Hello,

I'm a new gardener, and new to this group. If any I ask should be
better asked elsewhere, let me know. I'm in Atlanta.

I've acquired from a neighbor a "wishing well", think of the as a
large pot, 16" deep and 16" across or so (inside dimensions). I have a
sunny entrance to my yard but it is on the edge of a concrete driveway,
so I thought of the "wishing well". I can set up a long "trellis" for
this to grow along

Can I grow a grape in such a container and have it yield fruit. What
sort of soil and do I need drainage in such a large pot? Will it need a
companion grape and does that have to be of the same type?

If this is all crazy, I'll find some other use for the wishing well...

Jeff

On 5/2/2009 10:02 AM, Jeff wrote:
Hello,

I'm a new gardener, and new to this group. If any I ask should be
better asked elsewhere, let me know. I'm in Atlanta.

I've acquired from a neighbor a "wishing well", think of the as a
large pot, 16" deep and 16" across or so (inside dimensions). I have a
sunny entrance to my yard but it is on the edge of a concrete driveway,
so I thought of the "wishing well". I can set up a long "trellis" for
this to grow along

Can I grow a grape in such a container and have it yield fruit. What
sort of soil and do I need drainage in such a large pot? Will it need a
companion grape and does that have to be of the same type?

If this is all crazy, I'll find some other use for the wishing well...

Jeff

Grapes tend to send their roots very deep and wide. If the container is
sitting on concrete or has a bottom, I doubt if the grape vine will
thrive.

If the container is sitting on the ground and has no bottom, this will
work. About a year after you plant it, however, you will be unable to
move the container without injuring the grape. Since grapes have very
tough roots, you might be physically unable to the the container more
than 10 years after you plant it.

--
David E. Ross
Climate: California Mediterranean
Sunset Zone: 21 -- interior Santa Monica Mountains with some ocean
influence (USDA 10a, very close to Sunset Zone 19)
Gardening diary at http://www.rossde.com/garden/diary

In article ,
Jeff wrote:

Hello,

I'm a new gardener, and new to this group. If any I ask should be
better asked elsewhere, let me know. I'm in Atlanta.

I've acquired from a neighbor a "wishing well", think of the as a
large pot, 16" deep and 16" across or so (inside dimensions). I have a
sunny entrance to my yard but it is on the edge of a concrete driveway,
so I thought of the "wishing well". I can set up a long "trellis" for
this to grow along

Can I grow a grape in such a container and have it yield fruit. What
sort of soil and do I need drainage in such a large pot? Will it need a
companion grape and does that have to be of the same type?

If this is all crazy, I'll find some other use for the wishing well...

Jeff

You need soil that will drain. Any potting mix should do. Typically
Europeans plant wine grapes 1 meter X 1 meter. In California it is 10' X
6'. They are self pollinating.
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html

Billy wrote:
In article ,
Jeff wrote:

Hello,

I'm a new gardener, and new to this group. If any I ask should be
better asked elsewhere, let me know. I'm in Atlanta.

I've acquired from a neighbor a "wishing well", think of the as a
large pot, 16" deep and 16" across or so (inside dimensions). I have a
sunny entrance to my yard but it is on the edge of a concrete driveway,
so I thought of the "wishing well". I can set up a long "trellis" for
this to grow along

Can I grow a grape in such a container and have it yield fruit. What
sort of soil and do I need drainage in such a large pot? Will it need a
companion grape and does that have to be of the same type?

If this is all crazy, I'll find some other use for the wishing well...

Jeff

You need soil that will drain. Any potting mix should do. Typically
Europeans plant wine grapes 1 meter X 1 meter. In California it is 10' X
6'. They are self pollinating.


Thanks to you and David. I think I'll give up on the "wishing well"
and look for another place to plant. I have a typical 1/3 acre lot with
just the edges in full sun and was thinking of letting it grow from the
sunniest part. I think now I'll plant it back it a bit where it can root
well and grow into the sunniest.

I see lots of grape plants for sale and had decided to try it
without realizing what a science it is to raise and prune grapes. My
neighbor across the street was an old Frenchman who used to have a
number overhead "trellises" under his walkways with grapes. I wish he
was around now... Table grapes is all I want...

