In article , "Frank Logullo"
wrote:

I did have a dead crow in the back yard early in the epidemic. The
state wanted these deaths called in to check for disease but the wild life
agent was lazy and said he was busy and then a day later said he would only
pick up if crow was refrigerated - it was July. At any rate he said you
cannot catch virus from dead bird.
Frank

Sorry for your encounter with a typical lazyass couldn't-care-less badguy.

Though there is no possibility of dead birds per se infecting anyone with
WNV, parasites on the bird just might be able to transfer the disease. It
is believed the disease reaching certain hawk populations because of a
tendency to scavenge dead birds & having infected bloodsucking parasites
transfer to a new host. Humans get it from mosquitos & mosquitos can
transfer it from any number of mammals or birds to humans. So though I
don't think it has been studied, it's at least a credible hypothesis that
contact with infected parasites could provide a mild threat to humans.
There are several other zoonotic diseases for which parasites are
intermediate carriers.

In some regions, most dead crows that get analyzed did have the virus as
cause of death, but for birds more broadly, analysis of thousands of
corpses shows the primary cause of death generally to be pesticides.

-paghat

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/

In my experience the disease has done nothing to diminish the presence of
these pests in my neighborhood.
FYI, I did have a dead crow in the back yard early in the epidemic. The
state wanted these deaths called in to check for disease but the wild life
agent was lazy and said he was busy and then a day later said he would only
pick up if crow was refrigerated - it was July. At any rate he said you
cannot catch virus from dead bird.
Frank

In article paghat-2601031145330001
@soggy72.drizzle.com,
says...
In some regions, most dead crows that get analyzed did have the virus as
cause of death, but for birds more broadly, analysis of thousands of
corpses shows the primary cause of death generally to be pesticides.



There is a governmental graph floating around out there
that came out I believe 2000, maybe 1999 that had a
break down of bird mortality for N America and lists
death by many natural occurring pathogens (Avian
botulism, avian cholera, Salmonellosis and now WNV would
also be in that group) far out numbered the other
causes. Second was lead poisoning/heavy metal poisoning
from hunting-fishing and pollutants (industry-farming)
and then pesticide/pesticide pollutants followed by
hunting/impact trauma (communication towers, hunting,
windows of homes, electrocution). The data was from
several agencies in U.S, Canada, Mexico and I believe it
was over 600,000 carcasses.
--
A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock
will prevent you from rolling over and going back
to sleep.


Lar. (to e-mail, get rid of the BUGS!!

cited the worst case yet
reported in the east as a harbinger of worse to come,

Listen lady (or is it Chicken Little, "the crows are falling, the crows are
falling"), while I will yield to you on your knowledge of trailer parks in
Oregon, you really should suck it up and admit that your illogical and
unquestioning belief in the two references that you cite- the eradication of
crows in the DC area is patently false.

Oh, you really should check your posts, it's Intarsiaco, but you can call me
Mark, debunker of Paghat, user of a process called logic.

madgard wrote:


That would be a "Murder of Crows"........is the correct descriptive word for
a large number of them....................if you ever saw them in hot
pursuit of an owl, you'd understand the symbolism.


I had no idea that it's called a "Murder of Crows". I do know what that
means, since I've seen so many in hot pursuit of young hawks and such -
it even happened last Wednesday.

Suja

In article ,
(IntarsiaCo) wrote:

cited the worst case yet
reported in the east as a harbinger of worse to come,

Listen lady (or is it Chicken Little, "the crows are falling, the crows are
falling"), while I will yield to you on your knowledge of trailer parks in
Oregon, you really should suck it up and admit that your illogical and
unquestioning belief in the two references that you cite- the eradication of
crows in the DC area is patently false.

