(paghat) wrote in
news

Sorry if I was gruff, but that hitler's-a-jew crap is one of the
things up there with rape & child molestation that peeves me
considerably. Mainly it gets me peevish because the more virulent
antisemites SHOULD seem to retarded to ANYone thinking human being
that none of their ideas can take hold. Yet the craziest fabrications
get repeated by people who should never be that foolish, yet who fail
even to question what should at first blush be obvious folklore. Must
be related to that same old theory that if someone's going to lie to
the public, make it as wildly improbable & unconvincing a lie as
possible, & that way the masses will think surely it must be true.
Makes me want to kick every parrot of such craziness.

-paggers


How do you know it isn't true? For all I know Ian Kershaw could have more
whoppers than Burger King. A lot of your arguement seems to be because
Hitler had such and such an upbringing and/or life (which may or may not be
true) he was predisposed to be anti-semetic. Howewer, all that has
absolutely no causal relation to Hitler's paternity. You also assert that
Hitler was related to himself. While stranger things have kappened, how do
you know that's not a whopper, other than somebody else told you?

Oddly, you seem emotionally invested in believing one way or the other.

"madgardener" wrote in :

murderers). I don't delight or pretend to delight in the myth that
Hitler was Jewish. I was taught that in junior high school and never
knew otherwise until you educated me today. Of which I appreciate and

At my school, I learnt that he had a Jewish step-parent or some such, so
you're not the only one who's been edumikated with questionable
information. It wouldn't surprise me if such things are in a lot of
textbooks. The was a story on one of those news programs (Dateline,
Nightline, something like that) on how a lot of textbooks used in other
states have to pass muster in a let's just say not unbiased selection
process in Texas first.

As I am not 100 years old, I don't know if it's a myth or not, and really I
don't care. I don't see how it would matter, either, unless you like to
believe pseudological statements like "Hitler was a Jew, Jews must be
evil" or "Hitler was not a Jew. Jews must be good."

"zhanataya" wrote in message Maddie, Stephens post was
a follow up to Janice.

I stand corrected. my apologies. I need to just lurk for awhile. and clear
my head out.....................huge sigh
maddie

Why so paranoid, Mad?

I was replying to the ridiculous statements by Janice not you.

Are you and Janice the same person?

The Brown Shirts were not Jews. They were the thugs hired by the Nazis to
harass the Jews and anybody else they chose as scapegoats for the Germans
losing WWI. I am not the Brown Shirt wannabe that harassed you in school.

You should have paid closer attention in history class and to this thread
too.


madgardener wrote in message
...

"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
. com...

As if it isn't bad enough that your family tree has no branches,
Tennessee,
but now this?



Now what???????????? As for my family tree having no branches, speak for
yourself. I am as I always have explained, not ashamed of my heritage. I
am
Scotch-Irish/Cherokee-Apache-German (my biological father was 100% German
by
the name of Swaggle or Svagle or Svagel or however the guy spelled it. A
freaking sailor who was in port New Orleans in 1952 and met my biological
mother who was living there at the time. They hooked up, he knocked her up
and offered to marry her and she declined when she discovered he had a
wife
and son back in the mudder land. It had nothing to do with him being
German. The rest of the linage was more or less what I just said. I was
raised in Nashville by Christian people who were prejudiced. And bigoted.
But I aspired to be better than that, and it was also the enlightened
years
of the late fifties and sixties.



I despise the Clan because I had some family who were IN the clan. I
hated
what they stood for by the time I knew of them. My mother's prejudiced
was
learned and based on fear she never realized. My dad's was just pure
Southern learned bigotry. But in the same breath, he didn't hate people of
colors, he just had an attitude about them and mixing. He didn't even like
me having black friends in school when my school was already integrated.
Nashville, the Athens of the South as it was known as when I was growing
up
there. And I lived in the middle class suburbs. I didn't even know what
Jewish people were until my dad worked for a boss that was Jewish and he
was
a really nice man. My information was based on what I was taught in high
school in my world history class by a WWII vet who'd decided to be a
teacher
after he got out of the service and thru Belmont College.

If he gave us misleading information it wasn't the first time nor will it
be
the last. Everything isn't taught in schools anymore sad to say. I didn't
know or care to debate the correct information. I was being raised by a
woman whose brother was killed during the war serving under General Patton
and blown up in his tank. She didn't even get her hatred right. She
didn't
hate Germans, she hated Japanese people........I never figured that one
out
and didn't try. I didn't have a problem with anyone other than bullies and
assholes. And they came in all colors and nationalities. And they still
do.



