On Jun 4, 2:48*pm, Frank wrote:
On 6/4/2010 4:50 PM, Billy wrote:



In article
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* *wrote:

On Jun 4, 2:32 pm, *wrote:
In cknet,
* "David E. *wrote:

See myhttp://www.rossde.com/garden/garden_organic.html

Urea isn't artificial. Most people excrete it everyday, you may be
different.

Then you blend the technical language of chemistry with the common
language that most people communicate in. Ever talk to a lawyer and
notice that common words suddenly take on a different significance?

Malathion has carbon to carbon bonds, which to a chemist means that it
is an organic molecule. Talk to an agronomist, and they'll tell you that
it isn't organic, because it doesn't occur naturally. The chemist and
the agronomist are talking in two different technical languages, most of
us don't speak technically without qualifying the framework in which we
speak first.

Organic
3. denoting a relation between elements of something such that they fit
together harmoniously as necessary parts of a whole
----
This definition in your exposition seems to have escaped you, as you
confuse the technical with the common.

Good work on confusing the neophytes.
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito
Mussolini.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3l....thirdworldtra
veler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html

Your usual nitwit response.
He's trying to be helpful.
Nobody's perfect like you

Why do you take so many words to say nothing, Frank.
You seem to be running away from my last response to you, so now you
want to change the subject?
What misinformation do you have for us now, Frank?

Who cares? *I'm just trying to annoy you. *Do you think the world hangs
on your posts?

Juvenile.

From what I gather from the posts is if you want to go organic and die
healthy, just **** on your plants after a few beers and let nature take
care of the rest. Organic is a bunch of clowns trying to make tons of
money by using the word organic! Eat organic, eat non organic, drink,
smoke, bang the cleaning lady every once in awhile, just do your thing
and die happy! After all, dying happy is far better than dying
healthy!

On Fri, 4 Jun 2010 02:08:35 -0400, (EVP MAN)
wrote:


Organic is good as long as you can eliminate all the other toxins in
your life which I feel is impossible. The air we breathe is toxic. If
you eat meat, was that steak you just had raised on organic grain? Was
that beef steer injected with a growth hormone? How about the water you
drink? I'm sure you wouldn't think of drinking tap water with all the
chemicals added such as chlorine and fluoride to help save your teeth.
OK, so it's spring water you purchase as the local grocery market
instead. Does that mean that there are no chemicals leeching into the
spring through the ground? The plastic bottle that the water came in,
does it contain any toxins that could harm you? My point being, some
people carry organic to the extreme! Now I'm not saying organic is a
bad thing! I guess the best part of it is the fact that you can live
organic and die healthy

Rich


Did you know that pure water can be toxic? Too much water will kill
you and many plants. I am not an "organic" gardener, but given a
choice I will try the less toxic method first, sometimes ending up
using the method that is most effective. "Organic" products often
take longer to work and some folks might not give it a chance. Be
careful with any product and follow the directions carefully.

Tap water (in the USA) is safer than bottled water. There is simply
less chance of contamination from the tap. I would not have believed
people would buy bottled water by the case. The bottling companies
are laughing all the way to the bank.

On Fri, 04 Jun 2010 13:38:13 -0400, Frank
wrote:

On 6/4/2010 11:44 AM, David E. Ross wrote:
On 6/3/10 11:08 PM, EVP MAN wrote:

Organic is good as long as you can eliminate all the other toxins in
your life which I feel is impossible. The air we breathe is toxic. If
you eat meat, was that steak you just had raised on organic grain? Was
that beef steer injected with a growth hormone? How about the water you
drink? I'm sure you wouldn't think of drinking tap water with all the
chemicals added such as chlorine and fluoride to help save your teeth.
OK, so it's spring water you purchase as the local grocery market
instead. Does that mean that there are no chemicals leeching into the
spring through the ground? The plastic bottle that the water came in,
does it contain any toxins that could harm you? My point being, some
people carry organic to the extreme! Now I'm not saying organic is a
bad thing! I guess the best part of it is the fact that you can live
organic and die healthy

Rich


See myhttp://www.rossde.com/garden/garden_organic.html. See also my
signature below.


