Just discovered them while trying to put in some big Coleus. What on earth
made them think it was a good place for a nest up off the ground, and what,
if anything, should I do? I don't want them in there. Will the mother move
them for me? Abandon them? What if I do (or don't) cover them back up? I'm
not sure if I hit one with my hand spade or not.

They're so widdle, I don't really want to kill them...at least not until
they start eating up all my plants, as they always do. We've already got a
ton of 'em around here, living underneath a shed out back. (And we're not
allowed to shoot them. In fact, it's illegal to even throw a snowball in
this town. Literally.)

Any suggestions?

Um, thanks, but besides not being pet-quality (the adults are actually
slightly ugly) I'm pretty sure they would die. There are at least five of
them all snuggled together, about 3" down into the soil, and right now they
are not much bigger than mice (which I initially thought they were, but
they're definitely rabbits).

I really want to encourage the mom to come get them out of there. She must
be one dumb bunny, because there are acres & acres of vacant fields nearby
and I further don't know why she'd put them 2 feet up, inside a (then-empty)
planter in a fairly high-traffic place outside my front door. I've never
been successful at rehabbing baby bunnies...And, I don't want her dumb ass
squashing or chewing on my newly planted big-leaf Coleus, either.



Persephone wrote in message
...
Ask a pet store if they want to take them for sale?

And try not to think about their fate once sold to careless buyers g

Persephone

Nelly Wensdow wrote:
Um, thanks, but besides not being pet-quality (the adults are
actually
slightly ugly) I'm pretty sure they would die. There are at least
five of them all snuggled together, about 3" down into the soil, and
right now they are not much bigger than mice (which I initially
thought they were, but they're definitely rabbits).

I really want to encourage the mom to come get them out of there.
She
must be one dumb bunny, because there are acres & acres of vacant
fields nearby and I further don't know why she'd put them 2 feet up,
inside a (then-empty) planter in a fairly high-traffic place outside
my front door. I've never been successful at rehabbing baby
bunnies...And, I don't want her dumb ass squashing or chewing on my
newly planted big-leaf Coleus, either.

No help on the rabbits, but your mention of poor judgment reminds me
of the time I lit the gas grill without looking inside and this mouse
went three feet in the air with his little whiskers crinkling up.
From the speed at which he disappeared into the distance I suspect
that he wasn't badly damaged by the experience, but this was way out
in the country where there were a vast number of better places for a
mouse-nest than in a gas grill.

Persephone wrote in message
...
Ask a pet store if they want to take them for sale?

And try not to think about their fate once sold to careless buyers
g

Persephone

--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

In article ,
Jangchub wrote:

Humans are the dumbest animals on the planet. They're also the most
vicious, heinous, violent, and heartless.

http://oldpoetry.com/oauthor/show/Su%20Tung-po

Still I wonder what to do tomorrow
Wondering
Yet dinner is announced

No choice but to ingest

Bill

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA
Neat place .. http://www.petersvalley.org/

WTF are you talking about? Relax, I'm here trying to save the babies. How
about something a little more constructive...like maybe how to relocate that
multi-family colony under the shed.

There are rabbits everywhere here, and their recent choice of a nesting site
leads me to think they're running out of room here, which isn't good for
anyone - most especially them. I can't even count how many near-misses I've
had, running over all the young'uns with the mower the last few years. (I
always mow high for that reason.) And if I did shoot a couple of them
(adults, in case I needed to spell that out), I'd be doing dual favors
really. They're good eating, and they would certainly not go to waste. And
they'd also stop eating all of what few vegs I try to grow in my tiny garden
to offset rising food scarcity/costs. And maybe they'd stop nesting in
inappropriate places & abandoning their babies. To me there's nothing worse
than watching babies starve (unless it's running over them with a mower
shudder). And maybe with a few less around maybe they'd start to look
healthier, less mangy & emaciated as they do. If you thought I advocate
shooting rabbits just because I prefer not to have them around then you
assumed too much.




