wrote:
I still reserve the right to k/f G2 and webtv users. =P

rope a dope ($1 Cashis) sp

Not you. The netkook you replied to. You based your opinion on Steveo upon
the kook's comments. While Steveo and I don't see eye-to-eye on some
things, I have the utmost respect for his knowledge of turf grasses and
their care. Killfiling him, based on a netkook's reply to him was *not* a
bright move on your part, IMO.

Sorry if I sounded defensive, I'm at my wits end with this problem.


Of course they did! Weeds are aggressive nusiances, but they still prefer
the same conditions as the plants you wish to keep (food, water, air),
which you gladly provided when you areated your lawn. You made a bunch of
holes, airborne seeds hit your turf, you water and it washes the seeds
down
the holes. Where the fsck do you think they're going to grow?

The "weeds" I refered to were a coarse grass with underground runners,
applying a herbacide would have done more damage to the burmuda.

Maybe I'm wrong, but, I think I said "what you would expect to see"

The lawn was not devoid of all insects, might be now!

I started with the nemitodes, that got rid of most of the grubs and sod
webworms but not the critters I was after so I went to Malathion, that also
had little or no effect.
I took a soil sample to the county agriculture dept., they're response was
"earthworms", yes I have earthworms but they're not the problem. (Those are
probably gone now)

Can you be a bit more specific? I'm not familiar with your "sod farm",
sorry. Was it twice a day? Once a day? For how long, each application?

As to the heat, 100+ temps here are not unusual. The instructions were to
water three times per day till runoff every day for one week, twice a day
for the next week and three days a week there after adjusting for weather
conditions. All watering done in the morning.

Two cubic yards per 1000 square feet? Ok, so you top-dressed. The second
tilling was probably over-kill.

The secon tilling was per the sod farms instructions.

One last application of (I'm guessing, your "Bayer granules" was a bit
vague) Imidacloprid.

I don't remember the active ingredient.

Do you remember the product name? I'm pretty sure I'm correct from your
vague description of the product. Still, going on assumptions isn't a good
idea. Again, though, you most likely put down a broad-spectrum pesticide,
further delaying the good health of your lawn.

I talked to a person at a well known nursery, they recommeded it, I guess I
shouldn't assume they know what they're talking about.


They *may* be older than me, and if so, then you'd have grandkids running
around on your poisoned turf, and you'd probably be much too old to be
doing your own yardwork. Yes, I have grandkids, and I'm quite careful
about
what I treat, and where.

Grandkid is in highschool and lives in Dallas. And you're never too old to
do yard work.


Really? Which strain? It makes a huge difference, you know.

I can only go by what the Ag. supply co. sold me, they only carried one
kind.

I didn't respond to your original post, did I? The description of the
hills
sounds like ants. Not being from San Diego, I am unfamiliar with local
pests, there.

Not ants, these mounds are small, composed of tiny round pellets. No one
here seems to know about these critters either, whats frustrating is even
the county ag. dept. isn't interested. I guess if it doesn't affect the
"cash crops" they don't care.

Other than dumping a bunch of pesticides and compost, did you have your
soil tested for the proper nutrients, minerals, and pH levels? Often,
controlling pests is as easy as ensuring the plants have everything they
need. Healthy plants tend to ward-off pests with little intervention from
man.

This has escalated from what I thought was the most harmless treatment to,
as you say, killing everything. Yes the soil was tested and was OK.
Next step???concrete!!!!


--
"shut up and keep diggen"
Jerry

"Micro*" wrote in message
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"Eggs Zachtly" wrote in message
...
Please don't feed the trolls/kooks. Thanks.

NOT a troll, just looking for answers!
You saw them spread the weed? How? Transplants? Seed? Herbaceous
cuttings?

this appeared right after they areated my law.

And the weeds appeared in the plug holes!!!

Ahh! So *that's* how they did it! A core is removed, and a weed
transplant
was put in it's place, all in the same pass. Brilliant!

And maybe the bugs I have now????

Most likely. I believe you when you say that you had zero insects living
in
your lawn. Congrats on maintaining such a sterile environment. You'll
probably live to be 100+.

Maybe I'm wrong, but, I think I said "what you would expect to see"

By the way, Steveo, Maybe you wouldn't think this funny if you came out
and
renovated my backyard in the 100+ deg. heat.

Maybe the heat had something to do with your lawn dying? Nah. I'm sure
your
yard didn't have heat until the lawn died. And, we all know that weeds
don't thrive in heat. And, insects usually take summers off. How often
did
you water, btw?

The lawn was doing fine in the heat, the problem started after the heat
wave broke. Watering was done acording to the sod farms instructions.

Or, maybe the lawn didn't survive because you totally wrecked the entire
ecosystem that was in place in your yard. Let's see, you dug up the rest
of
the lawn. Then you "flooded" it with Sevin.

Could you elaborate on what rate per 1000 square feet, "flooded" is? I
couldn't find it on my bottle of Carbaryl. And, you know that Sevin is
not
really a selective pesticide, right? It will kill beneficial organisms as
well as pests. And, it kills on contact.

I suppose I shouldn't have used the word "flooded", it was applied at the
recommed rate then watered in,as recommended by the UCSD ag.extension.
You mean applied per the package instructions? You ALWAYS apply according
tot he manufactures instructions ALWAYS.
Then you tilled the lawn. How deep did you till?
6"
At what rate did you apply the compost? How many yards per 1000 square
feet?

2
Then you tilled again.

One last application of (I'm guessing, your "Bayer granules" was a bit
vague) Imidacloprid.

I don't remember the active ingredient.
What was the name of the product? Merit?
That should take care of any earthworms, parasitic
wasps (which eat grubs, btw), and other beneficial creatures. Oh, and I
don't think I'd put in a vegetable garden in the near future. The label
stipulates that food crops cannot be planted for a year after
Imidacloprid
application. Thus, two growing seasons would have elapsed before
harvest.
I wonder if kids should play out on a treated lawn before that year is
up.
Do ya have kids, Micro?

I don't think I'll be planting any veggies in the front lawn in the near
future. Yes I have kids, they're probably older than you and have no green
and purple horns growing out of their heads.

But, don't worry... the half life is only 720 days. And, apparently, it's
quite alright to treat yearly. Makes sense to me! I guess nematodes were
not on the list of possible solutions to your insect woes.

Appplied Bacillus thuringiensis when the problem first appeared before
renovation.
WHY? Your lawn and everything is dead??? A sterile lawn dosen't make for a
good lawn. Only use the products to treat the problems present with the
exception of Imidacloprid which is a prevention treatment if there are grubs
in the area!

You had one "perceived" bad experience with some rinky-dink lawn company,

Trugreen chemlawn, natonwide, doubt it's "rinky-dink".

which probably had nothing to do with your lawn problem, and lumped *ALL*
lawn services into the "not a good thing" category. Ever had a bad
experience at a restaurant? Guess there's no good restaurants, then.

I suppose if I had a food poisoning in a restaurant and they passed
they're unwashed pots,pans and utensiles to other restaurants, I would
lump them all together.
Do you clean your tools between each lawn. Gosh, why do that, might hurt
business.

You come in, ****ing and moaning because you had some weeds,

Read the original post, it was not about the weeds.



--
"shut up and keep diggen"
Jerry