In summer of 2002, the DC Health Department had 65 to 110 people PER DAY
turning over dead crows from Northeast Washington DC, virtually all of
them from Ward 3 and Ward 5. Hundreds of the corpses were given over to
Cornell University, which did the bloodwork to establish conclusively that
the sudden mass die-off was caused by West Nile Virus, which the crow
population had lived with for several years before this, thus indicating
an accumulative effect in a long-infected population. Last year when I
posted this incontrovertible occurrence, I asked what all the scientists
are asking, is this a foreshadowing of the future for crows across
America. For reasons known only to you, you lost your cookies & behaved
irrationally over this. You are still behaving irrationally. Since the
problem is at its height in summer & early autumn, new assessments won't
really be possible until summer 2003. I would like the DC phenomenon to
NOT be recurring in other regions, but to date there is no reason to
suppose anything unique about the DC population except the length of time
infected.

Your attempt to infer these findings are mine, & to debunk me personally,
show nothing except that you are a complete loon. Those are the facts that
NO ONE with a capacity to reason can deny, because that's what happened.
Period. The situation may change with time, but what occurred in DC in
summer of 2002 is history & nothing short of time travel will change it.

To be more precise, nothing short of time travel will change it, you dumb ****.

You've certainly NEVER provided one iota of information that would place
even slight doubt on the research from Cornell Univeristy (which they
updated in Otober 2002 resulting in fresh wire service articles at that
time, including those I cited last year from Washington Post & on NPR)
about the mass die-off in Brookland. If you COULD debunk this it would
have very little to do with me -- rather, you'd be outwitting scientists
at Cornell University, at the National Zoo, the Animal Disease Prevention
Division of DC's Department of Health, & the space/time continuum. Reason
alone indicates you cannot do this; your nutty posts show conclusively you
haven't. You certainly never even come close by mere insane pronouncements
about how amateur phone-in citings elsewhere in the nation debunk
neighborhood-specific information out of Cornell. Your one & only citation
proved nothing but that your craziness is boundless, when you finally
shared a "source" for your outbursts, vis, the crow-hating gun-nuts in
upstate New York despised by everyone but you. In your putrescent mind the
horrible acts of gun-nuts in upstate New York has some direct baring on
what happened in Brookland last year, & cancels out that bit of history.

It appears that you had a mini-psychotic break & acted it out by posting
my name as a thread title to get attention. Your twisted emotional state
had no more logic, source, or information beyond that of your simply
acting out inappropriately. You had a weird response to well-sourced facts
given in evidence last October, when you first made a fool of yourself
denying reality, & you have brooded on it like an insane dork ever since,
finally erupting anew in your ignorant, baseless, & laughable manner.

Oh, you really should check your posts, it's Intarsiaco, but you can call me
Mark, debunker of Paghat, user of a process called logic.

Now now, InnerAnalCo. Remember, you provided clear examples of your idea
of "logic," vis, a few crow-hating gun-nuts slaughtering crows in upstate
New York & some random call-in sightings of crows throughout middle
america, to you, directly impacts & changes conditions in northeast DC.

So even you must know full well that logic is beyond your capacity,
irrationality being your only hallmark. All you have to keep you going is
your anger at sundry people, at me at the moment, apparently also at
crows, probably displaced anger over things from your life, which your
out-of-left-field interest in trailer parks may give us a clue
regarding. Since you're the same guy alleging that a chintzy pegboard
chair with small plastic rollers affixed to the legs is a superior
replacement for an actual wheelchair, it wouldn't be too surprising if
this was designed to fit into your equally crappy trailer house. Yes, that
much is logical. Disabled individuals who sadly can't afford a real house
being likewise stuck with one of your disgustingly inadadequate
wheelchairs -- what a nightmare image.

The closest you've come to "logic" is your manner of exemplifying how
fools behave foolishly. You have revealed repeatedly your incapacity to
grasp simple elements of reality, without which logic will remain always
beyond your reach, & you will end up as in the present instance descending
into increasing lunacy, including revelations of your delight in the
attempted destruction of a famous well-studied rookery by a few insane
assholes with shotguns, who exmplify your ideal for the treatment of
crows. Any other animals you hate beyond reason? Besides sweet ratties
that is.

If the day ever comes that you have something substantial to offer on this
or any topic, it won't have to posture as debunkery. Actual information
is actual information & requires no needy shouts for Paghat's attention.
Laughable though I find you, I seriously am sorry your ego was so
flattened you needed to pretend your bunk could debunk anyone, whether me
or Cornell University.