So you sympathize with the Brown Shirts, eh?

How can you presume to accuse me of this when I really don't know what the
brown shirts WERE???? And who the hell are you to accuse me of something
when you can't base it on anything I've said other than misinformation?
You
have a lotta damn nerve Steve. I see you have intelligence concerning
plants, and you have one helluva dry wit, and most times I see the humor
when others just get ****ed. And I'm not even ****ed at you. And you'll
NEVER run me off by things you say. Because you don't know me. You're just
poking at me trying to get a rise outa me. You remind me of the guy who
sat
behind me in Junior high and tormented me every chance he got and since
his
name was one letter off of my last name, I was plagued by him 6 out of 7
classes all thru junior high. I despised that asshole. Only when I got
into
high school was I given some relief, and even then I had to endure him on
the school bus to and from school. There were times I walked the mile and
half just to get away from him.

I have since grown up, matured and gotten past assholes like him. And like
you pretend to be. You like to sling shit at people to see if it sticks.
Not
this woman. You gotta be better than that, and considering what I've gone
thru in my short but chaotic life, you haven't the ammunition to even wing
or wound me. The really sad thing is I have no reason to be upset and
****ed because your anger is aimed at me. Are you just ****ed at me
because
I don't know? I need to get you to understand one thing......I didn't go
to
college. I graduated high school by the skin of my teeth because I wasn't
interested in higher education at the time. But it didn't mean that I was
stupid or unwilling. I just didn't know any better. And I have continued
to
learn every day. Paghat educated me about Hitler in HER post and I didn't
know what she revealed until I read it today.

Hitler had all the Brown Shirt thugs killed when he seized power and
didn't
need them anymore.

Well I see. So I am to assume that the "brown shirts" were Jewish people?
I
had no idea they were called that. I just didn't pay attention. I only
know
that millions of them were slaughtered for no reason, and even today our
schools aren't reminding children of the atrocities of this crime in a lot
of the classrooms.

Another example of honor among thieves (and thugs).

There is no honor among thieves and thugs.

Your washing the sheets for the KKK, doesn't get all the blood off your
hands.

I don't claim to wash the sheets for the Clan and I certainly don't have
any
blood on MY hands. A bitten dog barks, and it sounds like you have
something
to hide or be ashamed of in YOUR closet there boyo. I've never harmed a
human being my whole life and with exception to the man who donated his
sperm to make me, of which I haven't a clue what HE'S done in his life, I
am
spot free of that accusation. You're throwing shit again and I refuse to
let it get on me. In fact, when I said goodbye, I meant I would no longer
respond to you. but seeing these words inspired me to answer you one last
time. After this you still exist, but there is nothing you can say to me
here on the newsgroup that will get a response from me. You're wasting
your
time with me and need to swing your poisoned attentions to someone else.
Direct your venom and hatred towards someone who truely can benefit from
it.
I love too many people and life to be bothered by the likes of what you
pretend to be.

I hope you aren't this bitter and mean spirited in real life as you appear
to be. If you are, it's a sad thing and I feel sorry for you. You speak
as
if you disdane from having friends or anyone close and with the attitudes
you exibit here on the newsgroup, I don't wonder if you are lonely and
have
no friends. Keep this up and you'll die alone and no one will mourn your
loss. I put thee away, you will no longer get a response from me ever
again.

Marilyn the madgardener

Why so paranoid, Mad?

I was replying to the ridiculous statements by Janice not you.

Are you and Janice the same person?

The Brown Shirts were not Jews. They were the thugs hired by the Nazis to
harass the Jews and anybody else they chose as scapegoats for the Germans
losing WWI. I am not the Brown Shirt wannabe that harassed you in school.

You should have paid closer attention in history class and to this thread
too.


madgardener wrote in message
...

"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
. com...

As if it isn't bad enough that your family tree has no branches,
Tennessee,
but now this?



Now what???????????? As for my family tree having no branches, speak for
yourself. I am as I always have explained, not ashamed of my heritage. I
am
Scotch-Irish/Cherokee-Apache-German (my biological father was 100% German
by
the name of Swaggle or Svagle or Svagel or however the guy spelled it. A
freaking sailor who was in port New Orleans in 1952 and met my biological
mother who was living there at the time. They hooked up, he knocked her up
and offered to marry her and she declined when she discovered he had a
wife
and son back in the mudder land. It had nothing to do with him being
German. The rest of the linage was more or less what I just said. I was
raised in Nashville by Christian people who were prejudiced. And bigoted.
But I aspired to be better than that, and it was also the enlightened
years
of the late fifties and sixties.



