On 01/03/2011 12:29 AM, Billy wrote:
In lecomsupplyinc,
"Don wrote:

Summary execution.

Uh-huh. So now your saying laws don't matter? No habeas corpus?
Now we just spout the drivel from the corporate owned news, and hope
they told us the truth.

So what proof do you have that Bradley Manning is guilty, and deserving
of the death penalty? The government seems to waffle between "sabotage",
and "the releases are old news that we know already".

Personally, I find it refreshing to know what really is going on in our
government.

Manning took an oath when he joined the US military, he knew what he
was doing was wrong. He was in a job with high level security clearance
and knew it was illegal for him to take anything. He deserves to be
shot as an example to anyone else who thinks about doing the same
thing. His superior officer or officers who allowed him to take a data
recorder into his job knew it wasn't allowed and they should be tried
and suffer some of the consequences along with Manning.

--
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."
~Winston Churchill

“Islam is the crack cocaine of religion” ~John Bodart

On September 11, 2010 Muslims in England were burning American
flags and calling for the overthrow of the United States. They
call Islam a Religion of Peace, but it's more like a Religion Of
Psychos.

On 01/03/2011 12:34 AM, Billy wrote:
In lecomsupplyinc,
"D. wrote:

Aiding and abetting the enemy in time of war, summary execution.

There are many who think these wars, and maybe even 9/11 itself, was a
crock. So our speaking-out against the war, may be construed as aiding
the enemy as well.

Does free speech no longer exist in this country??

What are we becoming, Don?

What are you an Idiot? With free speech you can say anything you want
but taking classified information and giving it to the world is illegal
and the criminals need to be punished. If people in the US military
could choose what rules they want to uphold or break then the security
of our country is in jeopardy. Terrorist depend on idiots like you to
aid them in their attacks against the US.


"Higgs wrote in message
...
On Jan 2, 10:48 am, "Don wrote:
Summary execution.

It seems nobody is noticing that Assange is not a U.S. Citizen, so
cannot be held to have committed treason against the U.S.

HB


--
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."
~Winston Churchill

“Islam is the crack cocaine of religion” ~John Bodart

On September 11, 2010 Muslims in England were burning American
flags and calling for the overthrow of the United States. They
call Islam a Religion of Peace, but it's more like a Religion Of
Psychos.

On 01/02/2011 02:27 PM, Higgs Boson wrote:
On Jan 2, 10:48 am, "Don wrote:
Summary execution.

It seems nobody is noticing that Assange is not a U.S. Citizen, so
cannot be held to have committed treason against the U.S.

HB

He played a stupid game he should have known was unwinnable.
He should have known what he was doing was wrong.

What was he thinking?

Did he think he was going to be a hero and get ticker tape parades in
his honor?

--
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."
~Winston Churchill

“Islam is the crack cocaine of religion” ~John Bodart

On September 11, 2010 Muslims in England were burning American
flags and calling for the overthrow of the United States. They
call Islam a Religion of Peace, but it's more like a Religion Of
Psychos.

"Don Staples" wrote:
"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article pplyinc,
"D. Staples" wrote:

Aiding and abetting the enemy in time of war, summary execution.

There are many who think these wars, and maybe even 9/11 itself, was a
crock. So our speaking-out against the war, may be construed as aiding
the enemy as well.

Does free speech no longer exist in this country??

What are we becoming, Don?

Gut less cowards who would rather grow roses?

Call me gutless if you want, however I HATE ROSES!

--
Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)

In article ,
Nad R wrote:

"Don Staples" wrote:
"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article pplyinc,
"D. Staples" wrote:

Aiding and abetting the enemy in time of war, summary execution.

There are many who think these wars, and maybe even 9/11 itself, was a
crock. So our speaking-out against the war, may be construed as aiding
the enemy as well.

Does free speech no longer exist in this country??

What are we becoming, Don?

Gut less cowards who would rather grow roses?

Call me gutless if you want, however I HATE ROSES!

While our infrastructure goes south.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...xt=va&aid=5564

Gutless no just lost in duality. Eisenhower warned and Hollywood said
what the hell. We spend more on military than the rest of the world
combined. I'd say go for it but just reinstate the draft only for folks
over 55.

Bill who loves roses especially as Rose Hip Jam.

--
Bill S. Jersey USA zone 5 shade garden

"Always tell the truth and you don't have to remember anything."
--Mark Twain.