Jeff

"Jeff" wrote in message

I've acquired from a neighbor a "wishing well", think of the as a large
pot, 16" deep and 16" across or so (inside dimensions). I have a sunny
entrance to my yard but it is on the edge of a concrete driveway, so I
thought of the "wishing well". I can set up a long "trellis" for this to
grow along

Can I grow a grape in such a container and have it yield fruit. What
sort of soil and do I need drainage in such a large pot? Will it need a
companion grape and does that have to be of the same type?

I'd have grave doubts that a grape would do well in such a small container.
And even if it did fruit, the amount of grapes you'd get off it wouldn't be
more than a taste.

"Jeff" wrote in message

I see lots of grape plants for sale and had decided to try it without
realizing what a science it is to raise and prune grapes. My neighbor
across the street was an old Frenchman who used to have a number overhead
"trellises" under his walkways with grapes. I wish he was around now...
Table grapes is all I want...

Don't worry about the science. Some plants are as tough as old boots and
grapes are in that category. Even if you aren't the worlds best grape
pruner, you'll still get grapes if you have enough warmth for them to grow
in. And if the Frenchman could grow them in your area, you can too.

On 5/2/2009 4:21 PM, Jeff wrote:
Billy wrote:
In article ,
Jeff wrote:

Hello,

I'm a new gardener, and new to this group. If any I ask should be
better asked elsewhere, let me know. I'm in Atlanta.

I've acquired from a neighbor a "wishing well", think of the as a
large pot, 16" deep and 16" across or so (inside dimensions). I have a
sunny entrance to my yard but it is on the edge of a concrete driveway,
so I thought of the "wishing well". I can set up a long "trellis" for
this to grow along

Can I grow a grape in such a container and have it yield fruit. What
sort of soil and do I need drainage in such a large pot? Will it need a
companion grape and does that have to be of the same type?

If this is all crazy, I'll find some other use for the wishing well...

Jeff
You need soil that will drain. Any potting mix should do. Typically
Europeans plant wine grapes 1 meter X 1 meter. In California it is 10' X
6'. They are self pollinating.


Thanks to you and David. I think I'll give up on the "wishing well"
and look for another place to plant. I have a typical 1/3 acre lot with
just the edges in full sun and was thinking of letting it grow from the
sunniest part. I think now I'll plant it back it a bit where it can root
well and grow into the sunniest.

I see lots of grape plants for sale and had decided to try it
without realizing what a science it is to raise and prune grapes. My
neighbor across the street was an old Frenchman who used to have a
number overhead "trellises" under his walkways with grapes. I wish he
was around now... Table grapes is all I want...

Jeff

If they grow well in your area (ask at a nursery, not at a hardware
store or lumber yard), try 'Perlette'. The vine will produce many very
large bunches of quite sweet yellow-green seedless grapes. Another
variety to consider (if suitable for your area) is 'Black Monukka', a
dark red seedless grape that is also good for raisins; this one is not
as prolific a producer of grapes as is 'Perlette' but is worth having.

Grape vines can be quite heavy. Make sure your trellis or other
supports are strong enough. See my
http://www.rossde.com/garden/garden_grapes.html for a suggestion if
you are planting on a slope.

For a flat area of garden, consider using a clothes line as a arbor, the
type with two T-bar posts and 3-4 wires between them. Make sure you
have ample footings for the posts, set into concrete. Align the clothes
line to run east-west so that the vines get uniform sunshine. You can
plant a vine at each post and train them overhead to meet in the center,
creating a nice shady arbor. You might plant different varieties at
each post. Plan ahead regarding the height of such an arbor. You will
want to reach the wires for pruning the vines every winter, but you will
want to be able to walk and sit under the vines.

Optional:
Set up a wood or vinyl grid on the south side to complete your arbor and
provide shade for a sitting area. The top of the grid should be about
2-3 ft below the cross-bars of the posts to make sure enough light
reaches the vine where it hangs down from the clothes line; the grid
should extend the entire length of the clothes line, not from post to
post but under the south-most wire. Put a bench or a couple of lawn
chairs under the arbor with a small table. Paradise!

--
David E. Ross
Climate: California Mediterranean
Sunset Zone: 21 -- interior Santa Monica Mountains with some ocean
influence (USDA 10a, very close to Sunset Zone 19)
Gardening diary at http://www.rossde.com/garden/diary

David E. Ross wrote:
On 5/2/2009 4:21 PM, Jeff wrote:
Billy wrote:
In article ,
Jeff wrote:

Hello,

I'm a new gardener, and new to this group. If any I ask should be
better asked elsewhere, let me know. I'm in Atlanta.