I despise the Clan because I had some family who were IN the clan. I
hated
what they stood for by the time I knew of them. My mother's prejudiced
was
learned and based on fear she never realized. My dad's was just pure
Southern learned bigotry. But in the same breath, he didn't hate people of
colors, he just had an attitude about them and mixing. He didn't even like
me having black friends in school when my school was already integrated.
Nashville, the Athens of the South as it was known as when I was growing
up
there. And I lived in the middle class suburbs. I didn't even know what
Jewish people were until my dad worked for a boss that was Jewish and he
was
a really nice man. My information was based on what I was taught in high
school in my world history class by a WWII vet who'd decided to be a
teacher
after he got out of the service and thru Belmont College.

If he gave us misleading information it wasn't the first time nor will it
be
the last. Everything isn't taught in schools anymore sad to say. I didn't
know or care to debate the correct information. I was being raised by a
woman whose brother was killed during the war serving under General Patton
and blown up in his tank. She didn't even get her hatred right. She
didn't
hate Germans, she hated Japanese people........I never figured that one
out
and didn't try. I didn't have a problem with anyone other than bullies and
assholes. And they came in all colors and nationalities. And they still
do.



So you sympathize with the Brown Shirts, eh?

How can you presume to accuse me of this when I really don't know what the
brown shirts WERE???? And who the hell are you to accuse me of something
when you can't base it on anything I've said other than misinformation?
You
have a lotta damn nerve Steve. I see you have intelligence concerning
plants, and you have one helluva dry wit, and most times I see the humor
when others just get ****ed. And I'm not even ****ed at you. And you'll
NEVER run me off by things you say. Because you don't know me. You're just
poking at me trying to get a rise outa me. You remind me of the guy who
sat
behind me in Junior high and tormented me every chance he got and since
his
name was one letter off of my last name, I was plagued by him 6 out of 7
classes all thru junior high. I despised that asshole. Only when I got
into
high school was I given some relief, and even then I had to endure him on
the school bus to and from school. There were times I walked the mile and
half just to get away from him.

I have since grown up, matured and gotten past assholes like him. And like
you pretend to be. You like to sling shit at people to see if it sticks.
Not
this woman. You gotta be better than that, and considering what I've gone
thru in my short but chaotic life, you haven't the ammunition to even wing
or wound me. The really sad thing is I have no reason to be upset and
****ed because your anger is aimed at me. Are you just ****ed at me
because
I don't know? I need to get you to understand one thing......I didn't go
to
college. I graduated high school by the skin of my teeth because I wasn't
interested in higher education at the time. But it didn't mean that I was
stupid or unwilling. I just didn't know any better. And I have continued
to
learn every day. Paghat educated me about Hitler in HER post and I didn't
know what she revealed until I read it today.

Hitler had all the Brown Shirt thugs killed when he seized power and
didn't
need them anymore.

Well I see. So I am to assume that the "brown shirts" were Jewish people?
I
had no idea they were called that. I just didn't pay attention. I only
know
that millions of them were slaughtered for no reason, and even today our
schools aren't reminding children of the atrocities of this crime in a lot
of the classrooms.

Another example of honor among thieves (and thugs).

There is no honor among thieves and thugs.

Your washing the sheets for the KKK, doesn't get all the blood off your
hands.

I don't claim to wash the sheets for the Clan and I certainly don't have
any
blood on MY hands. A bitten dog barks, and it sounds like you have
something
to hide or be ashamed of in YOUR closet there boyo. I've never harmed a
human being my whole life and with exception to the man who donated his
sperm to make me, of which I haven't a clue what HE'S done in his life, I
am
spot free of that accusation. You're throwing shit again and I refuse to
let it get on me. In fact, when I said goodbye, I meant I would no longer
respond to you. but seeing these words inspired me to answer you one last
time. After this you still exist, but there is nothing you can say to me
here on the newsgroup that will get a response from me. You're wasting
your
time with me and need to swing your poisoned attentions to someone else.
Direct your venom and hatred towards someone who truely can benefit from
it.
I love too many people and life to be bothered by the likes of what you
pretend to be.