"Jangchub" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 10:07:47 -0500, "Nelly Wensdow"
wrote:

Any suggestions?

Grow a heart in that garden of yours.

In article
,
Bill wrote:

In article ,
Jangchub wrote:

Humans are the dumbest animals on the planet. They're also the most
vicious, heinous, violent, and heartless.

http://oldpoetry.com/oauthor/show/Su%20Tung-po

Still I wonder what to do tomorrow
Wondering
Yet dinner is announced

No choice but to ingest

Bill

Haiku by Reginald Horace Blyth
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...735/ref=lp_g_1
It is freaking transformative.

The one who loves most
tips the umbrella
over the other
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related

In article ,
Jangchub wrote:

On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 18:34:09 -0400, Bill
wrote:

In article ,
Jangchub wrote:

Humans are the dumbest animals on the planet. They're also the most
vicious, heinous, violent, and heartless.

http://oldpoetry.com/oauthor/show/Su%20Tung-po

Still I wonder what to do tomorrow
Wondering
Yet dinner is announced

No choice but to ingest

Bill

I don't eat any animals or eggs any more, either. Next to go is all
dairy. Not sure the relevance of your poem, but one of my favorites
is...

And Death Shall Have No Dominion
By Dylan Thomas

And death shall have no dominion.
Dead men naked they shall be one
With the man in the wind and the west moon;
When their bones are picked clean and the clean bones gone,
They shall have stars at elbow and foot;
Though they go mad they shall be sane,
Though they sink through the sea they shall rise again;
Though lovers be lost love shall not;
And death shall have no dominion.

And death shall have no dominion.
Under the windings of the sea
They lying long shall not die windily;
Twisting on racks when sinews give way,
Strapped to a wheel, yet they shall not break;
Faith in their hands shall snap in two,
And the unicorn evils run them through;
Split all ends up they shan't crack;
And death shall have no dominion.

And death shall have no dominion.
No more may gulls cry at their ears
Or waves break loud on the seashores;
Where blew a flower may a flower no more
Lift its head to the blows of the rain;
Though they be mad and dead as nails,
Heads of the characters hammer through daisies;
Break in the sun till the sun breaks down,
And death shall have no dominion.

So kill away all human animals who have no hearts. It will all ripen
one day...

Speaking of global warming, and the little time that humanity
has left for its' conceits. The Senate put-off till next year
a bill to reduce green house gasses. The U.S. produces a quarter
of the worlds green houses. We HAVE to make HUGE changes in the
way we live, and our representative aren't giving us the leadership
to make that possible. They would rather play footsies with
lobbyists for campaign contributions and higher quarterly profits.
Are the sheep going to stand for this behavior?

We need leadership and we have pillagers.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/40156.html
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related

On Jun 7, 9:32 pm, Jangchub wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 18:34:09 -0400, Bill
wrote:

In article ,
Jangchub wrote:

Humans are the dumbest animals on the planet. They're also the most
vicious, heinous, violent, and heartless.

http://oldpoetry.com/oauthor/show/Su%20Tung-po

Still I wonder what to do tomorrow
Wondering
Yet dinner is announced

No choice but to ingest

Bill

I don't eat any animals or eggs any more, either. Next to go is all
dairy. Not sure the relevance of your poem, but one of my favorites
is...

If we're not supposed to eat them, why are they made of meat?

Chris

On Jun 7, 11:31 pm, Jangchub wrote:
On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 20:30:27 -0500, "Nelly Wensdow"



wrote:
WTF are you talking about? Relax, I'm here trying to save the babies. How
about something a little more constructive...like maybe how to relocate that
multi-family colony under the shed.

