Janet, I have run the absolute best virus and trojan detector that there is.
I also have service provider's with an ISDN which has a HIGH security
capability and Maximum virus and trojan protection. What I was told is that
when I sent the comics to you and others, the attached trojan was put in as
the e-mail was going thru other providers and servers. I don't personally
HAVE a trojan virus. We ran every scan and detection there was capable and
came up with a completely clean report tonight. I only found spyware, and I
deleted that. So I did NOT have a trojan attached. It attached going thru
the various servers and providers. (I sent the comic to a few gardening
friends).

Having said that, sweetie, I would never in any way send viruses. Not after
I accidentally sent one back in 1999. If you've never noticed at the bottom
of my e-mails there is a notice that says something like this:

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.0/290 - Release Date: 3/23/2006

Now to further convince you.......the above message was at the bottom of the
gardening comics e-mail I sent you, because EVERYTHING I send to EVERYONE I
send to MYSELF. Insuring that it's virus free. So honey, twern't
me...............................but if you still want me to never send you
anything again, I'll gladly oblige. Of course that will mean no jpg's of
the workings of the fairies, but oh well, it's something I'll just deal
with. I just love to share, but I DON'T share trojans or viruses as I have
the BEST in detection and elimination. I haven't had a virus or trojan in
YEARS.

hope things are well other than that with you. I look forward to hearing
from you as I try and post things that are happening up in Fairy Holler

madgardener

"madgardener" wrote:
snipinformation denying viral attachements/snip

Hiya,

(1) Hard to tell what your name is from your signature. :-)
(2) Even the best virus scanners do not detect everything.
(3) All of the virus scanners in the world cannot detect that you have
not installed ALL of the Microsoft updates.
(4) Microsoft builds software with open holes in it so even IF you
have no virus, all Microsoft operating systems are a viral, trojanus,
insecure systems themselves. shrug Take that as you like it, but it's
pretty much the truth. For instance, IF you have NetBIOS running
as a network protocol on any network adapter, people can easily
get your password. Only one particular software that I know of
REQUIRED NetBEUI/NetBIOS (ACT, some kind of overpriced
contact management software, perhaps it requires it not any longer).

To madgardener, create your contact list as a group name and then
then BCC everyone in the list. That way when you mass email you
send it to the group name, the people receiving the email see it as
being sent to the group name and do not see the email addresses
that you mailed out to. This prevents others from mailing out to your
clients and it prevents others from claiming that YOU mailed trojan,
viral software to them.

If you need some help setting up the group name configured, post a
message back and I'll see what I can do to help out. I'm familiar with
how to do it via Outlook Express and I imagine it works in pretty
much the same way for other email clients, but it seems you use OE
as well, so I think we'll be right on target there.

Jim Carlock
Post replies to the group.

madgardener wrote:
Janet, I have run the absolute best virus and trojan detector that there
is.

What is "best" changes often. And none are perfect.

I also have service provider's with an ISDN which has a HIGH security
capability and Maximum virus and trojan protection.

ISDN has no special properties to protect against anything. How fast the
line coming into your house is absolutely irrelevant.

What I was told is that when I sent the comics to you and others, the
attached trojan was put in as the e-mail was going thru other providers
and servers.

Your message, intact, is passed along. It cannot be infected along the way.
At the final destination, the recipient's anti-virus software, if it detects
a problem, can clean the message. But there is no point along the way where
it can become infected. If it arrived infected, it left the source infected.

I don't personally HAVE a trojan virus. We ran every scan and detection
there was capable and came up with a completely clean report tonight. I
only found spyware, and I deleted that. So I did NOT have a trojan
attached.

We have to take your word for that, however that you're clean tonight
doesn't mean you were clean when you sent the e-mail, or that the file you
sent out was clean.

It attached going thru the various servers and providers. (I sent the comic
to a few gardening friends).

Having said that, sweetie, I would never in any way send viruses. Not
after I accidentally sent one back in 1999.

I wouldn't question that you don't intend to send viruses. I would, however,
question your credentials to be able to categorically deny that you might
have. It's pretty obvious that you're not very technically competent.

If you've never noticed at the bottom of my e-mails there is a notice that
says something like this:

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.0/290 - Release Date: 3/23/2006

Which may appear on the mail you recieve, but would not appear on the mail
you send. Your anti-virus tool checks incoming mail. It doesn't check
outgoing mail.