I'm an organic chemist and your site makes a lot of sense to me.
As a chemist, I know that some of the most dangerous substances known to
man are things like botulism, aflatoxin and ricin, that are found in
nature and can be considered as organic.

I also spent a few years working on food packaging materials and know
that in spite of all the supposed dangers in packaging, people are
poisoned by the toxins in the food itself, not the packaging.


Frank,

"Organic" is not the same as an organic molecule with carbon or carbon
chains. The gardeners here misuse the word "organic." When
"organic" is used in this newsgroup, I think what they really mean is
"natural." If a "natural garden" exists it is unknown, untouched, and
not seen by man.

True or False: The Gulf oil spill is a massive organic event.

(EVP MAN) wrote in
:


Organic is good as long as you can eliminate all the other
toxins in your life which I feel is impossible. The air we
breathe is toxic. If you eat meat, was that steak you just had
raised on organic grain? Was that beef steer injected with a
growth hormone?

get out of the city. grow your own meat. grass fed beef is *way*
better than supermarket meat.

How about the water you drink? I'm sure you
wouldn't think of drinking tap water with all the chemicals
added such as chlorine and fluoride to help save your teeth. OK,
so it's spring water you purchase as the local grocery market
instead. Does that mean that there are no chemicals leeching
into the spring through the ground? The plastic bottle that the
water came in, does it contain any toxins that could harm you?

EPA is pretty tight on water that gets sold, but my water comes from
wells, which i have tested annually for chemicals, toxins & bacteria.

My point being, some people carry organic to the extreme!

exteremists exist everywhere. we all die. organic food tastes better.
life is short, so eat good stuff.
lee

"Phisherman" wrote in message
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On Fri, 4 Jun 2010 02:08:35 -0400, (EVP MAN)
wrote:


Organic is good as long as you can eliminate all the other toxins in
your life which I feel is impossible. The air we breathe is toxic. If
you eat meat, was that steak you just had raised on organic grain? Was
that beef steer injected with a growth hormone? How about the water you
drink? I'm sure you wouldn't think of drinking tap water with all the
chemicals added such as chlorine and fluoride to help save your teeth.
OK, so it's spring water you purchase as the local grocery market
instead. Does that mean that there are no chemicals leeching into the
spring through the ground? The plastic bottle that the water came in,
does it contain any toxins that could harm you? My point being, some
people carry organic to the extreme! Now I'm not saying organic is a
bad thing! I guess the best part of it is the fact that you can live
organic and die healthy

Rich


Did you know that pure water can be toxic? Too much water will kill
you and many plants. I am not an "organic" gardener, but given a
choice I will try the less toxic method first, sometimes ending up
using the method that is most effective. "Organic" products often
take longer to work and some folks might not give it a chance. Be
careful with any product and follow the directions carefully.

Organic is a term that is sometimes abused and used for dubious purposes.
You can view it as a source of reverence and semi-worship. You can also view
it as being a good marketing edge in a commercialised world.

Personally, I see several loose strands running through the term organic.
There is sustainability. This involves sustainable systems of growing food
so that our land & environment are not degraded to a point where food
production is degraded. Our land, water, air etc must at least not
deteriorate due to our system of growing food. There is also social
sustainability. Growers must receive fair payment and have some options to
control their production. Fair trade etc. Food should be viewed as much for
its use value as for its exchange value. I'd also tie in things such as
eating seasonally and locally.

That is a fairly wide interpretation and covers environmental - social and
economic systems.

rob

everyone want's organic chicken & eggs. So farmers let
their hens free roam and kept in an area where they can't
escape.

Has anyone here watched what an organic chicken eats?
They're
good bug eaters but they also love them snakes. Yah,
organic.

been there and saw that.

Donna
in WA

Malathion carbon-carbon bond, which means it chemist is an organic molecule. Agronomist struck up a conversation, they will tell you, It is not organic, because it does not occur naturally.