I've acquired from a neighbor a "wishing well", think of the as a
large pot, 16" deep and 16" across or so (inside dimensions). I have a
sunny entrance to my yard but it is on the edge of a concrete driveway,
so I thought of the "wishing well". I can set up a long "trellis" for
this to grow along

Can I grow a grape in such a container and have it yield fruit. What
sort of soil and do I need drainage in such a large pot? Will it need a
companion grape and does that have to be of the same type?

If this is all crazy, I'll find some other use for the wishing well...

Jeff
You need soil that will drain. Any potting mix should do. Typically
Europeans plant wine grapes 1 meter X 1 meter. In California it is 10' X
6'. They are self pollinating.

Thanks to you and David. I think I'll give up on the "wishing well"
and look for another place to plant. I have a typical 1/3 acre lot with
just the edges in full sun and was thinking of letting it grow from the
sunniest part. I think now I'll plant it back it a bit where it can root
well and grow into the sunniest.

I see lots of grape plants for sale and had decided to try it
without realizing what a science it is to raise and prune grapes. My
neighbor across the street was an old Frenchman who used to have a
number overhead "trellises" under his walkways with grapes. I wish he
was around now... Table grapes is all I want...

Jeff

If they grow well in your area (ask at a nursery, not at a hardware
store or lumber yard), try 'Perlette'. The vine will produce many very
large bunches of quite sweet yellow-green seedless grapes.

Are these the kind of green grapes you commonly find in grocery stores?
I've never been to fond of them (so I'm thinking/hoping not).


Another
variety to consider (if suitable for your area) is 'Black Monukka', a
dark red seedless grape that is also good for raisins; this one is not
as prolific a producer of grapes as is 'Perlette' but is worth having.

Grape vines can be quite heavy. Make sure your trellis or other
supports are strong enough. See my
http://www.rossde.com/garden/garden_grapes.html for a suggestion if
you are planting on a slope.

For a flat area of garden, consider using a clothes line as a arbor, the
type with two T-bar posts and 3-4 wires between them. Make sure you
have ample footings for the posts, set into concrete. Align the clothes
line to run east-west so that the vines get uniform sunshine. You can
plant a vine at each post and train them overhead to meet in the center,
creating a nice shady arbor.

I think I'll do that, and where I want to set this up it would be
running east/west and run about 16'. I take it that's enough room for
two vines? I can buy vinyl covered cable. How far apart should I space
the wires, 6"??? horizontally (I assume)?


You might plant different varieties at
each post. Plan ahead regarding the height of such an arbor. You will
want to reach the wires for pruning the vines every winter, but you will
want to be able to walk and sit under the vines.

OK.


Optional:
Set up a wood or vinyl grid on the south side to complete your arbor and
provide shade for a sitting area. The top of the grid should be about
2-3 ft below the cross-bars of the posts to make sure enough light
reaches the vine where it hangs down from the clothes line; the grid
should extend the entire length of the clothes line, not from post to
post but under the south-most wire. Put a bench or a couple of lawn
chairs under the arbor with a small table. Paradise!

Here's is about what I *was* thinking:

I've found I can rip 2*4's into 4 slices of about 7/8" by 1 1/2".
Standing with the 1 1/2" up (set into a slotted 2*4), I've used several
of them to make a nice plant stand for my girlfriend. I thought I'd run
about 6 of these 6" apart (for a 3' width) and train the grapes on top
of that.

I can't quite visualize your hill side setup, but I think it is a
single wire?

What motivated me was the neighbors house (the one the Frenchman used
to live in) burning down. The contractor tearing down the house "gave"
(dumped) me all the old bricks (~ 90 years old) from the foundation and
chimney and I scavenged all the old stepping stones (including some blue
slate). So I started chipping out single bricks (this took a while!) and
then came the patios and walkways. I terraced the back a bit and thought
it was good spot for a vegetable garden and a dwarf peach tree and a few
blueberries. I suppose Obama and his arugula had something to do with it
too!