I hope you aren't this bitter and mean spirited in real life as you appear
to be. If you are, it's a sad thing and I feel sorry for you. You speak
as
if you disdane from having friends or anyone close and with the attitudes
you exibit here on the newsgroup, I don't wonder if you are lonely and
have
no friends. Keep this up and you'll die alone and no one will mourn your
loss. I put thee away, you will no longer get a response from me ever
again.

Marilyn the madgardener

paghat wrote:

...the craziest fabrications get repeated by people who should
never be that foolish, yet who fail even to question what should at first
blush be obvious folklore. Must be related to that same old theory that if
someone's going to lie to the public, make it as wildly improbable &
unconvincing a lie as possible, & that way the masses will think surely it
must be true. Makes me want to kick every parrot of such craziness...




I wouldn't recommend it. There are just too many of them. You would be
likely to get carpal tunnel syndrome in your foot and tennis knee.

"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
om...
Why so paranoid, Mad?

I was replying to the ridiculous statements by Janice not you.

Are you and Janice the same person?

The Brown Shirts were not Jews. They were the thugs hired by the Nazis to
harass the Jews and anybody else they chose as scapegoats for the Germans
losing WWI. I am not the Brown Shirt wannabe that harassed you in school.

You should have paid closer attention in history class and to this thread
too.
no, Janice is Janice, and I am marilyn the madgardener. two totally
different people. I misunderstood your boogering with Janice as a come back
towards me since I, too am Tennessean. I apologize to you for this gross
misunderstanding. I am not normally paranoid, just overly sensitive and
stressed at the moment with personal problems of huge proportions with mine
and Squire's life currently. Nothing relationship wise glad to say, but of
financial levels. and ever the dragon lurks in the corner drool and
slavering waiting for the kill and torture (irs) so at least I expect them
to tromp into our insanity to make things worse. Thanks for educating me on
the brown shirts. I need to go back and pull up more vinca like I did
yesterday. I am wasting space here on the newsgroup being a shithead. I
apologize again Stephen for any misunderstandings I thought were aimed at
me. (if you could have seen where the posts were in my computer, it looked
like you were responding back towards me, Zhan set me straight. I can always
count on her to have a firm but gentle hand in matters of that kind.)
madgardener off to clear out my head for awhile

"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
om...
Why so paranoid, Mad?

I was replying to the ridiculous statements by Janice not you.

Are you and Janice the same person?

The Brown Shirts were not Jews. They were the thugs hired by the Nazis to
harass the Jews and anybody else they chose as scapegoats for the Germans
losing WWI. I am not the Brown Shirt wannabe that harassed you in school.

You should have paid closer attention in history class and to this thread
too.
no, Janice is Janice, and I am marilyn the madgardener. two totally
different people. I misunderstood your boogering with Janice as a come back
towards me since I, too am Tennessean. I apologize to you for this gross
misunderstanding. I am not normally paranoid, just overly sensitive and
stressed at the moment with personal problems of huge proportions with mine
and Squire's life currently. Nothing relationship wise glad to say, but of
financial levels. and ever the dragon lurks in the corner drool and
slavering waiting for the kill and torture (irs) so at least I expect them
to tromp into our insanity to make things worse. Thanks for educating me on
the brown shirts. I need to go back and pull up more vinca like I did
yesterday. I am wasting space here on the newsgroup being a shithead. I
apologize again Stephen for any misunderstandings I thought were aimed at
me. (if you could have seen where the posts were in my computer, it looked
like you were responding back towards me, Zhan set me straight. I can always
count on her to have a firm but gentle hand in matters of that kind.)
madgardener off to clear out my head for awhile

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 11:07:47 GMT, "Cereus-validus"
wrote:

Why so paranoid, Mad?

I was replying to the ridiculous statements by Janice not you.

Are you and Janice the same person?

The Brown Shirts were not Jews. They were the thugs hired by the Nazis to
harass the Jews and anybody else they chose as scapegoats for the Germans
losing WWI. I am not the Brown Shirt wannabe that harassed you in school.

You should have paid closer attention in history class and to this thread
too.

I think top-posting causes paranoia. You're having way too much fun
and there are laws against enciting riots.

zhan aka net granny ;-)

I think top-posting causes paranoia. You're having way too much fun
and there are laws against enciting riots.

zhan aka net granny ;-)

ahhhh the net granny!!!!! ((((((((((((((((huge hug))))))))))))))

".......
Well I see. So I am to assume that the "brown shirts" were Jewish
people?........."
No they were not Jewish.
Try a google search for German brown shirts,
also you might find this of interest if you really want to know more about
Hitler.

http://ca.geocities.com/john9seguin/nostra7.htm

--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk

"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
. com...

