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Shredding & blowing peat moss on lawn?
"George.com" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "George.com" wrote in message ... "Andrew Ostrander" wrote in message ... Think about the purpose of using peat moss this way. It is not to improve the soil. It is to help establish fresh additional grass in an existing sparse lawn that will not be dug up. The purpose of the peat moss is to retain moisture as the seeds germinate and develop. if the plan is to retain moisture and reduce watering surely a far simpler way of doing it is to peg some form of cloth across the soil until the seeds start to germinate. Good idea, but the OP said she has an 8000 sq ft area. That's a lot of burlap! you can get waste stuff if you look in the right places. Sure, it will be a bit of work however simply spreading seed on an 8000 sq ft area will be work in itself, as well as watering, as well as blowing peat fluff all over it. With something that large there is work there all rightregardless of what direction you go. rob ps a great area for dogs to go and poo on or to bend your garden fork levering out roots. rob |
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Shredding & blowing peat moss on lawn?
"George.com" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "George.com" wrote in message ... "Andrew Ostrander" wrote in message ... Think about the purpose of using peat moss this way. It is not to improve the soil. It is to help establish fresh additional grass in an existing sparse lawn that will not be dug up. The purpose of the peat moss is to retain moisture as the seeds germinate and develop. if the plan is to retain moisture and reduce watering surely a far simpler way of doing it is to peg some form of cloth across the soil until the seeds start to germinate. Good idea, but the OP said she has an 8000 sq ft area. That's a lot of burlap! you can get waste stuff if you look in the right places. Sure, it will be a bit of work however simply spreading seed on an 8000 sq ft area will be work in itself, as well as watering, as well as blowing peat fluff all over it. With something that large there is work there all rightregardless of what direction you go. rob I agree. If it were my lawn, I'd do the job during a vacation week so I could be out there misting it whenever necessary. |
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Shredding & blowing peat moss on lawn?
"George.com" wrote in message ... "George.com" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "George.com" wrote in message ... "Andrew Ostrander" wrote in message ... Think about the purpose of using peat moss this way. It is not to improve the soil. It is to help establish fresh additional grass in an existing sparse lawn that will not be dug up. The purpose of the peat moss is to retain moisture as the seeds germinate and develop. if the plan is to retain moisture and reduce watering surely a far simpler way of doing it is to peg some form of cloth across the soil until the seeds start to germinate. Good idea, but the OP said she has an 8000 sq ft area. That's a lot of burlap! you can get waste stuff if you look in the right places. Sure, it will be a bit of work however simply spreading seed on an 8000 sq ft area will be work in itself, as well as watering, as well as blowing peat fluff all over it. With something that large there is work there all rightregardless of what direction you go. rob ps a great area for dogs to go and poo on or to bend your garden fork levering out roots. rob Don't get me started about dogs and their mentally retarded owners. Just don't. |
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says... snip I wonder about those slurries I've heard about, where you can spray the seed all over, in a mix of stuff that keeps it moist and helps it germinate. But that's probably big expensive government stuff. You mean?: http://www.turfmaker.com./ Bill -- Gmail and Google Groups. This century's answer to AOL and WebTV. |
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Good! When you can explain your theories, and why they fly in the face of
virtually ALL other professional recommendations, including those on the peat moss packages, I'll be happy to change my opinion. But, all you've done is said "I think this should work and the facts are of no important". You may as well be telling someone to stick a gun in his mouth and pull the trigger because you think the history of bullet wounds is nonsense. "Andrew Ostrander" wrote in message ... I am tremendously amused. You remarks were most entertaining. Thank you. "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... Your observations are at best the products of delusion. Please accept that I mean this in a good way. You have no idea what you saw. The only possible exception to what I've said is that you are home all day long, and are able to hose down the lawn's surface every couple of hours. Aside from that possibility, or living in a climate where it rains lightly and endlessly every day, there are no other explanations. "Andrew Ostrander" wrote in message ... Think about the purpose of using peat moss this way. It is not to improve the soil. It is to help establish fresh additional grass in an existing sparse lawn that will not be dug up. The purpose of the peat moss is to retain moisture as the seeds germinate and develop. My evidence is my own observation that peat moss remains moist much longer than the surface of my lawn. Thus a lawn with peat moss on top will need less frequent watering, perhaps twice a day to keep the grass seed moist instead of every hour during midday. It will also shield the seeds from the direct sunlight, which