Jeff

On 5/2/2009 8:58 PM, Jeff wrote:
David E. Ross wrote:
On 5/2/2009 4:21 PM, Jeff wrote:
Billy wrote:
In article ,
Jeff wrote:

Hello,

I'm a new gardener, and new to this group. If any I ask should be
better asked elsewhere, let me know. I'm in Atlanta.

I've acquired from a neighbor a "wishing well", think of the as a
large pot, 16" deep and 16" across or so (inside dimensions). I have a
sunny entrance to my yard but it is on the edge of a concrete driveway,
so I thought of the "wishing well". I can set up a long "trellis" for
this to grow along

Can I grow a grape in such a container and have it yield fruit. What
sort of soil and do I need drainage in such a large pot? Will it need a
companion grape and does that have to be of the same type?

If this is all crazy, I'll find some other use for the wishing well...

Jeff
You need soil that will drain. Any potting mix should do. Typically
Europeans plant wine grapes 1 meter X 1 meter. In California it is 10' X
6'. They are self pollinating.
Thanks to you and David. I think I'll give up on the "wishing well"
and look for another place to plant. I have a typical 1/3 acre lot with
just the edges in full sun and was thinking of letting it grow from the
sunniest part. I think now I'll plant it back it a bit where it can root
well and grow into the sunniest.

I see lots of grape plants for sale and had decided to try it
without realizing what a science it is to raise and prune grapes. My
neighbor across the street was an old Frenchman who used to have a
number overhead "trellises" under his walkways with grapes. I wish he
was around now... Table grapes is all I want...

Jeff
If they grow well in your area (ask at a nursery, not at a hardware
store or lumber yard), try 'Perlette'. The vine will produce many very
large bunches of quite sweet yellow-green seedless grapes.

Are these the kind of green grapes you commonly find in grocery stores?
I've never been to fond of them (so I'm thinking/hoping not).

I'm not sure. Today, the markets seem to label grapes as "green" or
"red" without indicating any variety. 'Perlette' has a round,
yellow-green berry, not like the long, pure green of 'Thompson Seedless'.

'Perlette' is much more sweet and less tart than 'Thompson Seedless'.
Once, when I had an over-abundant crop, I ran a bunch of 'Perlette'
through a juice extractor. We couldn't drink the juice because it was
far too sweet, almost as if someone added a sack of sugar.


Another
variety to consider (if suitable for your area) is 'Black Monukka', a
dark red seedless grape that is also good for raisins; this one is not
as prolific a producer of grapes as is 'Perlette' but is worth having.

Grape vines can be quite heavy. Make sure your trellis or other
supports are strong enough. See my
http://www.rossde.com/garden/garden_grapes.html for a suggestion if
you are planting on a slope.

For a flat area of garden, consider using a clothes line as a arbor, the
type with two T-bar posts and 3-4 wires between them. Make sure you
have ample footings for the posts, set into concrete. Align the clothes
line to run east-west so that the vines get uniform sunshine. You can
plant a vine at each post and train them overhead to meet in the center,
creating a nice shady arbor.

I think I'll do that, and where I want to set this up it would be
running east/west and run about 16'. I take it that's enough room for
two vines? I can buy vinyl covered cable. How far apart should I space
the wires, 6"??? horizontally (I assume)?

I'm using uncoated steel wire rope. Coated wire rope might last longer,
but I couldn't find any at a reasonable price when I setup my supports.

The wires can be 12"-24" apart.


You might plant different varieties at
each post. Plan ahead regarding the height of such an arbor. You will
want to reach the wires for pruning the vines every winter, but you will
want to be able to walk and sit under the vines.

OK.

Optional:
Set up a wood or vinyl grid on the south side to complete your arbor and
provide shade for a sitting area. The top of the grid should be about
2-3 ft below the cross-bars of the posts to make sure enough light
reaches the vine where it hangs down from the clothes line; the grid
should extend the entire length of the clothes line, not from post to
post but under the south-most wire. Put a bench or a couple of lawn
chairs under the arbor with a small table. Paradise!

Here's is about what I *was* thinking:

I've found I can rip 2*4's into 4 slices of about 7/8" by 1 1/2".
Standing with the 1 1/2" up (set into a slotted 2*4), I've used several
of them to make a nice plant stand for my girlfriend. I thought I'd run
about 6 of these 6" apart (for a 3' width) and train the grapes on top
of that.

