Training English ivy should be possible, even on a smooth vinyl fence,
since it clings to nearly any surface. To tell the truth, I don't
want the trouble of placing a trellis or anything else next to the
fence--it would be one more thing to contend with, the ivy will end up
all over the fence anyway, and my main object is to cover the fence,
which looks starkly plastic in the winter. My question is, how can I
best attach the ivy to the fence until such time as it begins to
attach itself? Can anyone recommend a type of tape designed for this
and a place in the United States from which to buy it? All I can find
Googling "gardening tape" and "plant tape" seem to be places in Asia,
and Home Depot and Gardeners' Supply seem never to have heard of such
a product. They sell Velcro plant tape, but I don't see how I'd
attach that to the fence. I need something adhesive which is
removable, biodegradable, or both. I'd rather there be no damage to
the fence except the necessary damage caused by the ivy roots. Thanks
for any assistance.

Cori

In article
,
Cori wrote:

Training English ivy should be possible, even on a smooth vinyl fence,
since it clings to nearly any surface. To tell the truth, I don't
want the trouble of placing a trellis or anything else next to the
fence--it would be one more thing to contend with, the ivy will end up
all over the fence anyway, and my main object is to cover the fence,
which looks starkly plastic in the winter. My question is, how can I
best attach the ivy to the fence until such time as it begins to
attach itself? Can anyone recommend a type of tape designed for this
and a place in the United States from which to buy it? All I can find
Googling "gardening tape" and "plant tape" seem to be places in Asia,
and Home Depot and Gardeners' Supply seem never to have heard of such
a product. They sell Velcro plant tape, but I don't see how I'd
attach that to the fence. I need something adhesive which is
removable, biodegradable, or both. I'd rather there be no damage to
the fence except the necessary damage caused by the ivy roots. Thanks
for any assistance.

Cori

Why not heavy coarse (hemp) string (vertically for climbing and
horizontally for tying)?
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Billy

Bush & Cheney, Behind Bars
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movemen...George_W._Bush

On Jan 25, 10:31*pm, Billy wrote:
In article
,

Why not heavy coarse (hemp) string (vertically for climbing and
horizontally for tying)?
--

Billy

One, attaching string to the ground might be easy enough, but I can't
think of any way to attach string along or across the top without
damaging the fence or nearby bushes and trees...I don't want to attach
foreign objects directly to the fence, let alone tie anything between
trees. Maybe with something removable, like REALLY STRONG suction
cups if those exist, but nothing like screws, hooks, or (shudder) duct
tape. Two, string would look ratty before the vines got high enough
to cover it, then it would rot and fall apart. "Word to the wise," of
course, is to plant ivy in a planter, not in the ground, to keep it
from spreading all over including under the fence, but I'd actually
rather hassle with removing stray creepers from the ground and
attaching them to the fence from time to time than to hassle with
planters, trellises, or any additional objects.

Cori

*Cori wrote:
Training English ivy should be possible, even on a smooth vinyl fence,
since it clings to nearly any surface. *To tell the truth, I don't
want the trouble of placing a trellis or anything else next to the
fence--it would be one more thing to contend with, the ivy will end up
all over the fence anyway, and my main object is to cover the fence,
which looks starkly plastic in the winter. *My question is, how can I
best attach the ivy to the fence until such time as it begins to
attach itself? *Can anyone recommend a type of tape designed for this
and a place in the United States from which to buy it? *All I can find
Googling "gardening tape" and "plant tape" seem to be places in Asia,
and Home Depot and Gardeners' Supply seem never to have heard of such
a product. *They sell Velcro plant tape, but I don't see how I'd
attach that to the fence. *I need something adhesive which is
removable, biodegradable, or both. *I'd rather there be no damage to
the fence except the necessary damage caused by the ivy roots. *Thanks
for any assistance.

Cori

For that matter, rather than trying to attach something to the fence
and attach string to that, perhaps I could attach small suction cups
directly to the fence and tie the ends of the creepers to the suction
cups. The suction cups are clear and wouldn't be unsightly like
string, or leave the kind of mess of sticking tape directly to the
fence--I wouldn't have to keep worrying how long can the tape stay on
and how will I remove any residue from leaving it too long. After one
creeper attaches, the suction cup could be removed and used to train
another creeper until they are all growing well enough. If anyone
knows anything about the tape, though, please post anyway in case the
suction cup idea doesn't work. Thanks.

Cori

On Jan 25, 11:40*pm, Cori wrote:
On Jan 25, 10:31*pm, Billy wrote:

In article
,

Why not heavy coarse (hemp) string (vertically for climbing and
horizontally for tying)?
--

Billy

One, attaching string to the ground might be easy enough, but I can't
think of any way to attach string along or across the top without
damaging the fence or nearby bushes and trees...I don't want to attach
foreign objects directly to the fence, let alone tie anything between
trees. *Maybe with something removable, like REALLY STRONG suction
cups if those exist, but nothing like screws, hooks, or (shudder) duct
tape. *Two, string would look ratty before the vines got high enough
to cover it, then it would rot and fall apart. *"Word to the wise," of
course, is to plant ivy in a planter, not in the ground, to keep it
from spreading all over including under the fence, but I'd actually
rather hassle with removing stray creepers from the ground and
attaching them to the fence from time to time than to hassle with
planters, trellises, or any additional objects.