Also, if your anti-virus software detected the virus, and cleaned it from
the mail, then yes, the copy you recieved would be clean because you cleaned
in when it came in. It still could have left infected.

I certainly don't think you intended to send a trojan. And since I didn't
receive it (and don't want to receive it), I don't know if it really did
arrive with a trojan attached. What I can say, however, is that your defense
is weak, at best, and that you really don't understand how these things
work.

--
Warren H.

==========
Disclaimer: My views reflect those of myself, and not my
employer, my friends, nor (as she often tells me) my wife.
Any resemblance to the views of anybody living or dead is
coincidental. No animals were hurt in the writing of this
response -- unless you count my dog who desperately wants
to go outside now.

Power Lawncare Tools for Spring Clean-up:
http://www.holzemville.com/mall/blackanddecker/

wow! that's cool.............and I love learning. there are only so many
things that Squire (husband) tells me and even HE doesn't have all the
answers.............the only problem is...............ALL the people I sent
the comics to (including Janet) I sent
BCC.....................................when I added myself and it came to
me, there were no others listed, of course g

"Jim Carlock" wrote in message
m...
"madgardener" wrote:
snipinformation denying viral attachements/snip

Hiya,

(1) Hard to tell what your name is from your signature. :-)
my name? I have always gone by madgardener, but despite that, my previous
e-mail address thru Bellsouth was , and then now with
VIC, my address is only I've never had an address that
allowed me to use my handle completely.......................
(2) Even the best virus scanners do not detect everything.
and I agree completely. I wasn't trying to say that I was totally innocent.
I was just trying to let her know that I had run all sorts of scanning
programs and as far as they were concerned, I was virus free. I was just
saying that the trojan could have been slipped in during
transient...........? that's what the technician (actually the man who runs
and owns VIC who has always been honest with me) told me.
(3) All of the virus scanners in the world cannot detect that you have
not installed ALL of the Microsoft updates.
as far as I know, I have all the Microsoft updates, but I could be and am
always wrong............and we all know that Microsoft has all kinds of
security capable breeches as it is. The only people who are rid of these
headaches are those who use MAC, or at least that's what they ALL smirk and
show off and say to me.......G I'm about ready to get one just to find
out for myself.....
(4) Microsoft builds software with open holes in it so even IF you
have no virus, all Microsoft operating systems are a viral, trojanus,
insecure systems themselves. shrug Take that as you like it, but it's
pretty much the truth.

absolutely agree. no arguement there.

For instance, IF you have NetBIOS running
as a network protocol on any network adapter, people can easily
get your password.

I have no password.................................never have. no reason to
have one.

Only one particular software that I know of
REQUIRED NetBEUI/NetBIOS (ACT, some kind of overpriced
contact management software, perhaps it requires it not any longer).

To madgardener, create your contact list as a group name and then
then BCC everyone in the list. That way when you mass email you
send it to the group name, the people receiving the email see it as
being sent to the group name and do not see the email addresses
that you mailed out to. This prevents others from mailing out to your
clients and it prevents others from claiming that YOU mailed trojan,
viral software to them.

ok, but still I have to tell you that when I mail things out in mass, I do
it BCC. and add myself. to make sure it sends. there were NO other
addresses to all the other people I sent the comics to listed in the
addresses bar. Only mine. And I kept getting my return receipts when
people read them.

If you need some help setting up the group name configured, post a
message back and I'll see what I can do to help out. I'm familiar with
how to do it via Outlook Express and I imagine it works in pretty
much the same way for other email clients, but it seems you use OE
as well, so I think we'll be right on target there.

Jim Carlock
Post replies to the group.


I do use Outlook Express as my e-mail. and tomorrow I'll check and see if
you've mailed me. my address is what it is. you can reach me there.
maddie (thanks for being considerate, I just hope Janet isn't mad at me, it
really might not be my fault.............) but anything is possible and I
won't rule it out.

"Warren" wrote in message
. ..

very wise words snipped(for those who hate it when people
just answer and not edit)

you're right, I am not technically strong. I haven't really learned very
much in the eight years I've been doing this and I'm not being sarcastic,
I'm being truthful! I am only repeating what was explained to me. so let
me rephrase that..........................