could dry them out no matter what they're on. The claims of you and your authorities that mixing peat moss into soil is the best way to use it to improve the soil, and just leaving it on top is, at best, useless, seem undeniable. But that is not the goal here or the situation. The moss will be kept moist until the grass is established. The fact that peat moss is useful when dug in does not prevent it from being useful in other ways too. "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... Question: In 30+ years of gardening, I've have never seen any advice indicating that peat moss did NOT need to be mixed into soil. Never. Not once, and this includes gardening veterans like James Crockett, Alan Lacy, Henry Mitchell, Fred McGourty, Russell Page, Christopher Lloyd, etc. They were gardening for 30-50 years before I even began. None of them suggest that it's a good idea to just sprinkle peat moss on top of soil. What evidence do you have that suddenly makes this a good idea? "Andrew Ostrander" wrote in message ... I see two significant advantages to using peat as described -- it reduces the frequency of waterings that are needed and surrounds the seeds and provides them with a constant level of humidity. It sounds like a good idea to me. And you could have had the same results with less water if you didn't have to provide enough water to both keep the peat hydrated and have enough left over for the seeds to germinate. You wasted money on the peat, and then you wasted money by having to water more. Unless you mix the peat into the soil, there is zero advantage to using it. In fact, if you just spread it on top, it's a waste. A waste of peat. A waste of water. And a waste of effort. The peat has no nutriative value, and if it's not mixed in the soil, it does nothing to help the soil at all. -- Warren H. |
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You still persist in your error in logic.
You have not referred to any professional recommendation or evidence that says the method does not work. The professional recommendations to which you refer say to use peat moss another way, which is not applicable here. That does not mean it will not work in the way that is suggested here. That peat moss is recommended for method B and works in method B does not mean that it does not work in method A. I notice that you ignored my previous posting to a garden site that recommended applying peat moss on top of a lawn when reseeding. Here are 3 more. They were easily found. http://www.hudginsgardencenter.com/h...care_guide.htm http://extras.berkshireeagle.com/neb...ault.asp?id=ar ticle18 http://www.skynursery.com/doc/garden_lawn_tips.htm My other point is that, yes, I wrote, "I think this should work". I am disagreeing with your opinion. I did not present my opinion as accepted truth. You, on the other hand, have presented as known fact what is only your view on the situation. "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... Good! When you can explain your theories, and why they fly in the face of virtually ALL other professional recommendations, including those on the peat moss packages, I'll be happy to change my opinion. But, all you've done is said "I think this should work and the facts are of no important". You may as well be telling someone to stick a gun in his mouth and pull the trigger because you think the history of bullet wounds is nonsense. "Andrew Ostrander" wrote in message ... I am tremendously amused. You remarks were most entertaining. Thank you. "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... Your observations are at best the products of delusion. Please accept that I mean this in a good way. You have no idea what you saw. The only possible exception to what I've said is that you are home all day long, and are able to hose down the lawn's surface every couple of hours. Aside from that possibility, or living in a climate where it rains lightly and endlessly every day, there are no other explanations. "Andrew Ostrander" wrote in message ... Think about the purpose of using peat moss this way. It is not to improve the soil. It is to help establish fresh additional grass in an existing sparse lawn that will not be dug up. The purpose of the peat moss is to retain moisture as the seeds germinate and develop. My evidence is my own observation that peat moss remains moist much longer than the surface of my lawn. Thus a lawn with peat moss on top will need less frequent watering, perhaps twice a day to keep the grass seed moist instead of every hour during midday. It will also shield the seeds from the direct sunlight, which could dry them out no matter what they're on. The claims of you and your authorities that mixing peat moss into soil is the best way to use it to improve the soil, and just leaving it on top is, at best, useless, seem undeniable. But that is not the goal here or the situation. The moss will be kept moist until the grass is established. The fact that peat moss is useful when dug in does not prevent it from being useful in other ways too. "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... Question: In 30+ years of gardening, I've have never seen any advice indicating that peat moss did NOT need to be mixed into soil. Never. Not once, and this includes gardening veterans like James Crockett, Alan Lacy, Henry Mitchell, Fred McGourty, Russell Page, Christopher Lloyd, etc. They were gardening for 30-50 years before I even began. None of them suggest that it's a good idea to just sprinkle peat moss on top of soil. What evidence do you have that suddenly makes this a good idea? "Andrew Ostrander" wrote in message ... I see two significant advantages to using peat as described -- it reduces the frequency of waterings that are needed and surrounds the seeds and provides them with a constant level of humidity. It sounds like a good idea to me. And you could have had the same results with less water if you didn't have to provide enough water to both keep the peat hydrated and have enough left over for the seeds to germinate. You wasted money on the peat, and then you wasted money by having to water more. Unless you mix the peat into the soil, there is zero advantage to using it. In fact, if you just spread it on top, it's a waste. A waste of peat. A waste of water. And a waste of effort. The peat has no nutriative value, and if it's not mixed in the soil, it does nothing to help the soil at all. -- Warren H. |