-paghat the ratgirl

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/

Now now dearie, didn't your momma and poppa teach you that it is not polite to
call people names, normal humans give that up sometime around puberty.
You really need to find some purpose in life besides self edification and
pomposity. There is still time for you to earn your spot on the planet, even
someone with your minimal talent can be taught to be productive.
The bottom line dreary, crows were not extirpated in DC, nor NY, nor CT, nor
MA, nor DE, nor NJ, nor MD, nor VA, nor NC, from personal observation.
I feel sorry for you, please go back to taking your meds, they will help. It
sure is fun toying with you, probably unfair given your severe limitations.
Oh, that chair is used quite successfully in early intervention programs, it is
not a wheelchair. But then again, what do you know?

In article ,
(IntarsiaCo) wrote:

Now now dearie, didn't your momma and poppa teach you that it is not polite to
call people names, normal humans give that up sometime around puberty.
You really need to find some purpose in life besides self edification and
pomposity. There is still time for you to earn your spot on the planet, even
someone with your minimal talent can be taught to be productive.
The bottom line dreary, crows were not extirpated in DC, nor NY, nor CT, nor
MA, nor DE, nor NJ, nor MD, nor VA, nor NC, from personal observation.
I feel sorry for you, please go back to taking your meds, they will help. It
sure is fun toying with you, probably unfair given your severe limitations.
Oh, that chair is used quite successfully in early intervention
programs, it is
not a wheelchair. But then again, what do you know?

Thanks for the spam. You left out your actual company slogan "Fail your
way to success!" Too bad that is all you have instead of scientific
support for your bold claims of medical value to your lowgrade products.
If making money by hornswoggling high prices for your failures is your
idea of failing your way to success, well gawwwwwd damn, is that your
admission of criminality?

And since you are reliant on people a great many of whom actually ARE "on
meds" to make your livelihood, we find here that your estimation of people
with medical needs is so low that insulting your betters with the "Take
your meds!" cliche is your formost recourse when you find as usual you
cannot grasp the rudiments of science or reason.

It's bad enough you make harmlessly stupid claims against science, but you
also make baseless medical claims in order to sell worthless junk to
people with actual needs. Unforgiveable.

Your intellectual leap to "Take your meds! Take your meds!" is something
NO ONE who was HONESTLY qualified to sell "therapy" to the disabled would
ever resort to -- I might call you a retardo but probably not if I were
raising a retarded child, & I might take delight in noting you're crazy
gimp who needs his meds dosage upped -- but probably not if I were someone
whose profession had much to do with delivering therapy to people in
physical or mental crisis. Too bad you can't even PRETEND to have respect
for those you are reliant on for an income.

So pardon me if I doubt there is even a slight basis to your false boast
of providing ANYthing of ANY therapeutic value to ANYone. You sell
snakeoil, & the vaguely chair-shaped easy-to-dash-together
pegboard-box-with-bolted-on-casters is just the most obvious of your
scoundrally flimflam "health" & "therapy" offerings for which you provide
no evidence of proven value..

Look at this piece of shit folks:
http://www.therapyshapes.com/CHAIR.3.jpg
Imagine trying to get around a home, school, or office in THAT one!
Some trivial values might be found for such a cheezy-looking device if one
looked hard enough (or needed a hook to hang your hammer), & didn't expect
much else. But instead it gets sold under the banner of "therapy" &
alleged to be successful for "early intervention." Just a hoodwinker
claiming medical values where none are present.

So what ARE your medical qualifications, InnerAnalCo? Finishing the
Matchbook School of Carpentry won't fill the bill. I view you as a
flimflam man taking advantage of the disabled, especially those who cannot
afford quality healthcare equipment, who would likely be that same trailer
court crowd you previously demeaned. So you arrive with your snakeoil to
profit on others' desperation. "Take your meds!" squawked the flimflam
man. "Take your meds!" -- typical of someone who would misrepresent their
boxy pegboard chair as "therapy" capable of "intervention." Invervention
of what? Your victims' pocketbooks? You'd reduce a disabled kid to a
"cripple-in-a-box" thereafter needing even further "assistance" of still
other bogus products merely to move half an inch in any direction.

