendors like Pat out of
business?

Hence the 'go ask Walmart' comment and the agreement with his opinion.

Buy orchids from local vendors.

Now let's get back to orchids and stop this petty crap about being miffed.

K Barrett

"Nancy G." wrote in message
ups.com...

Bruce Musgrove wrote:
I realize I am a amateur but....


Okay, I was a little miffed because someone slammed Walmart and someone
else cheered. You sound like you have a good grip on things. Sorry if
you feel I talked down to you.

Amateur here, too.


Hi K, Kenni et al, Amen to K saying "buy from local growers" none of
the "Big Box" people care about orchids or can help with growing or
problems associated with the plants. They are only interested in
undercutting the local growers prices. There are a lot of "so called
growers" who do the same thing. They are not growers they are brokers.
They buy plants & sell them below market prices as they have to "get
rid of them". Support your local grower as--- when the "brokers" put
him / her out of business -- who will help you learn to grow??????????
Good luck, Bill

On 2 Nov 2006 14:49:59 -0800, Bill wrote:
rid of them". Support your local grower as--- when the "brokers" put
him / her out of business -- who will help you learn to grow??????????
Good luck, Bill

I have a feeling these cheap orchids may provide a hook to lure
unsuspecting folks into the dark side of collecting. I would pay
50% more for those big box plants if they just had a tag. I think
for most people they are just table flowers and disposable after
a month or so. Oh, and thank you Trader Joe's for not charging extra
for the mealy bugs.


Bob

Steve wrote:

I have never believed that this happens, at least not with water. I
don't believe the part of a leaf under a drop of water can possibly get
hotter than the adjacent areas. Sort of an urban legend. Perhaps a
suburban legend, in this case, since I have seen the same reasoning in
reference to watering lawns while the sun is shining. (There may be
other good reasons to avoid watering lawns while the sun is shining, but
I don't believe in the lens theory.)

Steve

You are right. Not necessarily a lens. I think it fools the leaf into
reacting as if it were a cloudy day because it is cooler in one spot.
The light is no less intense, thus the burn. Similar to having your
eyes dilated and not wearing some type of tinted glasses. Low light or
thin leafed plants are more susceptible.

Nancy

I don't know... maybe a usenet newsgroup dedicated to that particular item /
hobby, and full of professionals / amateurs / hobbyists willing to help
others (AKA newbies) learn ? :=)

Wasn't that intent of USENET? a virtual gathering place where users of
similar intersts could electronically share information.


"Kenni Judd" wrote in message
...

snip Where else, besides the
seller, should you first take questions or problems about any product
you've purchased??? Kenni