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I don't care WHAT they say. Experience shows otherwise. It *might* work if
sprinkled on top of the seed, but only if you're there to keep it moist. This would eliminate its functionality for anyone who has to go to work for 8 hours on a sunny day. "Andrew Ostrander" wrote in message ... You still persist in your error in logic. You have not referred to any professional recommendation or evidence that says the method does not work. The professional recommendations to which you refer say to use peat moss another way, which is not applicable here. That does not mean it will not work in the way that is suggested here. That peat moss is recommended for method B and works in method B does not mean that it does not work in method A. I notice that you ignored my previous posting to a garden site that recommended applying peat moss on top of a lawn when reseeding. Here are 3 more. They were easily found. http://www.hudginsgardencenter.com/h...care_guide.htm http://extras.berkshireeagle.com/neb...ault.asp?id=ar ticle18 http://www.skynursery.com/doc/garden_lawn_tips.htm My other point is that, yes, I wrote, "I think this should work". I am disagreeing with your opinion. I did not present my opinion as accepted truth. You, on the other hand, have presented as known fact what is only your view on the situation. "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... Good! When you can explain your theories, and why they fly in the face of virtually ALL other professional recommendations, including those on the peat moss packages, I'll be happy to change my opinion. But, all you've done is said "I think this should work and the facts are of no important". You may as well be telling someone to stick a gun in his mouth and pull the trigger because you think the history of bullet wounds is nonsense. "Andrew Ostrander" wrote in message ... I am tremendously amused. You remarks were most entertaining. Thank you. "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... Your observations are at best the products of delusion. Please accept that I mean this in a good way. You have no idea what you saw. The only possible exception to what I've said is that you are home all day long, and are able to hose down the lawn's surface every couple of hours. Aside from that possibility, or living in a climate where it rains lightly and endlessly every day, there are no other explanations. "Andrew Ostrander" wrote in message ... Think about the purpose of using peat moss this way. It is not to improve the soil. It is to help establish fresh additional grass in an existing sparse lawn that will not be dug up. The purpose of the peat moss is to retain moisture as the seeds germinate and develop. My evidence is my own observation that peat moss remains moist much longer than the surface of my lawn. Thus a lawn with peat moss on top will need less frequent watering, perhaps twice a day to keep the grass seed moist instead of every hour during midday. It will also shield the seeds from the direct sunlight, which could dry them out no matter what they're on. The claims of you and your authorities that mixing peat moss into soil is the best way to use it to improve the soil, and just leaving it on top is, at best, useless, seem undeniable. But that is not the goal here or the situation. The moss will be kept moist until the grass is established. The fact that peat moss is useful when dug in does not prevent it from being useful in other ways too. "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... Question: In 30+ years of gardening, I've have never seen any advice indicating that peat moss did NOT need to be mixed into soil. Never. Not once, and this includes gardening veterans like James Crockett, Alan Lacy, Henry Mitchell, Fred McGourty, Russell Page, Christopher Lloyd, etc. They were gardening for 30-50 years before I even began. None of them suggest that it's a good idea to just sprinkle peat moss on top of soil. What evidence do you have that suddenly makes this a good idea? "Andrew Ostrander" wrote in message ... I see two significant advantages to using peat as described -- it reduces the frequency of waterings that are needed and surrounds the seeds and provides them with a constant level of humidity. It sounds like a good idea to me. And you could have had the same results with less water if you didn't have to provide enough water to both keep the peat hydrated and have enough left over for the seeds to germinate. You wasted money on the peat, and then you wasted money by having to water more. Unless you mix the peat into the soil, there is zero advantage to using it. In fact, if you just spread it on top, it's a waste. A waste of peat. A waste of water. And a waste of effort. The peat has no nutriative value, and if it's not mixed in the soil, it does nothing to help the soil at all. -- Warren H. |
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Shredding & blowing peat moss on lawn?