So you call trapping someone inside a pegboard box "therapy" in your
sorryass advertisements & "intervention" in your snakeoil salesman's
dream. Where exactly did you get your medical degrees & physical
therapist's training? At which teaching & research institutes did your
pegboard chair undergo testing for these imaginary "therapy" &
"intervention" uses? In what scientific publications are the peer-reviewed
outcomes to be found, showing the basis for your claims of "intervention"
& "therapy" for ugly pegboard boxes bolted to coasters? These'd be cute if
you made them for your pet spider monkey double-amputee in order to get on
Animal Planet, but not to claim therapeutic virtues.

Give me the citations. I would love to be wrong on this one, because being
right means I also have to know you victimize the disabled, & that's
tragic. You couldn't prove Cornell wrong about crows with your whinging &
lying, but perhaps you can lay to rest my strong belief that you are a
vampire victimizing the disabled, & doing so with even less authority than
you possess while you're pretending to debunk Cornell WNV research. If
your pegboard chair has been proven to possess even moderate therapeutic
value of any kind, then there ARE published peer-reviewed studies that
show this. Just tell me where to find them & I will read them & report
back exactly what they say. I'll accept even the tiniest statistically
significance proving any value whatsoever of any kind, & admit thereafter
it at least gives you legal backing for your exaggerations, but it HAS to
be peer reviewed science or it's nothing but your groundless salespitch.

If your pegboard-box-on-coasters has the therapeutic value you allege,
then the independent studies proving it will be easy to cite. If it's a
groundless assertion for a worthless product, there'll be nothing to cite.
Peer-reviewed scientific journals only, please, not testimonials from
third-rate bone-manipulators to whom you give deep discounts to induce
them to help you sell crapola. Give me the scientific citations that prove
your pegboard boxes' efficacy as "therapy & intervention" -- because so
far it looks to me like this is a patently worthless piece of equipment
that has only your snakeoil sales pitches to support it. Actually USEFUL
up-to-date wheelchairs are expensive & an almost-affordable alternative
might be sad to settle for, but it could be argued that low-grade
alternatives for the impoverished do serve a purpose in a country where
quality healthcare is often pay-as-you-go, & for some it has to be
low-quality alternatives or nothing at all. But to put on top of that
stopgap situation unfounded medical claims of therapy & intervention,
whew, that's downright evil.

Because you make medical & healthcare claims, I believe that qualifies you
as a medical fraud & profiteer standing completely outside trained &
accredited health professions. So it is quite natural for you, in a
name-calling mood, to assume anyone you are mad at is appropriately
alluded to in a medical context as worthless. That's what you think of
your own "customers" (or victims) for the Magical Pegboard Box Cure, so it
comes easy for you to tell your betters to go take their meds -- at least
you keep yourself in clear context, but too bad for your customers you
can't even drum up a little pretended respect & not use their situations
to name-call your betters.

You've shown yourself incapable of comprehending simple science, & willing
to dissimilate when science won't support you. So you damned sure ain't no
therapist doing intervention with your magic pegboard box. I see you as a
flimflam man sucking vampirishly at gullible individuals within the
disabled community, always hoping to sell yet another worthless boxy chair
made of pegboard & mounted on four crappy little coasters that'd have
trouble even getting over a spot of gum, while in your spare time you
praise gun-nuts out to destroy rookeries & weasil your way around a
Cornell study in Brookland by making sweeping claims about North Carolina
& anywhere else -- without even knowing one thing about North Carolina
either, you're such a complete fraud. Maybe next you'll throw something
out there about Antarctica & see if that one floats, lacking as you do
capacity even for the marginally sensible.

And I have no doubt whatsoever that your expertise in "therapy &
intervention" is no greater than your expertise on crows in North Carolina
(or anywhere else) that you toss out blithely with no basis of knowledge.
Prove me wrong by citing the peer-reviewed studies supporting this wild
claim of yours that a pegboard box on little coasters has therapeutic
value. Show me the evidence it was independently tested & proven to have
any value whatsoever. I have fairly quick access to the University of
Washington Health Sciences Library so don't go fabricating in your usual
manner, I can & will check any citation you can provide.

