I got a mock orange recently - Philadelphus x virginalis 'Minnesota
Snowflake.' The people at the nursery said it would "get big." A Google
search yields results that say it will get from 8 feet tall and as wide to
only 3 feet tall. The plant is already about 3 feet tall in the container.
Some sites say that it is fast growing, some say it is a slow grower. I
want to select a good site for this plant. Anyone know about or have this
plant? I'm in zone 6.

I had 3 of these along my property line when I bought my house. They were my
neighbor's. The moron cut them down. I can't tell you much about growing
them, but you'd better get yourself a hat with mosquito net like fishermen
wear because when those plants start making flowers and you smell them,
you're gonna be sleeping out there in a lawn chair. :-)

"Vox Humana" wrote in message
...
I got a mock orange recently - Philadelphus x virginalis 'Minnesota
Snowflake.' The people at the nursery said it would "get big." A Google
search yields results that say it will get from 8 feet tall and as wide to
only 3 feet tall. The plant is already about 3 feet tall in the
container.
Some sites say that it is fast growing, some say it is a slow grower. I
want to select a good site for this plant. Anyone know about or have this
plant? I'm in zone 6.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
I had 3 of these along my property line when I bought my house. They were
my
neighbor's. The moron cut them down. I can't tell you much about growing
them, but you'd better get yourself a hat with mosquito net like fishermen
wear because when those plants start making flowers and you smell them,
you're gonna be sleeping out there in a lawn chair. :-)


Do you recall how tall they got? how wide? I appreciate your comment on
the fragrance. In my Google search, I found a couple of sites that said
they were only mildly fragrant and you had to put you nose in the flower to
smell it. I have a love-hate relationship with Google. Sometimes you find
great information and sometimes you get widely divergent information about
the same plant.

On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:28:55 GMT, "Vox Humana"
wrote:


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
I had 3 of these along my property line when I bought my house. They were
my
neighbor's. The moron cut them down. I can't tell you much about growing
them, but you'd better get yourself a hat with mosquito net like fishermen
wear because when those plants start making flowers and you smell them,
you're gonna be sleeping out there in a lawn chair. :-)


Do you recall how tall they got? how wide? I appreciate your comment on
the fragrance. In my Google search, I found a couple of sites that said
they were only mildly fragrant and you had to put you nose in the flower to
smell it. I have a love-hate relationship with Google. Sometimes you find
great information and sometimes you get widely divergent information about
the same plant.

I have one in the corner of my yard and it does get big! I would say
that 8' x 8' is a good estimate. The size sort of creeps up on you;
all of a sudden you realize it's huge. I didn't notice how much it
has grown until I looked at photos of when I moved in four years ago
when it was fairly small. It tends to have a messy growth habit with
sticks going every which way making pruning a guess. This becomes
more apparent when the leaves drop.

Anyway, this spring when I realized it was making inroads into the
backyard, I trimmed it back, keeping some of the height and width to
maintain it as a privacy screen.

One fall I cut it back quite a bit after the leaves had dropped. The
next spring it bloomed like crazy for the first time since I had it.
So I assume it blooms on new wood? The fragrance was overpowering.

I really like it.

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

I
want to select a good site for this plant. Anyone know about or have this
plant? I'm in zone 6.

Mine is huge, it's about 12 foot tall but hasn't flopped over like I read it
was supposed to do. I actually have 3, the other two are around 6 foot as we
speak.
Colleen
Zone 5 CT.

On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:36:25 GMT, "Vox Humana"
wrote:

===I got a mock orange recently - Philadelphus x virginalis 'Minnesota
===Snowflake.' The people at the nursery said it would "get big." A Google
===search yields results that say it will get from 8 feet tall and as wide to
===only 3 feet tall. The plant is already about 3 feet tall in the container.
===Some sites say that it is fast growing, some say it is a slow grower. I
===want to select a good site for this plant. Anyone know about or have this
===plant? I'm in zone 6.
===
Well I have mock orage on my property, probably been here for years
or at least early 1900's, and two in particular are about 20 to 25
feet apart at the trunks, but their canopies meet, and the entire
underside is just like one big airy green leaf umbrella........We have
the sides trimmed up for light etc, and maintain those two trees, and
often eat under them , as we have a gas grill and picnic table set
there. I can't say what species of mock orange they are, but they were
commonly used for hedgerows and property lines years ago. I have quite
a few others growing here and there but they are not a pretty tree by
any means as they are all gnarly and twisted, and full of thorns,
which these other two do ot have, which leads me to belive they may be
a different species of mock orange that the others I have. Neitherof
mine drop or grow any oranges but my others that are all gnarly do
grow fruits (ineditable unless our a fox squirrel and fox squirrels
love a mock orange fruit.)
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"Curly Sue" wrote in message
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On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:28:55 GMT, "Vox Humana"
wrote:


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
I had 3 of these along my property line when I bought my house. They
were
my
neighbor's. The moron cut them down. I can't tell you much about
growing
them, but you'd better get yourself a hat with mosquito net like
fishermen
wear because when those plants start making flowers and you smell them,
you're gonna be sleeping out there in a lawn chair. :-)


Do you recall how tall they got? how wide? I appreciate your comment on
the fragrance. In my Google search, I found a couple of sites that said
they were only mildly fragrant and you had to put you nose in the flower
to
smell it. I have a love-hate relationship with Google. Sometimes you
find
great information and sometimes you get widely divergent information
about
the same plant.

I have one in the corner of my yard and it does get big! I would say
that 8' x 8' is a good estimate. The size sort of creeps up on you;
all of a sudden you realize it's huge. I didn't notice how much it
has grown until I looked at photos of when I moved in four years ago
when it was fairly small. It tends to have a messy growth habit with
sticks going every which way making pruning a guess. This becomes
more apparent when the leaves drop.

Anyway, this spring when I realized it was making inroads into the
backyard, I trimmed it back, keeping some of the height and width to
maintain it as a privacy screen.

One fall I cut it back quite a bit after the leaves had dropped. The
next spring it bloomed like crazy for the first time since I had it.
So I assume it blooms on new wood? The fragrance was overpowering.

I really like it.


I'm glad to hear that it gets that big. I have a spot in a peninsula bed
that separates us from the neighbor. I want to screen off an unsightly part
of their back yard (actually, the underside of their two-story deck as their
entire back yard is unsightly and I only have so much time and money!). As
far as blooming, everything I have read says to prune immediately after
blooming. They apparently bloom on the previous year's growth. I don't
know if they actually set flower buds the previous year like azaleas. The
recommendations for rejuvenating the shrub is to removed 1/3 of the old
canes each year for three years.

"Roy" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:36:25 GMT, "Vox Humana"
wrote:

===I got a mock orange recently - Philadelphus x virginalis 'Minnesota
===Snowflake.' The people at the nursery said it would "get big." A
Google
===search yields results that say it will get from 8 feet tall and as
wide to
===only 3 feet tall. The plant is already about 3 feet tall in the
container.
===Some sites say that it is fast growing, some say it is a slow
grower. I
===want to select a good site for this plant. Anyone know about or
have this
===plant? I'm in zone 6.
===
Well I have mock orage on my property, probably been here for years
or at least early 1900's, and two in particular are about 20 to 25
feet apart at the trunks, but their canopies meet, and the entire
underside is just like one big airy green leaf umbrella........We have
the sides trimmed up for light etc, and maintain those two trees, and
often eat under them , as we have a gas grill and picnic table set
there. I can't say what species of mock orange they are, but they were
commonly used for hedgerows and property lines years ago. I have quite
a few others growing here and there but they are not a pretty tree by
any means as they are all gnarly and twisted, and full of thorns,
which these other two do ot have, which leads me to belive they may be
a different species of mock orange that the others I have. Neitherof
mine drop or grow any oranges but my others that are all gnarly do
grow fruits (ineditable unless our a fox squirrel and fox squirrels
love a mock orange fruit.)

I guess I have to do some more reading. I haven't seen a single mention of
fruit. We have some Osage orange trees in our woods, but that is another
plant entirely and one that I associate with fencerows in rural areas.

"GrampysGurl" wrote in message
...
I
want to select a good site for this plant. Anyone know about or have
this
plant? I'm in zone 6.

Mine is huge, it's about 12 foot tall but hasn't flopped over like I read
it
was supposed to do. I actually have 3, the other two are around 6 foot as
we
speak.
Colleen
Zone 5 CT.

Twelve feet works for me!

"Vox Humana" wrote in message
.. .

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
I had 3 of these along my property line when I bought my house. They
were
my
neighbor's. The moron cut them down. I can't tell you much about growing
them, but you'd better get yourself a hat with mosquito net like
fishermen
wear because when those plants start making flowers and you smell them,
you're gonna be sleeping out there in a lawn chair. :-)


Do you recall how tall they got? how wide? I appreciate your comment on
the fragrance. In my Google search, I found a couple of sites that said
they were only mildly fragrant and you had to put you nose in the flower
to
smell it. I have a love-hate relationship with Google. Sometimes you
find
great information and sometimes you get widely divergent information about
the same plant.