Mama Bear wrote: Bill wrote : In article , says... snip I wonder about those slurries I've heard about, where you can spray the seed all over, in a mix of stuff that keeps it moist and helps it germinate. But that's probably big expensive government stuff. You mean?: http://www.turfmaker.com./ Yep, must be government stuff. I doubt the government owns any of those. I think they are owned by subcontractors who provide the service to the prime contractor on construction projects. I know they recently redid some roads here, with new paving, curbs, and sidewalks, and some contractor came around and sprayed the stuff. I have also seen it done when a developer is building homes. If you want to look into it, call a large contractor and ask for the name of his subcontractor. You could probably have it done without having to buy the equipment, but I would guess it would be more expensive than the traditional method I described above. I'm not real confident that the slurry alone will produce a nice lawn; I think it will produce a lawn with a lot of ryegrass, and you will have to do something to get a finer grass to replace that. I worked in a new building where they had used the slurry, and in the two years I was there, they never got to the point where the grass looked good. |
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Shredding & blowing peat moss on lawn?
"Andrew Ostrander" wrote in message ... You still persist in your error in logic. You have not referred to any professional recommendation or evidence that says the method does not work. The professional recommendations to which you refer say to use peat moss another way, which is not applicable here. That does not mean it will not work in the way that is suggested here. That peat moss is recommended for method B and works in method B does not mean that it does not work in method A. I notice that you ignored my previous posting to a garden site that recommended applying peat moss on top of a lawn when reseeding. Here are 3 more. They were easily found. http://www.hudginsgardencenter.com/h...care_guide.htm http://extras.berkshireeagle.com/neb...ault.asp?id=ar ticle18 http://www.skynursery.com/doc/garden_lawn_tips.htm My other point is that, yes, I wrote, "I think this should work". I am disagreeing with your opinion. I did not present my opinion as accepted truth. You, on the other hand, have presented as known fact what is only your view on the situation. Andrew. A point of clarification here. The websites you referred to, one talked about topdressing existing lawns with peat moss by raking it into the existing turf and the other sugested covering grass seed with peat moss. The first suggestion is, as far as I can see, about conditioning your soil and adding organic material using a no till method. The latter does not explain how to moss is to be applied. The original post was about shredding and blowning peat moss on to newly laid grass seed. The unanswered question for me is the blowing bit. I cannot see bits of peat moss fluff doing much. Getting it in to the right areas at the right thickness must require raking. Bits of peat moss lying over a soil must be subject to wind blow. What happens when the seed starts to germinate and they have a nice layer of mulch stopping them getting to the sun. Of interest value only, your opinion please. rob (rest of discussion snipped) |
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http://www.hudginsgardencenter.com/h...care_guide.htm http://extras.berkshireeagle.com/neb...ault.asp?id=ar ticle18 http://www.skynursery.com/doc/garden_lawn_tips.htm Andrew. A point of clarification here. The websites you referred to, one talked about topdressing existing lawns with peat moss by raking it into the existing turf and the other sugested covering grass seed with peat moss. The first suggestion is, as far as I can see, about conditioning your soil and adding organic material using a no till method. The latter does not explain how to moss is to be applied. The original post was about shredding and blowning peat moss on to newly laid grass seed. No, actually every web site refers to putting peat moss on top of seed when reseeding a lawn. I will quote one or two sentences from each of the web sites: "After applying lime, fertilizer, and seed to your lawn, we recommend you cover the newly seeded areas with a light covering of peat moss or straw. Peat moss is the most desirable and is excellent for average size areas." "If your lawn is sparse, mix in seed with the peat moss when you're top-dressing, and spread it with a rake." "Apply seed, lime, and starter fertilizer, cover with peat moss or Grass Mulch and thoroughly water." The unanswered question for me is the blowing bit. I cannot see bits of peat moss fluff doing much. Getting it in to the right areas at the right thickness must require raking. Bits of peat moss lying over a soil must be subject to wind blow. What happens when the seed starts to germinate and they have a nice layer of mulch stopping them getting to the sun. Of interest value only, your opinion please. rob (rest of discussion snipped) I don't know how blowing can be done. If the peat moss is dry it will blow all over, better wear a dust mask for sure. If it is moist, it's harder to blow. I never regarded the blowing as basic to the points I was disagreeing with. After the seed germinates the young blade will have to push its way through a layer of moist peat moss. I don't see this as a problem; after all, peat moss is a major component of most seed starter mixes. |