Janet, I'm sorry if there was a trojan virus attached to the comics I sent
you and about 15 other gardeners I really like. If your software caught it
and quaranteed it or got rid of it, I'm glad that it didn't mess up your
computer. I will NEVER send anything else to you again because I respect
your wishes and wouldn't want to accidentally send anything else that might
be worse. I'm not being overly sensitive, I'm just saying, that I respect
your wishes and won't send you anything. I don't understand you wanting me
to remove you from my mailing list, but someone will explain it to me, I'm
sure. a remark like that indicates to me that you're upset with me and want
to make sure I don't make the mistake twice.

if you're not upset with me, that's great too. but I still respect you
enough to not e-mail you anything else personally like jpgs and comics. not
even text messages. I can live with communicating thru the garden
newsgroup. I just enjoy the personal communications and enjoyed sharing a
smile or a flower.........but then, that's what
alt.binaries.pictures.gardens is for too......like Travis would remind me
gbseg

with that, I'm off to bed. there might be a silly ramble coming up I don't
know. at least the newsgroups are safe from me and trojans that have sneaked
into my computer. or should I consider that I am now a leper and should
lurk and hold my posts? I don't know now............
maddie

"Warren" wrote in message

madgardener wrote:
Janet, I have run the absolute best virus and trojan detector
that there is.
If you've never noticed at the bottom of my e-mails there is
a
notice that says something like this:

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.0/290 - Release
Date:
3/23/2006

Which may appear on the mail you recieve, but would not appear
on
the mail you send. Your anti-virus tool checks incoming mail.
It
doesn't check outgoing mail.

AVG does append that no virus notice on all outgoing mail unless
you tell it not to.

--

Travis in Shoreline (just North of Seattle) Washington
USDA Zone 8
Sunset Zone 5

"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
...
Calm down woman :-)
I'm calm, I've had a bad night..................

My security system detected the virus and identified your email as
the source.
holy shit.....well, again, I apologize. and honestly, it's going to be a
few days before I can bring myself to even post what I sat up and wrote the
other night. I know it's not my fault, but I am a pitiful apologetic person
at times. you should know if you've read me for a few years.................


From that, I guessed that your computer was infected and you didn't
know it, and also, that you had probably sent the same post containing
a virus to multiple recipients.
oh yes, I did, and I'm sure I'll catch hell from someone
As a friend I felt obliged to warn you (because otherwise, it's going
to happen again) and also warn your other recipients who might be
readers here.
well problem with a couple of the recipients, is they can't get to the
newsgroup, and their only warning would be thru me (

If you were local to me, I would have telephoned you to
say so, but I still would not have sent a new message from my address to
your computer, where that trojan is no doubt busilly harvesting incoming
addresses.

sigh.............................................. .....worse and worse, my
friend, worse and worse.............

Okay? I'm not attacking you, blaming you, or trying to shame you.
I'm just trying to help you out and look after everyone's best interest.

and you did a fine job. don't think I'm not appreciative. and you WEREN'T
blaming me. I took it as a friend. honest. and it's hard to shame
me.........I've fuggerooed a few things in my history of newsgroup here at
wreck.gardens..................just ask around.............................

I asked to be taken off your mailing list/out of your addressbook
(and for you NOT to email me saying something like "sorry for the virus"
, because I've had the proof your computer is insecure and as the posts
here show you don't really understand the problem.

yep, but I WILL find the proper program and clean this machine.

Tomorrow it might be
infected with something else, worse, and I don't want to be on the
receiving end.

Janet

Janet


Janet



and I'd just die if that were to happen. I did it to Zhanataya's computer
once.................................(ducking as Zhan lets fly a shoe in my
general direction from behind the shrub)

"madgardener" wrote in message
...

yep, but I WILL find the proper program and clean this machine.

Good idea. In terms of program which use the smallest amount of resources
all day long, your best bet is just a plain vanilla anti-virus product, not
one of the all-in-one security suites. I use Norton Anti-Virus because my
company wants me to. But, lots of people are happy with a free program
called AVG - search for it. Get it. Read the instructions for anything you
don't understand and make sure it's working.