There are rabbits everywhere here, and their recent choice of a nesting site
leads me to think they're running out of room here, which isn't good for
anyone - most especially them. I can't even count how many near-misses I've
had, running over all the young'uns with the mower the last few years. (I
always mow high for that reason.) And if I did shoot a couple of them
(adults, in case I needed to spell that out), I'd be doing dual favors
really. They're good eating, and they would certainly not go to waste. And
they'd also stop eating all of what few vegs I try to grow in my tiny garden
to offset rising food scarcity/costs. And maybe they'd stop nesting in
inappropriate places & abandoning their babies. To me there's nothing worse
than watching babies starve (unless it's running over them with a mower
shudder). And maybe with a few less around maybe they'd start to look
healthier, less mangy & emaciated as they do. If you thought I advocate
shooting rabbits just because I prefer not to have them around then you
assumed too much.

Grow a heart in that garden of yours.

The simple fact is that humans have altered the ecological landscape
so much it is not longer possible to "let nature take its course".
Humans have to actively manage wildlife populations now, whether it's
rabbits, polar bears, or deer. If, as Nelly says, the rabbit
population is booming, then it's also headed for a crash, and the best
thing to do is reduce the population- by hunting or trapping. And yes,
it is possible to trap animals humanely. The alternative is to have a
pile of starving rabbits (or deer, or what have you) dying truly
miserable deaths, and making life miserable for the humans who would
not take the responsible steps.

And yes, feeding them really does make the crash worse in the long
run. Look up the history of the Jackson's Hole elk herd.

Chris

On Jun 7, 11:07 am, "Nelly Wensdow" wrote:
Just discovered them while trying to put in some big Coleus. What on earth
made them think it was a good place for a nest up off the ground, and what,
if anything, should I do? I don't want them in there. Will the mother move
them for me? Abandon them? What if I do (or don't) cover them back up? I'm
not sure if I hit one with my hand spade or not.

They're so widdle, I don't really want to kill them...at least not until
they start eating up all my plants, as they always do. We've already got a
ton of 'em around here, living underneath a shed out back. (And we're not
allowed to shoot them. In fact, it's illegal to even throw a snowball in
this town. Literally.)

Any suggestions?

If your municipality bans you from trapping them yourself (using a
live trap, like a Hav-A-Heart) then they should have some means of
animal control. Perhaps your county agricultural extension agent could
make a suggestion there? Most places will trap nuisance animals for
free, or low cost, and they would probably transport them to some
nearby wildlife area.

Good luck on that.

Chris

Jangchub said:

On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 06:41:44 -0700 (PDT), Chris
wrote:

On Jun 7, 9:32 pm, Jangchub wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 18:34:09 -0400, Bill
wrote:

In article ,
Jangchub wrote:

Humans are the dumbest animals on the planet. They're also the most
vicious, heinous, violent, and heartless.

http://oldpoetry.com/oauthor/show/Su%20Tung-po

Still I wonder what to do tomorrow
Wondering
Yet dinner is announced

No choice but to injest

Bill

I don't eat any animals or eggs any more, either. Next to go is all
dairy. Not sure the relevance of your poem, but one of my favorites
is...

If we're not supposed to eat them, why are they made of meat?

Chris

Humans are made of meat, do we eat humans, or apes, rats, cats, bats,
dogs? Some eat puppies I suppose somewhere in Asia. What is your
argument? I'm a vegetarian weaning off all animal food to vegan.
There is nothing wrong with that. I am the first to say one of the
most delicious things are lamb chops or prime rib. After seeing a
slaugherhouse while driving through Amarillo, TX I stopped eating
beef. I haven't eaten lamb in almost 40 years.

If humans weren't supposed to eat meat, then why do they have canine,
central, and lateral incisors? Were we supposed to be vegetarian, we would
have *only* molars. Humans are omnivores.

I always find it rather humorous when people play the "I saw a
slaughterhouse once..." card, to try and rationalize their point. Do you
think it was any more "humane" when prehistoric humanoids hunted their
food? Death to cattle in a slaughterhouse is much quicker than it was when
they were beat to death with a rock.

--

Eggs

The cost of living hasn't affected its popularity.

