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I think this is a king palm (not 100% sure). Here are some photos
I just
took today to show a possible problem. Up until today I thought
this was
normal, but when I push on the tree, it sway very easily and I can
see the
trunk move at the ground. Nothing appears wet or eaten by
insects -
everything I can see and touch is hard like a normal tree.

Anyway, anyone who can share some info about this tree - is this
normal or
not, etc - would be very much appreciated.

Going to work this morning I noticed a palm enroute that is very
similar to
the one in your picture. In this one, the fissures go from the
ground to
about 5-6 feet height. I still think this may be the early stages
of
ganoderma butt rot.

Info is available at http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/PP100

Included in their summary:

-- Ganoderma butt rot is caused by the fungus Ganoderma zonatum.
This fungus
degrades or rots the lower 4-5 feet of the trunk.

-- There are currently no cultural or chemical controls for
preventing the
disease or for curing the disease once the palm is infected.

-- A palm cannot be diagnosed with Ganoderma butt rot until the
basidiocarp
(conk) forms on the trunk, or the internal rotting of the trunk is
observed
after the palm is cut down.

-- Because the fungus survives in the soil, planting another palm
back in
that same location is not recommended.

Thanks, JR.

"The fungus that causes the disease is distributed throughout Florida,
from Key West to Jacksonville to Pennsacola. It is also known to occur
in Georgia and South Carolina." -- could be it I guess. I'm in Calif
though.

I've had a call in to Ag Ext for several days. I was told that
commercial ag problems get first prioirty and then home gardening
questions. They really understaffed these days.

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"Ann" wrote in message
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"Sammy bin Snoozin" expounded:

I think this is a king palm (not 100% sure). Here are some photos
I just
took today to show a possible problem. Up until today I thought
this was
normal, but when I push on the tree, it sway very easily and I
can see
the trunk move at the ground. Nothing appears wet or eaten by
insects -
everything I can see and touch is hard like a normal tree.

Anyway, anyone who can share some info about this tree - is this
normal
or not, etc - would be very much appreciated.

If you send me an email, please post to this newsgroup also as I
do not
check this account daily.

http://www.geocities.com/sammybinsnoozin/palm.html

Thanks in advance!

Sam

That tree is rotten at the base, it'll come down someday in a
strong
storm.
--
Ann, gardening in Zone 6a
South of Boston, Massachusetts
e-mail address is not checked
******************************

I thought so too 3 years ago, but it has been steadily growing -
slow, but
steady. And hard as a rock all around the base.
============================

It's been two days since you posted your message, so you've had time
to call
your cooperative extension office and ask them about the problem.
And,
today's Tuesday, so we know the office was probably open yesterday
and
today.

When you called them, what did they say about this tree?

Since you evidently know so much about what I'm doing, why don't you
tell me.

I thought you would've called the cooperative extension service by now. Do
you know who I mean, what they do, and why they might be a valuable resource
for answering your question?

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"Ann" wrote in message
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"Sammy bin Snoozin"
expounded:

I think this is a king palm (not 100% sure). Here are some
photos
I just
took today to show a possible problem. Up until today I
thought
this was
normal, but when I push on the tree, it sway very easily and I
can see
the trunk move at the ground. Nothing appears wet or eaten by
insects -
everything I can see and touch is hard like a normal tree.

Anyway, anyone who can share some info about this tree - is
this
normal
or not, etc - would be very much appreciated.

If you send me an email, please post to this newsgroup also as
I
do not
check this account daily.

http://www.geocities.com/sammybinsnoozin/palm.html

Thanks in advance!

Sam

That tree is rotten at the base, it'll come down someday in a
strong
storm.
--
Ann, gardening in Zone 6a
South of Boston, Massachusetts
e-mail address is not checked
******************************

I thought so too 3 years ago, but it has been steadily growing -
slow, but
steady. And hard as a rock all around the base.
============================

It's been two days since you posted your message, so you've had
time
to call
your cooperative extension office and ask them about the problem.
And,
today's Tuesday, so we know the office was probably open
yesterday
and
today.

When you called them, what did they say about this tree?

Since you evidently know so much about what I'm doing, why don't
you
tell me.

I thought you would've called the cooperative extension service by
now. Do
you know who I mean, what they do, and why they might be a valuable
resource
for answering your question?

Thanks, Joe. Sorry, I misunderstood.