And this is something the disabled community should really be informed of
-- you using the conditions of people in need of medical assistance to
name-call your betters is bad enough for someone professionally reliant on
just such people for an income. It shows your complete lack of interest in
anything but the pocketbooks of those people. It's something your
victim-base should know more about.

"Fail your way to success" indeed. Absolutely pathetic. You therapy claims
appear to be permanently in failure mode.

-paghat the ratgirl

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/

"paghat" wrote in message
news
Though there is no possibility of dead birds per se infecting anyone with
WNV, parasites on the bird just might be able to transfer the disease. It
is believed the disease reaching certain hawk populations because of a
tendency to scavenge dead birds & having infected bloodsucking parasites
transfer to a new host. Humans get it from mosquitos & mosquitos can
transfer it from any number of mammals or birds to humans. So though I
don't think it has been studied, it's at least a credible hypothesis that
contact with infected parasites could provide a mild threat to humans.
There are several other zoonotic diseases for which parasites are
intermediate carriers.


Please provide the source of the info about parasites (other than mosquitos)
transmitting WNV in hawk populations. I believe there are 36 species of
mosquito in the US known to carry WNV but have not yet seen mention of other
parasites.
Thanks.

karen

In article ,
ess says...
Please provide the source of the info about parasites (other than mosquitos)
transmitting WNV in hawk populations. I believe there are 36 species of
mosquito in the US known to carry WNV but have not yet seen mention of other
parasites.

These two articles don't state that it is another
parasite, but it does make say hmmmmmm...I would think
close net lifestyle of crows would make it very possible
for lice or bird flea or even larger insects like
conenose bugs that will inhabit bird nests of ratures to
be a possibility as another vector.

From an article by a rapture rehabilitator
http://www.cah.com/library/wnvrapt.html

It's possible the virus has mutated, becoming more
likely to cause illness and death. Perhaps raptors in
the East and South were protected by exposure to another
virus closely related to West Nile. Or perhaps another
species of mosquito, or another insect entirely that
prefers to feed on raptors, has picked up the virus.
There has also been speculation that raptors are
not being infected by mosquitoes, but by exposure to the
flesh and blood of infected prey. That would seem
consistent with recent findings that the virus can be
transmitted between humans in donated organs and blood.
Redig said the experimental work has not been done
to prove it, but Gibson is convinced that mosquitoes are
not vital to the cycle of West Nile infection.
She says a crippled bald eagle she uses as a
foster parent to orphaned eagles became West Nile- -
positive after feeding infected younger birds. The large
flight room where they were kept was netted against
mosquitoes.
And when some of the 30 orphaned common terns she
was caring for began dying, she sent their organs off
for West Nile testing. All were negative at first.
But on Wednesday, her phone rang with word that the
single tern brain sent to the lab has tested positive
for West Nile.
"Damn!" Gibson says. "We gave the terns West
Nile." The terns, endangered in Wisconsin, had been kept
on a porch double-netted against mosquitoes. But Gibson
had been hand-feeding them, and she's convinced, despite
her infection control efforts, that she transmitted the
virus from the ailing raptors to the previously healthy
young terns.

From a press release from the US Geological Survey

http://www.cfe.cornell.edu/erap/WNV/WNV-LArchive/10-26-
00.html

Scientists from the U.S. Geological Survey said
today that the West Nile Virus can be transmitted from
bird-to-bird in a confined laboratory setting. It had
been thought that the virus was only transmitted through
mosquito bites.

Scientists from the USGS National Wildlife Health Center
in Madison, Wisc., placed infected birds in the same
biocontainment (BL3) aviary as healthy birds. The
infected birds died five to eight days later. Most of
the healthy birds, the researchers found, also became
ill from the virus and died five to eight days after the
first infected bird died. ........
........"Now we're not sure how it moved: by mouth, by
preening, did the birds shed the virus in their feces?
We're not sure," he said. "But by keeping the infected
and healthy birds together in close contact, we really
maximized the potential that this bird-to-bird
transmission could take place. Now we know it did and we
want to figure out how."