I can't quite visualize your hill side setup, but I think it is a
single wire?

Yes, it's a single wire. My hill is quite steep. A clothesline setup
with multiple wires would have the downhill side too high up and the
uphill side too close to the ground.

What motivated me was the neighbors house (the one the Frenchman used
to live in) burning down. The contractor tearing down the house "gave"
(dumped) me all the old bricks (~ 90 years old) from the foundation and
chimney and I scavenged all the old stepping stones (including some blue
slate). So I started chipping out single bricks (this took a while!) and
then came the patios and walkways. I terraced the back a bit and thought
it was good spot for a vegetable garden and a dwarf peach tree and a few
blueberries. I suppose Obama and his arugula had something to do with it
too!

If your patio is brick set on the soil without any concrete (perhaps
with a gravel base underneath the bricks), you could lift a few bricks
and plant the grapes in the resulting holes. Each hole should be about
18" on a side, more for setting up the posts. Then you could have your
arbor shading the patio.

I didn't have room in the flat area of my garden for grapes.
Furthermore, my hill has failed twice; but it never moved near my grape
vines. (See my http://www.rossde.com/garden/garden_back.html#hill.)
Thus, I planted the vines on the hill, both for the space and to
stabilize the slope.

--
David E. Ross
Climate: California Mediterranean
Sunset Zone: 21 -- interior Santa Monica Mountains with some ocean
influence (USDA 10a, very close to Sunset Zone 19)
Gardening diary at http://www.rossde.com/garden/diary

In article ,
Jeff wrote:

I think now I'll plant it back it a bit where it can root
well and grow into the sunniest.

I see lots of grape plants for sale and had decided to try it
without realizing what a science it is to raise and prune grapes. My
neighbor across the street was an old Frenchman who used to have a
number overhead "trellises" under his walkways with grapes. I wish he
was around now... Table grapes is all I want...

I don't know why I'm responding to this, except my introduction to grape
arbors started with an ol "Frog" too. We spent many a happy hour there,
cheating each other and our wives at canasta, and eating many a
delicious meal. But that is another story.

Forget wire or cable, these things can get serious.
See:
http://www.amazon.com/General-Viticu...025911/ref=sr_
1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1241374941&sr=1-1
Click on "Look Inside"
Click on "First Pages" and then go to page 4
That is a grape arbor.

(Thirty years ago, I saw 10' X 6' arbors used for growing commercial
grapes in the Asti region of Italy.)

When the arbor is up, I recommend that you pour a slab for the dining
area underneath with an extension off to side to place your barbecue on.

Best picture I could find of an arbor was
http://www.hgtv.com/landscaping/a-gr...bor/index.html
This arbor is a little too close to the house for my taste, but what
ever spins your wheels. I like the stonework in the slab.

For construction see:
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07202...=lifestyle.xml
or
http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/e...pearbors/grape.
html

For growing grapes in Atlanta see:
http://www.helpfulgardener.com/phpBB...pic.php?t=8577
and
http://pubs.caes.uga.edu/caespubs/pubcd/B807/B807.htm

I've always envisioned civilization as having started with
dining (conversation + food). Bon appétit.
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html

In article ,
"David E. Ross" wrote:

If they grow well in your area (ask at a nursery, not at a hardware
store or lumber yard), try 'Perlette'.

May not be a good idea. Perlette are Vitis vinifera and west of the
Rockies they would be labor intensive to keep the mildew off.

Jeff would be better off with a Vitis labrusca which is native to his
region and used to the high humidity.

In any event, the University of Georgia makes recommendations at
http://pubs.caes.uga.edu/caespubs/pubcd/B807/B807.htm
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html

On 5/3/2009 12:45 PM, Billy wrote:
In article ,
"David E. Ross" wrote:

If they grow well in your area (ask at a nursery, not at a hardware
store or lumber yard), try 'Perlette'.

May not be a good idea. Perlette are Vitis vinifera and west of the
Rockies they would be labor intensive to keep the mildew off.

Jeff would be better off with a Vitis labrusca which is native to his
region and used to the high humidity.

In any event, the University of Georgia makes recommendations at
http://pubs.caes.uga.edu/caespubs/pubcd/B807/B807.htm

While I get mildew on my roses, I've never seen it on my grapes,
including 'Perlette'. However, I do spray them after pruning (January)
with an emulsified mix of dormant oil and copper sulfate, at the same
time that I spray that mix on my roses and peach tree (the 1st of 2
sprayings for the peach).