Yes, I did - and also emailed a link to the photos. Still waiting for
a reply. Likely they are taking off next week for Vet's Day, then the
following 2 weeks for Thxkgv, then there's Christmas. I hope to hear
back from them by 2009.

In the mean time, I'm taking some photos down to the local nursery and
will report back what they tell me.

Sam

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"Sammy bin Snoozin"
expounded:

I think this is a king palm (not 100% sure). Here are some
photos
I just
took today to show a possible problem. Up until today I
thought
this was
normal, but when I push on the tree, it sway very easily and I
can see
the trunk move at the ground. Nothing appears wet or eaten by
insects -
everything I can see and touch is hard like a normal tree.

Anyway, anyone who can share some info about this tree - is
this
normal
or not, etc - would be very much appreciated.

If you send me an email, please post to this newsgroup also as
I
do not
check this account daily.

http://www.geocities.com/sammybinsnoozin/palm.html

Thanks in advance!

Sam

That tree is rotten at the base, it'll come down someday in a
strong
storm.
--
Ann, gardening in Zone 6a
South of Boston, Massachusetts
e-mail address is not checked
******************************

I thought so too 3 years ago, but it has been steadily growing -
slow, but
steady. And hard as a rock all around the base.
============================

It's been two days since you posted your message, so you've had
time
to call
your cooperative extension office and ask them about the problem.
And,
today's Tuesday, so we know the office was probably open
yesterday
and
today.

When you called them, what did they say about this tree?

Since you evidently know so much about what I'm doing, why don't
you
tell me.

I thought you would've called the cooperative extension service by
now. Do
you know who I mean, what they do, and why they might be a valuable
resource
for answering your question?

Thanks, Joe. Sorry, I misunderstood.

Yes, I did - and also emailed a link to the photos. Still waiting for
a reply. Likely they are taking off next week for Vet's Day, then the
following 2 weeks for Thxkgv, then there's Christmas. I hope to hear
back from them by 2009.

In the mean time, I'm taking some photos down to the local nursery and
will report back what they tell me.

Sam

Email is a thing of the past. Pick up the phone and call the cooperative
extension.

http://www.geocities.com/sammybinsnoozin/palm.html

Added a few close up photos to the bottom of the page. Not in focus,
but as good as I could do.

As you folks know, the Ag Ext is closed on weekends and Monday is a
holiday. So the saga continues.

I printed out these photos and took to the local nursery. They gave
their stock answer.... they had no idea what it was but "you should
try this fertilizer..."

Sam

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I printed out these photos and took to the local nursery. They gave
their stock answer.... they had no idea what it was but "you should
try this fertilizer..."



Well- you can tell by the frizzled fronds that the tree is malnourished- is
it regularly fed at all? Minerals too?
And add the base of the trunk to the equation and it spells trouble IMO.



--
Toni
Hills of Kentucky
USDA Zone 6b
http://www.cearbhaill.com

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"Sammy bin Snoozin" wrote in
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I printed out these photos and took to the local nursery. They
gave
their stock answer.... they had no idea what it was but "you
should
try this fertilizer..."



Well- you can tell by the frizzled fronds that the tree is
malnourished- is
it regularly fed at all? Minerals too?
And add the base of the trunk to the equation and it spells trouble
IMO.



--
Toni
Hills of Kentucky
USDA Zone 6b
http://www.cearbhaill.com




Thanks, it gets the same fertilizer as the rest of the yard/trees -
10-10-10 spring and fall -- or whatever is on the bag. All the other
trees in the yard - fruit, pines - are doing great. But as you can
tell I know nothing about palm trees. Interestingly I was talking to
the next door neighbor about this one. He told me it has looked that
way 15 years ago before I was there.

Will post again when I find out something for the benefit of other
folks.

PS - I'm surprised that there is not a website somewhere with photos
of palm conditions. This must be a common question for the rest of
the suckers out there who have these *useless* non-native trees.

Sam

PS -- I don't like palm trees as they are non-native to Calif, produce
no shade or fruit and attract lovely rats in the top. I think I have
solved the problem....

http://www.buytikitorches.com/images/atp-fb4_1.jpg


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"Sammy bin Snoozin" wrote in
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I printed out these photos and took to the local nursery. They
gave
their stock answer.... they had no idea what it was but "you
should
try this fertilizer..."



Well- you can tell by the frizzled fronds that the tree is
malnourished- is
it regularly fed at all? Minerals too?
And add the base of the trunk to the equation and it spells
trouble
IMO.