Mine were about 6' high, but mostly suckers. They'd been badly abused by the
knucklehead neighbor. But, here's a hint from Wayside Gardens:

http://www.waysidegardens.com/webapp...=orange%20mock


Most Fragrant Philadelphus.
The orange-brown bark peels attractively in winter providing another season
of interest.

Philadelphus Virginal - Mockorange. The hard-to-find true Mockorange strain
that blooms all summer. The most fragrant Philadelphus, this drought
tolerant, 8-foot by 6-foot shrub produces masses of 2-inch flowers.
Orange-brown bark peels attractively in winter. Prefers humus-rich, loamy
soil. Zones 5-8. One-gallon container. For Fall Shipping

On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 02:20:17 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Mine were about 6' high, but mostly suckers. They'd been badly abused by the
knucklehead neighbor. But, here's a hint from Wayside Gardens:

http://www.waysidegardens.com/webapp...=orange%20mock


Most Fragrant Philadelphus.
The orange-brown bark peels attractively in winter providing another season
of interest.

Philadelphus Virginal - Mockorange. The hard-to-find true Mockorange strain

"true Mock orange" - an amusing oxymoron?

that blooms all summer. The most fragrant Philadelphus, this drought
tolerant, 8-foot by 6-foot shrub produces masses of 2-inch flowers.
Orange-brown bark peels attractively in winter. Prefers humus-rich, loamy
soil. Zones 5-8. One-gallon container. For Fall Shipping

Hmm, the flowers on mine aren't 2". They're rather tiny. Maybe it's
a mock Mock Orange :

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

a different species of mock orange that the others I have. Neitherof
mine drop or grow any oranges but my others that are all gnarly do
grow fruits (ineditable unless our a fox squirrel and fox squirrels
love a mock orange fruit.)

I believe your plant is an Osage Orange,
a different plant from mock orange.

Emilie
NorCal

I got a mock orange recently - Philadelphus x virginalis 'Minnesota
Snowflake

Sunset Garden Book says 'Minnesota Snowflake' is a "large" variety, and says
6-8 feet high, and wide. I find Sunset to be a little conservative as far as
size.

Emilie
NorCal

I planted one about a foot long with couple of shoots 3 years ago.
Last year were couple of flowers that is about it. This year it has
grown wild and no flowers. May be this fall I should prune this so I
can get some flowere next year! I have fertilized, watered nothing
has made it flower so far and I am rally getting tired of looking that
the shoots shooting up everyday!

(Curly Sue) wrote in message ...
On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:28:55 GMT, "Vox Humana"
wrote:


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
I had 3 of these along my property line when I bought my house. They were
my
neighbor's. The moron cut them down. I can't tell you much about growing
them, but you'd better get yourself a hat with mosquito net like fishermen
wear because when those plants start making flowers and you smell them,
you're gonna be sleeping out there in a lawn chair. :-)


Do you recall how tall they got? how wide? I appreciate your comment on
the fragrance. In my Google search, I found a couple of sites that said
they were only mildly fragrant and you had to put you nose in the flower to
smell it. I have a love-hate relationship with Google. Sometimes you find
great information and sometimes you get widely divergent information about
the same plant.

I have one in the corner of my yard and it does get big! I would say
that 8' x 8' is a good estimate. The size sort of creeps up on you;
all of a sudden you realize it's huge. I didn't notice how much it
has grown until I looked at photos of when I moved in four years ago
when it was fairly small. It tends to have a messy growth habit with
sticks going every which way making pruning a guess. This becomes
more apparent when the leaves drop.

Anyway, this spring when I realized it was making inroads into the
backyard, I trimmed it back, keeping some of the height and width to
maintain it as a privacy screen.

One fall I cut it back quite a bit after the leaves had dropped. The
next spring it bloomed like crazy for the first time since I had it.
So I assume it blooms on new wood? The fragrance was overpowering.

I really like it.

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

"vsiddali" wrote in message
om...
I planted one about a foot long with couple of shoots 3 years ago.
Last year were couple of flowers that is about it. This year it has
grown wild and no flowers. May be this fall I should prune this so I
can get some flowere next year! I have fertilized, watered nothing
has made it flower so far and I am rally getting tired of looking that
the shoots shooting up everyday!


Apparently, too much fertilizer will cause lots of growth and few flowers.
Also, it may not be getting enough sun. I would refrain from using any
fertilizer and if you are going to prune, I would do it sooner than later.
Every site I looked at recommended pruning immediately after it flowered.