Cori

In article
,
Cori wrote:

On Jan 25, 10:31*pm, Billy wrote:
In article
,

Why not heavy coarse (hemp) string (vertically for climbing and
horizontally for tying)?
--

Billy

One, attaching string to the ground might be easy enough, but I can't
think of any way to attach string along or across the top without
damaging the fence or nearby bushes and trees...I don't want to attach
foreign objects directly to the fence, let alone tie anything between
trees. Maybe with something removable, like REALLY STRONG suction
cups if those exist, but nothing like screws, hooks, or (shudder) duct
tape. Two, string would look ratty before the vines got high enough
to cover it, then it would rot and fall apart. "Word to the wise," of
course, is to plant ivy in a planter, not in the ground, to keep it
from spreading all over including under the fence, but I'd actually
rather hassle with removing stray creepers from the ground and
attaching them to the fence from time to time than to hassle with
planters, trellises, or any additional objects.

Cori

*Cori wrote:
Training English ivy should be possible, even on a smooth vinyl fence,
since it clings to nearly any surface. *To tell the truth, I don't
want the trouble of placing a trellis or anything else next to the
fence--it would be one more thing to contend with, the ivy will end up
all over the fence anyway, and my main object is to cover the fence,
which looks starkly plastic in the winter. *My question is, how can I
best attach the ivy to the fence until such time as it begins to
attach itself? *Can anyone recommend a type of tape designed for this
and a place in the United States from which to buy it? *All I can find
Googling "gardening tape" and "plant tape" seem to be places in Asia,
and Home Depot and Gardeners' Supply seem never to have heard of such
a product. *They sell Velcro plant tape, but I don't see how I'd
attach that to the fence. *I need something adhesive which is
removable, biodegradable, or both. *I'd rather there be no damage to
the fence except the necessary damage caused by the ivy roots. *Thanks
for any assistance.

Cori

OK. I hadn't quite grasped the concept that your fence was composed of
solid, rectilinear, plastic panels which you don't want to make look
tacky. Once I got my head around this concept, the leap to your desire
to effortlessly encourage ivy to cover this solid, rectilinear, plastic
panel barrier was much easier to come to terms with.

I suppose just moving to southern California, where you would find like
minded home owners, is out of the question?

I'm back to my string theory. Part of the beauty of it is that the
string will ultimately rot and compost itself (no clean up on your
part). I would integrate the vertical string into a series of pot
hangers that can be hung (10',15', 20' apart) on the top of your solid,
rectilinear, plastic panel fence. Where ever a pot and string were
placed, it would encourage the ivy to mount the wall (if I can say
that). Visually, the desired result would be a series of crests and
troughs reminiscent of ocean waves.

Bonne chance.


Flower Pot Hangers

http://www.hooksandlattice.com/flowerpot.html

http://lawn-and-garden.hardwarestore...t-holders.aspx

http://www.backyardstyle.com/shop/hookshangers.php

http://www.hangapot.com/howitworks.php
--

Billy

Bush & Cheney, Behind Bars
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Sto...917874,00.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movemen...George_W._Bush

In article ,
"kzin" wrote:

On 26-Jan-2008, Billy wrote:

OK. I hadn't quite grasped the concept that your fence was composed of
solid, rectilinear, plastic panels which you don't want to make look
tacky.

snip

this solid, rectilinear, plastic
panel barrier was much easier to come to terms with.


snip

solid, rectilinear, plastic panel fence.


what are ya tryin to say Billy?

Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly:-)
--

Billy

Bush & Cheney, Behind Bars
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Sto...917874,00.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movemen...George_W._Bush

In article ,
"kzin" wrote:

On 26-Jan-2008, Billy wrote:

Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly:-)

hey those panels came from the Phyllis Stein collection....

Kitsch is back?
http://members.aol.com/lwitchel/phyllis.htm
--

Billy

Bush & Cheney, Behind Bars
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Sto...917874,00.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movemen...George_W._Bush

Yes, Billy, you have described the fence in question with uncanny
clarity and near-perfect exactitude. And, yes, your idea is probably
best. As long as I could rig up something subtle yet insidiously
ingenious to hook over the edge or run along near the top of the fence
without permanent attachment (forming a mark) my subtle yet
insidiously ingenious plan may work. I hear from an "expert" that ivy
probably won't root on a surface as smooth as vinyl, yet the internet
is rife with stories of ivy wreaking havoc on vinyl siding, so I don't
see why not. Once the strings give it something with which to start,
it will doubtless run riot and have no trouble forming a covering.
(And, if I lived near "like-minded" people, that damn nuisance of a
fence wouldn't be there.)