--
Toni
Hills of Kentucky
USDA Zone 6b
http://www.cearbhaill.com




Thanks, it gets the same fertilizer as the rest of the yard/trees -
10-10-10 spring and fall -- or whatever is on the bag. All the
other
trees in the yard - fruit, pines - are doing great. But as you can
tell I know nothing about palm trees. Interestingly I was talking
to
the next door neighbor about this one. He told me it has looked
that
way 15 years ago before I was there.

Will post again when I find out something for the benefit of other
folks.

PS - I'm surprised that there is not a website somewhere with photos
of palm conditions. This must be a common question for the rest of
the suckers out there who have these *useless* non-native trees.

Sam

Sammy bin Snoozin wrote:
PS -- I don't like palm trees as they are non-native to Calif, produce
no shade or fruit and attract lovely rats in the top. I think I have
solved the problem....

http://www.buytikitorches.com/images/atp-fb4_1.jpg


S

I prefer the totem pole look myself..

Now, chop it down, grab a chain saw and have fun..

Them rapscallion Calif Ag Ext folks still ain't replied to me and
won't answer their phone. Evidently all the county offices' phone
lines are forwarded to the offcice in Davis. Jeez. Tomorrow I'm
calling the Arizona boys and see what happens.

"Sammy bin Snoozin" wrote in message
news:A8oXi.16179$Rg1.11432@trnddc05...
I think this is a king palm (not 100% sure). Here are some photos I
just took today to show a possible problem. Up until today I thought
this was normal, but when I push on the tree, it sway very easily and
I can see the trunk move at the ground. Nothing appears wet or eaten
by insects - everything I can see and touch is hard like a normal
tree.

Anyway, anyone who can share some info about this tree - is this
normal or not, etc - would be very much appreciated.

If you send me an email, please post to this newsgroup also as I do
not check this account daily.

http://www.geocities.com/sammybinsnoozin/palm.html

Thanks in advance!

Sam

Dear friends,

I have been waiting for a reply to both emails and phone calls to the Calif Ag Extension. Other than going there in person (300 miles) looks like I won't be getting any help from them.

Are there any sites on the internet that show palm diseases? Thanks.

Sam


"Sammy bin Snoozin" wrote in message news:A8oXi.16179$Rg1.11432@trnddc05...
I think this is a king palm (not 100% sure). Here are some photos I just took today to show a possible problem. Up until today I thought this was normal, but when I push on the tree, it sway very easily and I can see the trunk move at the ground. Nothing appears wet or eaten by insects - everything I can see and touch is hard like a normal tree.

Anyway, anyone who can share some info about this tree - is this normal or not, etc - would be very much appreciated.

If you send me an email, please post to this newsgroup also as I do not check this account daily.

http://www.geocities.com/sammybinsnoozin/palm.html

Thanks in advance!

Sam

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Dear friends,

I have been waiting for a reply to both emails and phone calls to the Calif
Ag Extension. Other than going there in person (300 miles) looks like I
won't be getting any help from them.

Are there any sites on the internet that show palm diseases? Thanks.

Sam


+++++++++++++


When I did a google search using the words "palm tree diseases california",
I noticed a few sites that looked promising among the 1,800,000 search
results. I didn't even have to go past the first page.

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ...
"Sammy bin Snoozin" wrote in message
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Dear friends,

I have been waiting for a reply to both emails and phone calls to the Calif
Ag Extension. Other than going there in person (300 miles) looks like I
won't be getting any help from them.

Are there any sites on the internet that show palm diseases? Thanks.

Sam


+++++++++++++


When I did a google search using the words "palm tree diseases california",
I noticed a few sites that looked promising among the 1,800,000 search
results. I didn't even have to go past the first page.



Thanks, Joe. I did the same at first also. Unfortunately I could not find any photos of disease or pest infestation and I went thru at least 10 pages of links before I gave up. I noticed that many of the links were to the Calif Ag Ext at UC Davis -- which is impossible to get at reply from.

Sam

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
I have been waiting for a reply to both emails and phone calls to the
Calif Ag Extension.

Try holding your breath instead, Doug Kanter.

"Steveo" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
I have been waiting for a reply to both emails and phone calls to
the
Calif Ag Extension.

Try holding your breath instead, Doug Kanter.

No kidding. I'll be on the phone again Monday.