On Jun 8, 12:19 pm, Jangchub wrote:
On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 06:48:20 -0700 (PDT), Chris



wrote:
On Jun 7, 11:31 pm, Jangchub wrote:
On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 20:30:27 -0500, "Nelly Wensdow"

wrote:
WTF are you talking about? Relax, I'm here trying to save the babies. How
about something a little more constructive...like maybe how to relocate that
multi-family colony under the shed.

There are rabbits everywhere here, and their recent choice of a nesting site
leads me to think they're running out of room here, which isn't good for
anyone - most especially them. I can't even count how many near-misses I've
had, running over all the young'uns with the mower the last few years. (I
always mow high for that reason.) And if I did shoot a couple of them
(adults, in case I needed to spell that out), I'd be doing dual favors
really. They're good eating, and they would certainly not go to waste. And
they'd also stop eating all of what few vegs I try to grow in my tiny garden
to offset rising food scarcity/costs. And maybe they'd stop nesting in
inappropriate places & abandoning their babies. To me there's nothing worse
than watching babies starve (unless it's running over them with a mower
shudder). And maybe with a few less around maybe they'd start to look
healthier, less mangy & emaciated as they do. If you thought I advocate
shooting rabbits just because I prefer not to have them around then you
assumed too much.

Grow a heart in that garden of yours.

The simple fact is that humans have altered the ecological landscape
so much it is not longer possible to "let nature take its course".
Humans have to actively manage wildlife populations now, whether it's
rabbits, polar bears, or deer. If, as Nelly says, the rabbit
population is booming, then it's also headed for a crash, and the best
thing to do is reduce the population- by hunting or trapping. And yes,
it is possible to trap animals humanely. The alternative is to have a
pile of starving rabbits (or deer, or what have you) dying truly
miserable deaths, and making life miserable for the humans who would
not take the responsible steps.

And yes, feeding them really does make the crash worse in the long
run. Look up the history of the Jackson's Hole elk herd.

Chris

So by your explanation we should go to Africa and just shoot people
including orphaned children to AIDS to prevent them from starving to
death?

Nope. I happen to value human life more than animal life. Call me a
species chauvinist if you like, but I'll save a human life over a
different animal any time.

I suppose I see things from different point of view. All I
said to the OP was to grow a heart in that garden of hers. I didn't
get all histrionic.

And in saying that, you are being really insulting. You had absolutely
no right to call Nelly heartless, especially given the tone of her
post. What I gave you was a perfectly rational, ecologically sound
answer. If you've ever seen real habitat degradation because of some
animal overpopulating, you might have a different attitude.

Chris

Nelly Wensdow wrote:
Just discovered them while trying to put in some big Coleus. What on earth
made them think it was a good place for a nest up off the ground, and what,
if anything, should I do? I don't want them in there. Will the mother move
them for me? Abandon them? What if I do (or don't) cover them back up? I'm
not sure if I hit one with my hand spade or not.

They're so widdle, I don't really want to kill them...at least not until
they start eating up all my plants, as they always do. We've already got a
ton of 'em around here, living underneath a shed out back. (And we're not
allowed to shoot them. In fact, it's illegal to even throw a snowball in
this town. Literally.)

Any suggestions?

If you haven't done so already, look up a wildlife rescue/rehab
organization in your area.

"Jangchub" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 11:48:53 -0500, Eggs Zachtly
wrote:


If humans weren't supposed to eat meat, then why do they have canine,
central, and lateral incisors? Were we supposed to be vegetarian, we would
have *only* molars. Humans are omnivores.

Omnivores can eat meat and or vegetables. I haven't eaten meat of any
kind in years and I don't lack anything nutritionally.

I always find it rather humorous when people play the "I saw a
slaughterhouse once..." card, to try and rationalize their point. Do you
think it was any more "humane" when prehistoric humanoids hunted their
food? Death to cattle in a slaughterhouse is much quicker than it was when
they were beat to death with a rock.