As if it isn't bad enough that your family tree has no branches, Tennessee,
but now this?



Now what???????????? As for my family tree having no branches, speak for
yourself. I am as I always have explained, not ashamed of my heritage. I am
Scotch-Irish/Cherokee-Apache-German (my biological father was 100% German by
the name of Swaggle or Svagle or Svagel or however the guy spelled it. A
freaking sailor who was in port New Orleans in 1952 and met my biological
mother who was living there at the time. They hooked up, he knocked her up
and offered to marry her and she declined when she discovered he had a wife
and son back in the mudder land. It had nothing to do with him being
German. The rest of the linage was more or less what I just said. I was
raised in Nashville by Christian people who were prejudiced. And bigoted.
But I aspired to be better than that, and it was also the enlightened years
of the late fifties and sixties.



I despise the Clan because I had some family who were IN the clan. I hated
what they stood for by the time I knew of them. My mother's prejudiced was
learned and based on fear she never realized. My dad's was just pure
Southern learned bigotry. But in the same breath, he didn't hate people of
colors, he just had an attitude about them and mixing. He didn't even like
me having black friends in school when my school was already integrated.
Nashville, the Athens of the South as it was known as when I was growing up
there. And I lived in the middle class suburbs. I didn't even know what
Jewish people were until my dad worked for a boss that was Jewish and he was
a really nice man. My information was based on what I was taught in high
school in my world history class by a WWII vet who'd decided to be a teacher
after he got out of the service and thru Belmont College.

If he gave us misleading information it wasn't the first time nor will it be
the last. Everything isn't taught in schools anymore sad to say. I didn't
know or care to debate the correct information. I was being raised by a
woman whose brother was killed during the war serving under General Patton
and blown up in his tank. She didn't even get her hatred right. She didn't
hate Germans, she hated Japanese people........I never figured that one out
and didn't try. I didn't have a problem with anyone other than bullies and
assholes. And they came in all colors and nationalities. And they still do.



So you sympathize with the Brown Shirts, eh?

How can you presume to accuse me of this when I really don't know what the
brown shirts WERE???? And who the hell are you to accuse me of something
when you can't base it on anything I've said other than misinformation? You
have a lotta damn nerve Steve. I see you have intelligence concerning
plants, and you have one helluva dry wit, and most times I see the humor
when others just get ****ed. And I'm not even ****ed at you. And you'll
NEVER run me off by things you say. Because you don't know me. You're just
poking at me trying to get a rise outa me. You remind me of the guy who sat
behind me in Junior high and tormented me every chance he got and since his
name was one letter off of my last name, I was plagued by him 6 out of 7
classes all thru junior high. I despised that asshole. Only when I got into
high school was I given some relief, and even then I had to endure him on
the school bus to and from school. There were times I walked the mile and
half just to get away from him.

I have since grown up, matured and gotten past assholes like him. And like
you pretend to be. You like to sling shit at people to see if it sticks. Not
this woman. You gotta be better than that, and considering what I've gone
thru in my short but chaotic life, you haven't the ammunition to even wing
or wound me. The really sad thing is I have no reason to be upset and
****ed because your anger is aimed at me. Are you just ****ed at me because
I don't know? I need to get you to understand one thing......I didn't go to
college. I graduated high school by the skin of my teeth because I wasn't
interested in higher education at the time. But it didn't mean that I was
stupid or unwilling. I just didn't know any better. And I have continued to
learn every day. Paghat educated me about Hitler in HER post and I didn't
know what she revealed until I read it today.

Hitler had all the Brown Shirt thugs killed when he seized power and didn't
need them anymore.

Well I see. So I am to assume that the "brown shirts" were Jewish people? I
had no idea they were called that. I just didn't pay attention. I only know
that millions of them were slaughtered for no reason, and even today our
schools aren't reminding children of the atrocities of this crime in a lot
of the classrooms.

Another example of honor among thieves (and thugs).

There is no honor among thieves and thugs.

Your washing the sheets for the KKK, doesn't get all the blood off your
hands.