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Mama Bear:
I`m sorry you have to put up with the few yahoos in this group (but at least there are a few good ones out there) who feel they have to denigrate someone just to justify their own feelings of inadequacy. First of all, you were trying to follow up on something that you`d heard about and thought was a good idea. There`s no harm in that... what this bunch SHOULD have done is say, "well now, how good is this source?" THEN say that they recommend you incorporate your peat moss into the soil... etc. etc. etc.! Realistically speaking, peat moss should be incorporated into the soil. Even if it`s just a light scattering of 10 bales over a large (I think one previous post said 8000 sq ft.) area, under any circumstances, a light raking to evenly distribute it and incorporate it into the topsoil should be OK and help conserve moisture. The moisture wicking action only occurs under extremely dry conditions when the air moisture is considerably less than the soil moisture (more rapid if air moisture is 20-30% less than soil, especially if wind is blowing) and depends extensively on where you live. You should not have to buy a shredder/blower for this (or even rent one) as dry peat moss is extremely friable and can be broken down in a wheelbarrow with a spade. The alternative is to ask a company to blow your grass seed onto your lawn. They do this with a kind of a slurry which is dyed green and likely contains a mulch of partly-digested paper which helps to conserve moisture (much like peat moss, if properly utilized). Since they do this with specialized equipment, and I`m not entirely familiar with this method of applying grass seeds, perhaps someone could expand on this? There should be several companies in your area whith this capabiliy - I suggest you shop around and compare prices. If they`re a little out of your range, you can suggest that they seed at half the rate they normally do (i.e. half the density of grass seed per litre of mulch or something like that) then when they finish (wait till they`re gone!), go over the entire lawn with a manual spreader and a bag of premium grass seed. Good luck Mama Bear! My website (blogsite) is located at www.GCILifeSciences.blogspot.com, which also lists discussion groups I moderate. Feel free to add your opinion to these groups. |
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I imagine the use of sphagnum peat over a newly seeded lawn is meant to help
hold moisture while the seed germinates. Just supposing, tho, as I didn't see the original post. Suzy, Wisconsin, Zone 5 "George.com" wrote in message ... "Andrew Ostrander" wrote in message ... You still persist in your error in logic. You have not referred to any professional recommendation or evidence that says the method does not work. The professional recommendations to which you refer say to use peat moss another way, which is not applicable here. That does not mean it will not work in the way that is suggested here. That peat moss is recommended for method B and works in method B does not mean that it does not work in method A. I notice that you ignored my previous posting to a garden site that recommended applying peat moss on top of a lawn when reseeding. Here are 3 more. They were easily found. http://www.hudginsgardencenter.com/h...care_guide.htm http://extras.berkshireeagle.com/neb...ault.asp?id=ar ticle18 http://www.skynursery.com/doc/garden_lawn_tips.htm My other point is that, yes, I wrote, "I think this should work". I am disagreeing with your opinion. I did not present my opinion as accepted truth. You, on the other hand, have presented as known fact what is only your view on the situation. Andrew. A point of clarification here. The websites you referred to, one talked about topdressing existing lawns with peat moss by raking it into the existing turf and the other sugested covering grass seed with peat moss. The first suggestion is, as far as I can see, about conditioning your soil and adding organic material using a no till method. The latter does not explain how to moss is to be applied. The original post was about shredding and blowning peat moss on to newly laid grass seed. The unanswered question for me is the blowing bit. I cannot see bits of peat moss fluff doing much. Getting it in to the right areas at the right thickness must require raking. Bits of peat moss lying over a soil must be subject to wind blow. What happens when the seed starts to germinate and they have a nice layer of mulch stopping them getting to the sun. Of interest value only, your opinion please. rob (rest of discussion snipped) |