Cori

On Jan 26, 12:36*pm, "kzin" wrote:
On 26-Jan-2008, Billy wrote:

OK. I hadn't quite grasped the concept that your fence was composed of
solid, rectilinear, plastic panels which you don't want to make look
tacky.

snip

this solid, rectilinear, plastic
panel barrier was much easier to come to terms with.

snip

*solid, rectilinear, plastic panel fence.

what are ya tryin to say Billy?

My pre-sence here iz no long-ger required. Ze problaim iz solved. Kato,
to the "Silver Hornet" and away.

In article
,
Cori wrote:

Yes, Billy, you have described the fence in question with uncanny
clarity and near-perfect exactitude. And, yes, your idea is probably
best. As long as I could rig up something subtle yet insidiously
ingenious to hook over the edge or run along near the top of the fence
without permanent attachment (forming a mark) my subtle yet
insidiously ingenious plan may work. I hear from an "expert" that ivy
probably won't root on a surface as smooth as vinyl, yet the internet
is rife with stories of ivy wreaking havoc on vinyl siding, so I don't
see why not. Once the strings give it something with which to start,
it will doubtless run riot and have no trouble forming a covering.
(And, if I lived near "like-minded" people, that damn nuisance of a
fence wouldn't be there.)

Cori

On Jan 26, 12:36*pm, "kzin" wrote:
On 26-Jan-2008, Billy wrote:

OK. I hadn't quite grasped the concept that your fence was composed of
solid, rectilinear, plastic panels which you don't want to make look
tacky.

snip

this solid, rectilinear, plastic
panel barrier was much easier to come to terms with.

snip

*solid, rectilinear, plastic panel fence.

what are ya tryin to say Billy?
--

Billy

Bush & Cheney, Behind Bars
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Sto...917874,00.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movemen...George_W._Bush

3M command adhesive comes in small hooks that could be used to support the
twine. Much more reliable than suction cups and probably even cheaper. The
hooks are reusable with a new adhesive pad, so they could be moved up the
fence as the ivy takes over, to prevent the twine being so visible. Yet, I
think that ivy over the vinyl fence is not going to work well for you, it is
worth a try. The vinyl fences I have seen are very smooth and slick. I
just don't know if ivy will cling to it well enough to stay. But, I do
agree that the vinyl fences are stark looking without something over them.

You might look into Manhattan euonymus. It is evergreen in most climates
and "climbs" up the fence or wall by leaning into it rather that attaching
with suckers.

Good Luck.



"Cori" wrote in message
...
Training English ivy should be possible, even on a smooth vinyl fence,
since it clings to nearly any surface. To tell the truth, I don't
want the trouble of placing a trellis or anything else next to the
fence--it would be one more thing to contend with, the ivy will end up
all over the fence anyway, and my main object is to cover the fence,
which looks starkly plastic in the winter. My question is, how can I
best attach the ivy to the fence until such time as it begins to
attach itself? Can anyone recommend a type of tape designed for this
and a place in the United States from which to buy it? All I can find
Googling "gardening tape" and "plant tape" seem to be places in Asia,
and Home Depot and Gardeners' Supply seem never to have heard of such
a product. They sell Velcro plant tape, but I don't see how I'd
attach that to the fence. I need something adhesive which is
removable, biodegradable, or both. I'd rather there be no damage to
the fence except the necessary damage caused by the ivy roots. Thanks
for any assistance.

Cori

On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 22:49:16 -0700, Dale P wrote:
3M command adhesive comes in small hooks that could be used to support the
twine. Much more reliable than suction cups and probably even cheaper. The
hooks are reusable with a new adhesive pad, so they could be moved up the
fence as the ivy takes over, to prevent the twine being so visible. Yet, I
think that ivy over the vinyl fence is not going to work well for you, it is
worth a try. The vinyl fences I have seen are very smooth and slick. I
just don't know if ivy will cling to it well enough to stay. But, I do

Exactly. But I imagine a little bit of sandblast (or even just
sandpaper) to roughen the surface...

removable, biodegradable, or both. I'd rather there be no damage to
the fence except the necessary damage caused by the ivy roots. Thanks

A bit of roughen is insignificant compared to ivy.

sdb

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replying to Cori, bette wrote:
cmashieldscapting wrote:

For that matter, rather than trying to attach something to the fence
and attach string to that, perhaps I could attach small suction cups
directly to the fence and tie the ends of the creepers to the suction
cups. The suction cups are clear and wouldn't be unsightly like
string, or leave the kind of mess of sticking tape directly to the
fence--I wouldn't have to keep worrying how long can the tape stay on
and how will I remove any residue from leaving it too long. After one
creeper attaches, the suction cup could be removed and used to train
another creeper until they are all growing well enough. If anyone
knows anything about the tape, though, please post anyway in case the
suction cup idea doesn't work. Thanks.
Cori


I'm just starting to deal with the vinyl fence problem Did the ivy ever
fasten itself to your fence?

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replying to Cori, Janet wrote:
I am using plastic self adhesive hooks, though this is in my porch so they
won't get wet. I think tape might damage the stems. I have heard of fishing
line to loop around the stems and tie to eg a post to hold in place,

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replying to Cori, Jan Egan wrote:
Hope this helps
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