I don't claim to wash the sheets for the Clan and I certainly don't have any
blood on MY hands. A bitten dog barks, and it sounds like you have something
to hide or be ashamed of in YOUR closet there boyo. I've never harmed a
human being my whole life and with exception to the man who donated his
sperm to make me, of which I haven't a clue what HE'S done in his life, I am
spot free of that accusation. You're throwing shit again and I refuse to
let it get on me. In fact, when I said goodbye, I meant I would no longer
respond to you. but seeing these words inspired me to answer you one last
time. After this you still exist, but there is nothing you can say to me
here on the newsgroup that will get a response from me. You're wasting your
time with me and need to swing your poisoned attentions to someone else.
Direct your venom and hatred towards someone who truely can benefit from it.
I love too many people and life to be bothered by the likes of what you
pretend to be.

I hope you aren't this bitter and mean spirited in real life as you appear
to be. If you are, it's a sad thing and I feel sorry for you. You speak as
if you disdane from having friends or anyone close and with the attitudes
you exibit here on the newsgroup, I don't wonder if you are lonely and have
no friends. Keep this up and you'll die alone and no one will mourn your
loss. I put thee away, you will no longer get a response from me ever
again.

Marilyn the madgardener

"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
. com...

As if it isn't bad enough that your family tree has no branches, Tennessee,
but now this?



Now what???????????? As for my family tree having no branches, speak for
yourself. I am as I always have explained, not ashamed of my heritage. I am
Scotch-Irish/Cherokee-Apache-German (my biological father was 100% German by
the name of Swaggle or Svagle or Svagel or however the guy spelled it. A
freaking sailor who was in port New Orleans in 1952 and met my biological
mother who was living there at the time. They hooked up, he knocked her up
and offered to marry her and she declined when she discovered he had a wife
and son back in the mudder land. It had nothing to do with him being
German. The rest of the linage was more or less what I just said. I was
raised in Nashville by Christian people who were prejudiced. And bigoted.
But I aspired to be better than that, and it was also the enlightened years
of the late fifties and sixties.



I despise the Clan because I had some family who were IN the clan. I hated
what they stood for by the time I knew of them. My mother's prejudiced was
learned and based on fear she never realized. My dad's was just pure
Southern learned bigotry. But in the same breath, he didn't hate people of
colors, he just had an attitude about them and mixing. He didn't even like
me having black friends in school when my school was already integrated.
Nashville, the Athens of the South as it was known as when I was growing up
there. And I lived in the middle class suburbs. I didn't even know what
Jewish people were until my dad worked for a boss that was Jewish and he was
a really nice man. My information was based on what I was taught in high
school in my world history class by a WWII vet who'd decided to be a teacher
after he got out of the service and thru Belmont College.

If he gave us misleading information it wasn't the first time nor will it be
the last. Everything isn't taught in schools anymore sad to say. I didn't
know or care to debate the correct information. I was being raised by a
woman whose brother was killed during the war serving under General Patton
and blown up in his tank. She didn't even get her hatred right. She didn't
hate Germans, she hated Japanese people........I never figured that one out
and didn't try. I didn't have a problem with anyone other than bullies and
assholes. And they came in all colors and nationalities. And they still do.



So you sympathize with the Brown Shirts, eh?

How can you presume to accuse me of this when I really don't know what the
brown shirts WERE???? And who the hell are you to accuse me of something
when you can't base it on anything I've said other than misinformation? You
have a lotta damn nerve Steve. I see you have intelligence concerning
plants, and you have one helluva dry wit, and most times I see the humor
when others just get ****ed. And I'm not even ****ed at you. And you'll
NEVER run me off by things you say. Because you don't know me. You're just
poking at me trying to get a rise outa me. You remind me of the guy who sat
behind me in Junior high and tormented me every chance he got and since his
name was one letter off of my last name, I was plagued by him 6 out of 7
classes all thru junior high. I despised that asshole. Only when I got into
high school was I given some relief, and even then I had to endure him on
the school bus to and from school. There were times I walked the mile and
half just to get away from him.

I have since grown up, matured and gotten past assholes like him. And like
you pretend to be. You like to sling shit at people to see if it sticks. Not
this woman. You gotta be better than that, and considering what I've gone
thru in my short but chaotic life, you haven't the ammunition to even wing
or wound me. The really sad thing is I have no reason to be upset and
****ed because your anger is aimed at me. Are you just ****ed at me because
I don't know? I need to get you to understand one thing......I didn't go to
college. I graduated high school by the skin of my teeth because I wasn't
interested in higher education at the time. But it didn't mean that I was
stupid or unwilling. I just didn't know any better. And I have continued to
learn every day. Paghat educated me about Hitler in HER post and I didn't
know what she revealed until I read it today.