--
David E. Ross
Climate: California Mediterranean
Sunset Zone: 21 -- interior Santa Monica Mountains with some ocean
influence (USDA 10a, very close to Sunset Zone 19)
Gardening diary at http://www.rossde.com/garden/diary

Billy wrote:
In article ,
Jeff wrote:

I think now I'll plant it back it a bit where it can root
well and grow into the sunniest.

I see lots of grape plants for sale and had decided to try it
without realizing what a science it is to raise and prune grapes. My
neighbor across the street was an old Frenchman who used to have a
number overhead "trellises" under his walkways with grapes. I wish he
was around now... Table grapes is all I want...

I don't know why I'm responding to this, except my introduction to grape
arbors started with an ol "Frog" too.

I was fond of my "Frog" also, although he had been here for decades,
English was still a second language. I think all French must have a
particularly high high regard for good dining and good living.

Thanks for the considered and detailed response.

We spent many a happy hour there,
cheating each other and our wives at canasta, and eating many a
delicious meal. But that is another story.

Forget wire or cable, these things can get serious.
See:
http://www.amazon.com/General-Viticu...025911/ref=sr_
1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1241374941&sr=1-1
Click on "Look Inside"
Click on "First Pages" and then go to page 4
That is a grape arbor.

Absolutely unbelievable.

(Thirty years ago, I saw 10' X 6' arbors used for growing commercial
grapes in the Asti region of Italy.)

When the arbor is up, I recommend that you pour a slab for the dining
area underneath with an extension off to side to place your barbecue on.

Best picture I could find of an arbor was
http://www.hgtv.com/landscaping/a-gr...bor/index.html
This arbor is a little too close to the house for my taste, but what
ever spins your wheels. I like the stonework in the slab.

Oddly, I have good shade. It's sun that is at a premium.

For construction see:
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07202...=lifestyle.xml
or
http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/e...pearbors/grape.
html

For growing grapes in Atlanta see:
http://www.helpfulgardener.com/phpBB...pic.php?t=8577
and
http://pubs.caes.uga.edu/caespubs/pubcd/B807/B807.htm

The UGA doc is quite comprehensive. I'm disappointed that I won't be
eating Perlette, but it does get quite humid here. I do notice that the
boundary between their Upper Piedmont Area and the Lower Piedmont,
Middle and South Georgia Area runs right through my house, in addition,
I'm right at 1000'. Perhaps Fredonia and Conquistador, to cover all
bases... or miss them all...

It appears to me that I should use the American Varieties as I'll
have a high arbor, that mirrors what the French neighbor did.

I've always envisioned civilization as having started with
dining (conversation + food). Bon appétit.

Thanks to you and Billy for the thoughtful answers. It appears that
I'll need to do more thinking about what to buy and how to build the
arbors. I have a slab on the southern sunnier end of my yard where my
garage used to be (~ 8' * 16'). That looks to me like two vines max.

Jeff

In article ,
Jeff wrote:

Piedmont

Perfect, Asti, where I saw the grapes being grown on arbors in 1982, is
in the Piedmont of Italy.
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

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In article ,
"David E. Ross" wrote:

On 5/3/2009 12:45 PM, Billy wrote:
In article ,
"David E. Ross" wrote:

If they grow well in your area (ask at a nursery, not at a hardware
store or lumber yard), try 'Perlette'.

May not be a good idea. Perlette are Vitis vinifera and west of the
Rockies they would be labor intensive to keep the mildew off.

Jeff would be better off with a Vitis labrusca which is native to his
region and used to the high humidity.

In any event, the University of Georgia makes recommendations at
http://pubs.caes.uga.edu/caespubs/pubcd/B807/B807.htm

While I get mildew on my roses, I've never seen it on my grapes,
including 'Perlette'. However, I do spray them after pruning (January)
with an emulsified mix of dormant oil and copper sulfate, at the same
time that I spray that mix on my roses and peach tree (the 1st of 2
sprayings for the peach).

Well, being in northern California and looking south, I will be excused
for confusing East and West. If you ever happen to see the Sun rising
out of the Pacific, some morning, you will know who is at the controls.
;O)
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- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html