--
A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock
will prevent you from rolling over and going back
to sleep.


Lar. (to e-mail, get rid of the BUGS!!

Thanks for the link, Lar. This is speculation, then, rather than research. I
was aware of other multiple hazards. I'm trying to keep up with all the info
on WNV because I keep several birds outside in summer. Have to take steps to
protect them.

karen

"Lar" wrote in message
. ..
In article ,
ess says...
Please provide the source of the info about parasites (other than
mosquitos)
transmitting WNV in hawk populations. I believe there are 36 species
of
mosquito in the US known to carry WNV but have not yet seen mention of
other
parasites.

These two articles don't state that it is another
parasite, but it does make say hmmmmmm...I would think
close net lifestyle of crows would make it very possible
for lice or bird flea or even larger insects like
conenose bugs that will inhabit bird nests of ratures to
be a possibility as another vector.

From an article by a rapture rehabilitator
http://www.cah.com/library/wnvrapt.html

Let's see, yesterday we helped to adapt a standing wheelchair for a young lady
with CP so that she can attend college and teach a class on inclusion, devised
and manufactured a device for a 3.5 year old without fingers on one hand to
grasp a hockey stick so that he can play just like his older brother, repaired
a young boys new power chair, initiated design on a walker for a set of
conjoined twins ( we have already supplied/modified a stander, bather and
stroller for them) consulted with the head PT at a major rehab hospital on
seating a large man in a chair that is limited in size due to architectural
constraints, advised a local dealer on how to adapt a 20 inch Jay 2 back into a
22 inch wide chair. We will be reimbursed for one of these tasks. People have
come to us for over 20 years because they trust us to do the right thing. I'm
secure in my skin, what's your function in life, playing with vermin?
Back to the issue ratgirl (why would someone nickname themselves after vermin,
low self esteem perhaps), crows are not exterminated in Brookdale, Eastern
birders know that Brookdale has been a crow roost for at least 50 years, there
are plenty of crows left. You should put your paws on the ground and take a
look see for yourself rather than relying on what you can suck up off the net.
Sure is fun toying with you dearie, seems momma and poppa were quite deficient
in socializing you (I assume they did a better job with the potty training),
good grief lady, even dogs are pack socialized by 8 weeks But then again, your
responses are quite predictable and I'm bored with you now. You require anger
management therapy, please do seek some help. If you can't afford it, I'm sure
that there are local agencies that would be willing to assist.
Ta ta Jessica, I have to get some work done.

In article ,
(IntarsiaCo) wrote:

Let's see, yesterday we helped to adapt a standing wheelchair for a young lady
with CP so that she can attend college and teach a class on inclusion, devised
and manufactured a device for a 3.5 year old without fingers on one hand to
grasp a hockey stick so that he can play just like his older brother, repaired
a young boys new power chair, initiated design on a walker for a set of
conjoined twins ( we have already supplied/modified a stander, bather and
stroller for them) consulted with the head PT at a major rehab hospital on
seating a large man in a chair that is limited in size due to architectural
constraints, advised a local dealer on how to adapt a 20 inch Jay 2 back
into a
22 inch wide chair.

[rest of the spam deleted]

Citations, buster, not lying boasts. Even a heating pad manufacturer could
provide citations for the independent laboratory findings for their
product if asked. Pretty damned revealing that you can't. If your
dangerous ugly pegboard-box-on-coasters had the "therapeutic" &
"intervention" values you so easily lie about, all you had to do was post
the studies that showed this to be true. You didn't. You couldn't. They
don't exist.

Perhaps your sales pitch works on the duped & endangered, that hardly
makes that a good thing. If your point really is that there's a sucker
born every minute, I agree some people are so easily duped by a snakeoil
salesman. So much so they'd even put a thrashing palsied child in a
sharp-edged square box with exposed bolts & other sharp bits.

Your therapeutic claims remain unsubstantiated because, quite obviously,
wholly untrue.