In article ,
Mysterious Traveler wrote:

On 01/02/2011 02:27 PM, Higgs Boson wrote:
On Jan 2, 10:48 am, "Don wrote:
Summary execution.

It seems nobody is noticing that Assange is not a U.S. Citizen, so
cannot be held to have committed treason against the U.S.

HB

He played a stupid game he should have known was unwinnable.
He should have known what he was doing was wrong.

What was he thinking?

Did he think he was going to be a hero and get ticker tape parades in
his honor?

What Assange did is no different than what the N.Y. Times, Le Monde in
France, El Pais in Spain, The Guardian in Britain and Der Spiegel in
Germany did. He passes along information. He didn't steal it.

As for the person who gave the information to Wikileaks, they may have
felt morally obligated to let fellow citizens know how our tax supported
government was behaving. Personally, I am grateful to that person
whoever they are.

http://www.democracynow.org/2010/12/29/allan_nairn_as_us_loses_its
Brookings Institution last year estimated that for every one militant,
as they put it, killed in Pakistan, the U.S. drones kill 10 civilians.
General Michael Hayden, former head of the CIA, also the National
Security Agency, also former director of National Intelligence, said
that our default position is to kill our adversaries, referring to the
use of the drones. Harold Koh, who¹s the legal adviser for the Justice
Department, earlier this year at a State Department briefing on the
results of the review conference on the International Criminal Court,
described the international legal environment that the U.S. had helped
shape. And he said this: "No U.S. national can be prosecuted for
aggression. We ensure total protection to our American forces and other
nationals going forward." So, in that situation, the U.S. defines who
the adversaries is. The default U.S. position is to kill the adversary.
When you kill the adversary, you kill 10 civilians. What are the
survivors, the loved ones of those civilians, supposed to do, when the
international legal system is rigged so that there is no peaceful
redress, so they have no place to go? It¹s unjustified. It¹s terrorism
by the U.S. law¹s own definition.
- ALLAN NAIRN

Bring our boys and girls home, NOW.
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyE5wjc4XOw
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/j...acks_1-5-09.ph
p

In article ,
Mysterious Traveler wrote:

On 01/03/2011 12:34 AM, Billy wrote:
In lecomsupplyinc,
"D. wrote:

Aiding and abetting the enemy in time of war, summary execution.

There are many who think these wars, and maybe even 9/11 itself, was a
crock. So our speaking-out against the war, may be construed as aiding
the enemy as well.

Does free speech no longer exist in this country??

What are we becoming, Don?

What are you an Idiot? With free speech you can say anything you want
but taking classified information and giving it to the world is illegal
and the criminals need to be punished.

I agree, but I wouldn't go below lower than Congressional
Representatives.

If people in the US military
could choose what rules they want to uphold or break then the security
of our country is in jeopardy. Terrorist depend on idiots like you to
aid them in their attacks against the US.

And if we called the war off now? I doubt that the few hundred "die
hard" al Quaida would want to start the war over again. If they do, then
they give us no choice, but why don't we start by giving them a choice.
I know the the military-industrial complex would be unhappy about that
but we can't keep supporting these self-serving parasites.

Using invectives is VERY unhelpful.


"Higgs wrote in message
...
On Jan 2, 10:48 am, "Don wrote:
Summary execution.

It seems nobody is noticing that Assange is not a U.S. Citizen, so
cannot be held to have committed treason against the U.S.

HB
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyE5wjc4XOw
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/j...acks_1-5-09.ph
p

In article ,
Mysterious Traveler wrote:

On 01/03/2011 12:29 AM, Billy wrote:
In lecomsupplyinc,
"Don wrote:

Summary execution.

Uh-huh. So now your saying laws don't matter? No habeas corpus?
Now we just spout the drivel from the corporate owned news, and hope
they told us the truth.

So what proof do you have that Bradley Manning is guilty, and deserving
of the death penalty? The government seems to waffle between "sabotage",
and "the releases are old news that we know already".

Personally, I find it refreshing to know what really is going on in our
government.

Manning took an oath when he joined the US military, he knew what he
was doing was wrong. He was in a job with high level security clearance
and knew it was illegal for him to take anything. He deserves to be
shot as an example to anyone else who thinks about doing the same
thing. His superior officer or officers who allowed him to take a data
recorder into his job knew it wasn't allowed and they should be tried
and suffer some of the consequences along with Manning.