Hitler had all the Brown Shirt thugs killed when he seized power and didn't
need them anymore.

Well I see. So I am to assume that the "brown shirts" were Jewish people? I
had no idea they were called that. I just didn't pay attention. I only know
that millions of them were slaughtered for no reason, and even today our
schools aren't reminding children of the atrocities of this crime in a lot
of the classrooms.

Another example of honor among thieves (and thugs).

There is no honor among thieves and thugs.

Your washing the sheets for the KKK, doesn't get all the blood off your
hands.

I don't claim to wash the sheets for the Clan and I certainly don't have any
blood on MY hands. A bitten dog barks, and it sounds like you have something
to hide or be ashamed of in YOUR closet there boyo. I've never harmed a
human being my whole life and with exception to the man who donated his
sperm to make me, of which I haven't a clue what HE'S done in his life, I am
spot free of that accusation. You're throwing shit again and I refuse to
let it get on me. In fact, when I said goodbye, I meant I would no longer
respond to you. but seeing these words inspired me to answer you one last
time. After this you still exist, but there is nothing you can say to me
here on the newsgroup that will get a response from me. You're wasting your
time with me and need to swing your poisoned attentions to someone else.
Direct your venom and hatred towards someone who truely can benefit from it.
I love too many people and life to be bothered by the likes of what you
pretend to be.

I hope you aren't this bitter and mean spirited in real life as you appear
to be. If you are, it's a sad thing and I feel sorry for you. You speak as
if you disdane from having friends or anyone close and with the attitudes
you exibit here on the newsgroup, I don't wonder if you are lonely and have
no friends. Keep this up and you'll die alone and no one will mourn your
loss. I put thee away, you will no longer get a response from me ever
again.

Marilyn the madgardener

"paghat" wrote in message
news
lots of good information snipped for
space
Not that anyone with a modicum of education won't already know this,
and I had no idea as I am only high school educated and misinformed to boot.
(if yer talking to me Paggers)

Stinker though you can be, I'd like to continue to believe you're not
intentionally echoing this old whopper because you personally (like most
proponents of this myth) hate Jews & delight in pretending a Jew
orchestrated the holocaust for the benefit of Jews.

I am a stinker sometimes but I'm NOT intentionally echoing the whopper
because I DON'T hate ANYONE (only child molesters and child murderers). I
don't delight or pretend to delight in the myth that Hitler was Jewish. I
was taught that in junior high school and never knew otherwise until you
educated me today. Of which I appreciate and am grateful. Besides, I also
love Zhanataya and she's Jewish!! g More than anything Cereroid has his
drawers in a wad to go after me and make snide remarks about my family tree
and blood on my hands. He's sadly misinformed and could use a hug. Or six.
He sounds neglected. and mean spirited. I've chosen to ignore him by never
responding again to him EVER.

For basics that you
can count on, you might Ian Kershaw's biography of Hitler if you want in
the future to repeat random "actualies" that have some actuality behind
them.
I'd prefer to actually just leave the topic alone and for those that enjoy
such banter. I'd much rather talk about horticulture, fairies, flowers,
music and such GBSEG: thanks for informing me Paggers.

-paghat the jews' kid
well there you go, and you weren't ****ed because I as misinformed now,
were you? someone needs to hand Cereoid a doober to calm him
down...........
madgardener

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/

"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
. com...

As if it isn't bad enough that your family tree has no branches, Tennessee,
but now this?



Now what???????????? As for my family tree having no branches, speak for
yourself. I am as I always have explained, not ashamed of my heritage. I am
Scotch-Irish/Cherokee-Apache-German (my biological father was 100% German by
the name of Swaggle or Svagle or Svagel or however the guy spelled it. A
freaking sailor who was in port New Orleans in 1952 and met my biological
mother who was living there at the time. They hooked up, he knocked her up
and offered to marry her and she declined when she discovered he had a wife
and son back in the mudder land. It had nothing to do with him being
German. The rest of the linage was more or less what I just said. I was
raised in Nashville by Christian people who were prejudiced. And bigoted.
But I aspired to be better than that, and it was also the enlightened years
of the late fifties and sixties.