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"Plant Info" wrote in message ... I imagine the use of sphagnum peat over a newly seeded lawn is meant to help hold moisture while the seed germinates. Just supposing, tho, as I didn't see the original post. Suzy, Wisconsin, Zone 5 yes, that was the idea. It may work however I think there are easier and more sure fire ways of going about it. Seems work and a waste of good peat moss to my mind. rob "George.com" wrote in message ... "Andrew Ostrander" wrote in message ... You still persist in your error in logic. You have not referred to any professional recommendation or evidence that says the method does not work. The professional recommendations to which you refer say to use peat moss another way, which is not applicable here. That does not mean it will not work in the way that is suggested here. That peat moss is recommended for method B and works in method B does not mean that it does not work in method A. I notice that you ignored my previous posting to a garden site that recommended applying peat moss on top of a lawn when reseeding. Here are 3 more. They were easily found. http://www.hudginsgardencenter.com/h...care_guide.htm http://extras.berkshireeagle.com/neb...ault.asp?id=ar ticle18 http://www.skynursery.com/doc/garden_lawn_tips.htm My other point is that, yes, I wrote, "I think this should work". I am disagreeing with your opinion. I did not present my opinion as accepted truth. You, on the other hand, have presented as known fact what is only your view on the situation. Andrew. A point of clarification here. The websites you referred to, one talked about topdressing existing lawns with peat moss by raking it into the existing turf and the other sugested covering grass seed with peat moss. The first suggestion is, as far as I can see, about conditioning your soil and adding organic material using a no till method. The latter does not explain how to moss is to be applied. The original post was about shredding and blowning peat moss on to newly laid grass seed. The unanswered question for me is the blowing bit. I cannot see bits of peat moss fluff doing much. Getting it in to the right areas at the right thickness must require raking. Bits of peat moss lying over a soil must be subject to wind blow. What happens when the seed starts to germinate and they have a nice layer of mulch stopping them getting to the sun. Of interest value only, your opinion please. rob (rest of discussion snipped) |
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"Doug Kanter" wrote:
How do you choose a doctor? Look for a little kid with a toy stethoscope? The kid probably gives more honest and better advice. Jim Carlock Post replies to the group. "Clean your finger before you point at my spots." Benjamin Franklin -- (Swimming Pools http://www.aquaticcreationsnc.com/) |
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On Tuesday, April 4, 2006 8:18:12 PM UTC-4, Mama Bear wrote:
Someone was telling me that they can use a shredder-blower to shred peat moss and spray a think layer of it all over your lawn after putting down grass seed, then you water and it helps keep the moisture in and start the seed so it doesn't dry out. What do they call the blower that can do that and what do they usually cost? -- - Mama Bear Mama Bear: You can buy a leaf vacuum/blower at any big box store like Home Depot or Lowes, as well as many, many stores that sell gardening equipment. Many, perhaps most, use the fan blade to chop up leaves as well and are perfect for spreading peat moss. The ones I'm familiar with are electric and you should be able to find one for considerably less than $100, particularly if you wait for the fall sales. The cost of the bales of peat moss should be in the neighbourhood of +/- $25 per 1000 square feet. Go to the following YouTube link to see a video demonstration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJDkRcLrLzk On another note, I sympathize with regard to people who ignore the simple straight-forward question you ask and instead clog the thread with irrelevant and unasked for advice, much of it simply wrong, which leaves you and others who might have come across your post in search of an simple answer to a simple question absolutely frustrated. People, if you can't answer the question that was asked of you here, BUZZ, for lack of the stronger word, OFF!!!!! |
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