He hasn't been found guilty. What part of that don't you understand?
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyE5wjc4XOw
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/j...acks_1-5-09.ph
p

In article pplyinc,
"Don Staples" wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article pplyinc,
"D. Staples" wrote:

Aiding and abetting the enemy in time of war, summary execution.

There are many who think these wars, and maybe even 9/11 itself, was a
crock. So our speaking-out against the war, may be construed as aiding
the enemy as well.

Does free speech no longer exist in this country??

What are we becoming, Don?

Gut less cowards who would rather grow roses?

Gutless cowards without due process, habeas corpus, or free speech.
You sure you're not a Wahhabi al Quaida, Don?
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyE5wjc4XOw
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/j...acks_1-5-09.ph
p

In article ,
Nad R wrote:

Billy wrote:
In article ,
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:

"Don Staples" wrote in message
omsupplyinc...
Summary execution.

Why?

Is that the punishment for the charges he faces? If not, are just you
putting in an opinion about the punishment you think Manning should face?

On July 5, Bradley Manning was charged under the Uniform Code of
Military Justice for transferring classified data onto his personal
computer and communicating national defense information to an
unauthorized source between November 19, 2009 and May 27, 2010.

He wasn't charged with aiding an abetting an enemy. Actually, I think he
hurt the "enemy", depending, of course, on who we call the "enemy". I
don't include Bradley Manning among them.

Privacy is history. What makes the governments of the world think they
should have privacy when no law exist for the privacy concerns of it's
citizens. The so called theory of : The governments job to is protect the
people? Or is it to help government officials to hide from their crimes.

I will support the governments privacy concerns when I can also legally
encode my own communications in which is next to impossible to listen in
on. I do not buy the argument "For the protection of its citizens". 9/11
communication interceptions never helped it's citizens.

As for the soldier, he did break the law in which he was hired for and
deserves his prison time. However, he should be treated humanely, what ever
that is. Is he a martyr, perhaps, the jury is still out.

Jeez, et tu Bruté? The jury is not out, it hasn't been constituted or
seated. Manning hasn't been tried except in the minds of those who have
prejudged him. Let him have his day in court first, OK?
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyE5wjc4XOw
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/j...acks_1-5-09.ph
p

"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article pplyinc,
"Don Staples" wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article pplyinc,
"D. Staples" wrote:

Aiding and abetting the enemy in time of war, summary execution.

There are many who think these wars, and maybe even 9/11 itself, was a
crock. So our speaking-out against the war, may be construed as aiding
the enemy as well.

Does free speech no longer exist in this country??

What are we becoming, Don?

Gut less cowards who would rather grow roses?

Gutless cowards without due process, habeas corpus, or free speech.
You sure you're not a Wahhabi al Quaida, Don?

Methodist, thank you very much, but, due process, habeas corpus, or free
speech have a few little hiccups in the military, all of which lead to the
stockade, some to the gallows. May his trip be short.

In article ,
"Don Staples" wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article pplyinc,
"Don Staples" wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article pplyinc,
"D. Staples" wrote:

Aiding and abetting the enemy in time of war, summary execution.

There are many who think these wars, and maybe even 9/11 itself, was a
crock. So our speaking-out against the war, may be construed as aiding
the enemy as well.

Does free speech no longer exist in this country??

What are we becoming, Don?

Gut less cowards who would rather grow roses?

Gutless cowards without due process, habeas corpus, or free speech.
You sure you're not a Wahhabi al Quaida, Don?

Methodist, thank you very much, but, due process, habeas corpus, or free
speech have a few little hiccups in the military, all of which lead to the
stockade, some to the gallows. May his trip be short.

Well I'm glad you came to your senses and started supporting "The Most
Disappointing President Ever". So, no more due process, habeas corpus,
or free speech. Good-bye 21st Century, hello 12th.

With this issue out of the way, we can go back to getting ****ed-off at
the most "disappointing President ever" for:
1) the 20% increase in civilian deaths in Pakistan due to intensified
use of drone aircraft

2) extended military commitment in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen,
Somalia, and Ethiopia

3) continuation of spying on all American citizens

4) authorizing the murder of an American citizen

5) suspension of habeas corpus

6) using "national security" to prevent government transparency

7) appointing ideologues to lead the FCC and the Deficit Panel which
will lead to higher charges for wireless users, and cuts in Medicare and
Social Security for the old and the sick

8) giving $700B to the rich (who have never had it so good as the last
10 years) and increasing taxes on the poor
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/28/business/28wages.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/29/business/29tax.html

9) continued U.S. support for Israeli ethnic cleansing of Palestinians

10) putting in place a security system that essentially takes naked
pictures of our mothers, wives, and children, or requires them to be
groped.