I despise the Clan because I had some family who were IN the clan. I hated
what they stood for by the time I knew of them. My mother's prejudiced was
learned and based on fear she never realized. My dad's was just pure
Southern learned bigotry. But in the same breath, he didn't hate people of
colors, he just had an attitude about them and mixing. He didn't even like
me having black friends in school when my school was already integrated.
Nashville, the Athens of the South as it was known as when I was growing up
there. And I lived in the middle class suburbs. I didn't even know what
Jewish people were until my dad worked for a boss that was Jewish and he was
a really nice man. My information was based on what I was taught in high
school in my world history class by a WWII vet who'd decided to be a teacher
after he got out of the service and thru Belmont College.

If he gave us misleading information it wasn't the first time nor will it be
the last. Everything isn't taught in schools anymore sad to say. I didn't
know or care to debate the correct information. I was being raised by a
woman whose brother was killed during the war serving under General Patton
and blown up in his tank. She didn't even get her hatred right. She didn't
hate Germans, she hated Japanese people........I never figured that one out
and didn't try. I didn't have a problem with anyone other than bullies and
assholes. And they came in all colors and nationalities. And they still do.



So you sympathize with the Brown Shirts, eh?

How can you presume to accuse me of this when I really don't know what the
brown shirts WERE???? And who the hell are you to accuse me of something
when you can't base it on anything I've said other than misinformation? You
have a lotta damn nerve Steve. I see you have intelligence concerning
plants, and you have one helluva dry wit, and most times I see the humor
when others just get ****ed. And I'm not even ****ed at you. And you'll
NEVER run me off by things you say. Because you don't know me. You're just
poking at me trying to get a rise outa me. You remind me of the guy who sat
behind me in Junior high and tormented me every chance he got and since his
name was one letter off of my last name, I was plagued by him 6 out of 7
classes all thru junior high. I despised that asshole. Only when I got into
high school was I given some relief, and even then I had to endure him on
the school bus to and from school. There were times I walked the mile and
half just to get away from him.

I have since grown up, matured and gotten past assholes like him. And like
you pretend to be. You like to sling shit at people to see if it sticks. Not
this woman. You gotta be better than that, and considering what I've gone
thru in my short but chaotic life, you haven't the ammunition to even wing
or wound me. The really sad thing is I have no reason to be upset and
****ed because your anger is aimed at me. Are you just ****ed at me because
I don't know? I need to get you to understand one thing......I didn't go to
college. I graduated high school by the skin of my teeth because I wasn't
interested in higher education at the time. But it didn't mean that I was
stupid or unwilling. I just didn't know any better. And I have continued to
learn every day. Paghat educated me about Hitler in HER post and I didn't
know what she revealed until I read it today.

Hitler had all the Brown Shirt thugs killed when he seized power and didn't
need them anymore.

Well I see. So I am to assume that the "brown shirts" were Jewish people? I
had no idea they were called that. I just didn't pay attention. I only know
that millions of them were slaughtered for no reason, and even today our
schools aren't reminding children of the atrocities of this crime in a lot
of the classrooms.

Another example of honor among thieves (and thugs).

There is no honor among thieves and thugs.

Your washing the sheets for the KKK, doesn't get all the blood off your
hands.

I don't claim to wash the sheets for the Clan and I certainly don't have any
blood on MY hands. A bitten dog barks, and it sounds like you have something
to hide or be ashamed of in YOUR closet there boyo. I've never harmed a
human being my whole life and with exception to the man who donated his
sperm to make me, of which I haven't a clue what HE'S done in his life, I am
spot free of that accusation. You're throwing shit again and I refuse to
let it get on me. In fact, when I said goodbye, I meant I would no longer
respond to you. but seeing these words inspired me to answer you one last
time. After this you still exist, but there is nothing you can say to me
here on the newsgroup that will get a response from me. You're wasting your
time with me and need to swing your poisoned attentions to someone else.
Direct your venom and hatred towards someone who truely can benefit from it.
I love too many people and life to be bothered by the likes of what you
pretend to be.

I hope you aren't this bitter and mean spirited in real life as you appear
to be. If you are, it's a sad thing and I feel sorry for you. You speak as
if you disdane from having friends or anyone close and with the attitudes
you exibit here on the newsgroup, I don't wonder if you are lonely and have
no friends. Keep this up and you'll die alone and no one will mourn your
loss. I put thee away, you will no longer get a response from me ever
again.

Marilyn the madgardener