Sure is fun toying with you dearie, seems momma and poppa were quite deficient

Just so long as you enjoy the spankings, great. Pretty odd that you do,
since your credibility in your unsnappy comebacks is so lacking. You
just better hope the mommas & poppas of your customers don't see your
attitude toward persons you would regard as "deficient" -- as in deficient
enough to be tricked into purchasing sharp-edged grotesquely dangerous
products for their equally "deficient" offspring.

I've seen your sort before, selling all sorts of worthless devices with
every conceivable promise of therapeutic & health values, not even one of
them substantiated by anything but the snakeoil pitch & hollow claims.
Until the independent lab & peer-review publications are sited, you remain
manifestly a liar hornswoggling people with actual needs into buying
harmful & unproven substitutes for the real thing.

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/

In article ,
(IntarsiaCo) wrote:

Until the independent lab & peer-review publications are sited

We're regulated by the FDA and CT Department of Consumer Protection know it
all.

Yeh yeh & you have your retailer liscense too, so what. Still waiting for
the SCIENTIFIC citations that provide the basis for your false &
misleading claims of therapeutic & "intervention" values -- other than
your intervention of peoples' bank accounts for misrepresented & dangerous
products.

Look dearie, they counted over 1500 crows in DC (the most of any
species) over

Even if those HAD all been in Ward 3 & 5 of Brookland -- & you've not a
clue one way or the other, do you, dumbass -- which is where the
mass-die-off occurred, & is not deniable by anyone of even moderate
intelligence -- even if 1,500 crows HAD returned to Brookland, your simple
inability to comprehend reality would NOT change the space time continuum
for the situation reported by Cornell & others in 2002. Of course you're
not intelligent enough to tell the difference.

Just as a pegboard box with coasters bolted to the wheel has NONE of the
medical values you allege for it without even slight foundation.

Christmas, you need to admit it and come to terms with that, I know it is a
difficult thing to do in your overwrought state, but I believe you can do it.
Your ego can't be so fragile that this minor admission will do it irreparable
harm, can it?.

You're breaking the irony meter, oh medical flimflam scoundral.

We're all rooting for you.

The royal we I see. I suspected you heard voices in your head.

Now you go, get better, but please do
return when your condition has stabilized and you've become civilized and
housebroken. Have they tried electroshock yet? Perhaps one of those collars
they use on dogs to property train and a loved one to push the button when you
need correction, have they tried clicker training on you yet, you know
it works
on dolphins (uh, not the fish dearie).
More fun, thanks for the free entertainment I really should be paying you for
this.

I'm sure you DO pay for most of your spankings. It's one of the most
common things you guys ask for, dog collar fantasy & all, so it's quite
proper you should be grateful for once to not have to empty your wallet, &
won't be bringing any venerial diseases home to sundry family members &
the dogs this time, so it's comparatively healthier for you to do it this
way.

I jsut feel sorry for all those endangered kids stuck in that horrible
pegboard box by parents fooled by you into believing they have
"therapeutic & intervention" value. Still waiting for those citations
kiddle. Your wiggling & wiggling is meaningless since you can't provide
the scientific studies that show your medical claims for the dangerously
sharp-edged pegboard box have even a slight basis in reality.

-paggers

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/

Until the independent lab & peer-review publications are sited

We're regulated by the FDA and CT Department of Consumer Protection know it
all. As you seem to have some kind of skill in pressing a search button, go
check it out, you have plenty of time on your hands.
That is cited with a c, some editor you are, oh verbose one.
Look dearie, they counted over 1500 crows in DC (the most of any species) over
Christmas, you need to admit it and come to terms with that, I know it is a
difficult thing to do in your overwrought state, but I believe you can do it.
Your ego can't be so fragile that this minor admission will do it irreparable
harm, can it?. We're all rooting for you. Now you go, get better, but please do
return when your condition has stabilized and you've become civilized and
housebroken. Have they tried electroshock yet? Perhaps one of those collars
they use on dogs to property train and a loved one to push the button when you
need correction, have they tried clicker training on you yet, you know it works
on dolphins (uh, not the fish dearie).
More fun, thanks for the free entertainment I really should be paying you for
this.
Going home to let the dogs out to play and sow some seed, can't wait to see
what drivel you come up with next Jess.
Cheers dearie.