I don't care what party wins the next election, as long as it is won by
an honest person. That probably rules out the Republicans, and the
Democrats.
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_vN0--mHug
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyE5wjc4XOw

Billy wrote:
In article ,
"Don Staples" wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article pplyinc,
"Don Staples" wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article pplyinc,
"D. Staples" wrote:

Aiding and abetting the enemy in time of war, summary execution.

There are many who think these wars, and maybe even 9/11 itself, was a
crock. So our speaking-out against the war, may be construed as aiding
the enemy as well.

Does free speech no longer exist in this country??

What are we becoming, Don?

Gut less cowards who would rather grow roses?

Gutless cowards without due process, habeas corpus, or free speech.
You sure you're not a Wahhabi al Quaida, Don?

Methodist, thank you very much, but, due process, habeas corpus, or free
speech have a few little hiccups in the military, all of which lead to the
stockade, some to the gallows. May his trip be short.

Well I'm glad you came to your senses and started supporting "The Most
Disappointing President Ever". So, no more due process, habeas corpus,
or free speech. Good-bye 21st Century, hello 12th.

With this issue out of the way, we can go back to getting ****ed-off at
the most "disappointing President ever" for:
1) the 20% increase in civilian deaths in Pakistan due to intensified
use of drone aircraft

2) extended military commitment in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen,
Somalia, and Ethiopia

3) continuation of spying on all American citizens

4) authorizing the murder of an American citizen

5) suspension of habeas corpus

6) using "national security" to prevent government transparency

7) appointing ideologues to lead the FCC and the Deficit Panel which
will lead to higher charges for wireless users, and cuts in Medicare and
Social Security for the old and the sick

8) giving $700B to the rich (who have never had it so good as the last
10 years) and increasing taxes on the poor
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/28/business/28wages.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/29/business/29tax.html

9) continued U.S. support for Israeli ethnic cleansing of Palestinians

10) putting in place a security system that essentially takes naked
pictures of our mothers, wives, and children, or requires them to be
groped.


I don't care what party wins the next election, as long as it is won by
an honest person. That probably rules out the Republicans, and the
Democrats.

Honest people cannot get elected anywhere! One must lie, cheat and steal to
get elected. As an Atheist what chances would I have... None! I would have
to lie, cheat and steal to get elected. As for human rights and the
constitution, President Bush shredded that document years ago.

If you want an honest leader, get rid of democracy and install a ruthless
dictator. He may be completely insane, but still honest. I am not sure
honesty is up there in terms of a qualified leader... Just one that agrees
with my views.

--
Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)

In article ,
"Don Staples" wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article pplyinc,
"Don Staples" wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article pplyinc,
"D. Staples" wrote:

Aiding and abetting the enemy in time of war, summary execution.

There are many who think these wars, and maybe even 9/11 itself, was a
crock. So our speaking-out against the war, may be construed as aiding
the enemy as well.

Does free speech no longer exist in this country??

What are we becoming, Don?

Gut less cowards who would rather grow roses?

Gutless cowards without due process, habeas corpus, or free speech.
You sure you're not a Wahhabi al Quaida, Don?

Methodist, thank you very much, but, due process, habeas corpus, or free
speech have a few little hiccups in the military, all of which lead to the
stockade, some to the gallows. May his trip be short.

Why don't you wait for his conviction, before you start planning his
execution?
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyE5wjc4XOw
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/j...acks_1-5-09.ph
p

On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 11:38:13 -0600, Mysterious Traveler wrote:

On 01/02/2011 02:27 PM, Higgs Boson wrote:
On Jan 2, 10:48 am, "Don wrote:
Summary execution.

It seems nobody is noticing that Assange is not a U.S. Citizen, so
cannot be held to have committed treason against the U.S.

HB

He played a stupid game he should have known was unwinnable. He should
have known what he was doing was wrong.

What was he thinking?

Did he think he was going to be a hero and get ticker tape parades in
his honor?

He is a hero. As is Bradley. They probably will not get a ticker tape
parade, because they are heroes for the people, not the machine.