It's not a "card" I'm playing. Animals are electricuted. Nice. I
always find it amusing when someone uses the caveman card to compare
how they did it then vs. how they do it now. I would think we would
have been further along in the evolutionary tract to understand the
suffering humans cause to animals. My entire point was that I don't
kill anything in my garden and if the animals eat the food I grow I am
not freaked out by it. They have every right to live as I do. We
have overpopulated the planet with people. I hardly think anyone
posting on a computer to Usenet is in any danger of running out of
food. If they are, maybe they should sell the computer.

The whole planet is in danger, dear. By 2020 it's estimated we'll need 50%
more food. That is a lot of food. There are other reasons for growing your
own than money savings, and you know it. People who're too lazy to make a
tiny bit more efficient use of the space they're taking up probably deserve
to be all the poorer. But here I've been trying to grow, amongst other
things, enough cukes each year from just 2 plants. I have rabbits; ok, so
I'll plant 50+ seeds. 3 of the last 4 years, the rabbits got every last one
of 'em. Thankfully there's still enough grown elsewhere to go around...for
now. I'm going to try bloodmeal this year & see how it goes.

You're a vegetarian and no, there's nothing wrong with that. There's also
nothing wrong with not being one, either. I'm doing what any other species'
ancestors down along the evolutionary line have come to do; there's no shame
in that. But you were right about one thing; people have and still are
foolishly overpopulating the earth; too many take up more space than they
need; and they are also cruel, evil, heinous (& all your other adjectives)
when they harm other living creatures unnecessarily. But not because they're
omivores. Or might dare to be brave enough to humanely destroy rabbits
rather than see them suffer.

Which incidentally I may not have to worry about, AFA the babies. We've had
an alarming amount of torrential rains over the last couple of days here
(Midwest), it's pouring buckets now, and we are in for more over the next
week. That planter just never drained well when it got that soaked. I want
to check in on them so much, but I fear disturbing the nest further may make
it worse, assuming it's not already ruined. I spoke with someone who raises
rabbits who told me that for whatever reason, they do not move their nests.
So looks like the thing to do is just keep avoiding it & let the situation
run its course. But I'm going to be more than just depressed if I have to
remove starved-dead babies.

On Jun 8, 8:25 pm, Jangchub wrote:
On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 12:26:00 -0700 (PDT), Chris

wrote:
So by your explanation we should go to Africa and just shoot people
including orphaned children to AIDS to prevent them from starving to
death?
Nope. I happen to value human life more than animal life. Call me a
species chauvinist if you like, but I'll save a human life over a
different animal any time.

I value all life. I am against abortion, but pro choice. I don't
like murder, but I'm against the death penalty. I see life as life
and it's all important to me. Like I said, I have a different view
than you.

Well, not as far as anything you mention above.

I suppose I see things from different point of view. All I
said to the OP was to grow a heart in that garden of hers. I didn't
get all histrionic.
And in saying that, you are being really insulting. You had absolutely
no right to call Nelly heartless, especially given the tone of her
post. What I gave you was a perfectly rational, ecologically sound
answer. If you've ever seen real habitat degradation because of some
animal overpopulating, you might have a different attitude.

Chris

I had every right to call her heartless. I live in America. Last
time I looked I had free speech protection. Isn't that what our
illustrious ass of a president killing people for?

OK, put that way, sure. You're wrong and inconsiderate and rude and a
host of other pejorative adjectives, but sure, you have the right, I
guess. And no, Bush isn't killing for free speech. He's killing for a
lot of reasons, like oil, and his tiny penis, and the fact he hasn't
had a drink in 20 years- but not freedom.


I have seen overpopulated areas where animals suffer. One such place
is the pen where they hold cattle before they kill them.

You have, then, no idea what horrific habitat degradation is like. Try
the photo he

http://www.nodakoutdoors.com/snow-goose-genetics.php

It's not just the particular species that suffers; it's whole
ecosystems.

I don't own
my property. I'm a steward of my property. Animals are life forms. I
plant extra for them.

Good for you. But your ethics are not universal, there's no reason for
them to be universal, and insulting someone who doesn't share them is
inappropriate, to say the least.

Chris