For spyware, you should be using two programs which only run when you tell
them to: Spybot and Adaware. They're both free. Sometimes one catches a
nasty that the other one missed, hence the reason for both. After they do
their job, you shut them off like any other software.

Also, to for some fantastic help with cleaning up your current problems, go
to www.securitytango.com. Written by a couple of administrators from the
Univeristy of Rochester IT department, it's helped hundreds of people. It's
quite involved, but when you're done, you'll have a clean machine.

Finally, do the following with one of the setting in Outlook Express: Click
Tools, Options, Send. In the middle is the sentence "Automatically put
people I reply to in my address book". Turn that option OFF, and don't ever
turn it on. Leaving it turned on means that even when you reply to people
you might never correspond with again, they are added to your address book.
Then, when your computer gets infected with something that replicates itself
to everyone in your address book, it spreads to people who have no idea who
you are. If you want people in your address book, add them manually, with
intent, when you're sure they're people who really need to be there.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"madgardener" wrote in message
...

yep, but I WILL find the proper program and clean this machine.

Good idea. In terms of program which use the smallest amount of resources
all day long, your best bet is just a plain vanilla anti-virus product,
not one of the all-in-one security suites. I use Norton Anti-Virus because
my company wants me to. But, lots of people are happy with a free program
called AVG - search for it. Get it. Read the instructions for anything you
don't understand and make sure it's working.
I HAVE AVG, it runs automatically, updates all the time and is the reason my
e-mails take so long to come in and go out because it's searching for
viruses. I've had AVG now for almost 3 years...............

For spyware, you should be using two programs which only run when you tell
them to: Spybot and Adaware. They're both free. Sometimes one catches a
nasty that the other one missed, hence the reason for both. After they do
their job, you shut them off like any other software.

I have both of those and ran them last night and caught spyware but no
viruses. I've had those programs for over 4 years............upgrade them
all the time and run it constantly.

Also, to for some fantastic help with cleaning up your current problems,
go to www.securitytango.com. Written by a couple of administrators from
the Univeristy of Rochester IT department, it's helped hundreds of people.
It's quite involved, but when you're done, you'll have a clean machine.

going there now. thanks Doug.

Finally, do the following with one of the setting in Outlook Express:
Click Tools, Options, Send. In the middle is the sentence "Automatically
put people I reply to in my address book". Turn that option OFF, and don't
ever turn it on. Leaving it turned on means that even when you reply to
people you might never correspond with again, they are added to your
address book. Then, when your computer gets infected with something that
replicates itself to everyone in your address book, it spreads to people
who have no idea who you are. If you want people in your address book, add
them manually, with intent, when you're sure they're people who really
need to be there.

never been on. I manually add addresses now since coming to the newsgroup
over 8 years ago.
maddie

"madgardener" wrote in message
...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"madgardener" wrote in message
...

yep, but I WILL find the proper program and clean this machine.

Good idea. In terms of program which use the smallest amount of resources
all day long, your best bet is just a plain vanilla anti-virus product,
not one of the all-in-one security suites. I use Norton Anti-Virus
because my company wants me to. But, lots of people are happy with a free
program called AVG - search for it. Get it. Read the instructions for
anything you don't understand and make sure it's working.
I HAVE AVG, it runs automatically, updates all the time and is the reason
my e-mails take so long to come in and go out because it's searching for
viruses. I've had AVG now for almost 3 years...............

For spyware, you should be using two programs which only run when you
tell them to: Spybot and Adaware. They're both free. Sometimes one
catches a nasty that the other one missed, hence the reason for both.
After they do their job, you shut them off like any other software.

I have both of those and ran them last night and caught spyware but no
viruses. I've had those programs for over 4 years............upgrade them
all the time and run it constantly.

Those two programs are not designed to catch viruses. That's why you need
something like AVG, which runs all the time in the background. After you
install it, be sure to shut OFF the email scanning. Two reasons: First, it
can cause some serious problems with Outlook Express. Second, it's
redundant. All files are scanned when they are saved to the hard disk, the
AVG would still spot trouble at that point and stop it.

"Janet Baraclough" wrote:
I'm wondering if you could have mistaken how it works and
updates? Because if it was working as you say, it should have
told you about the virus in your system before mine told me.

Are you sure you have actually downloaded all the updates,
and does your AV scan all systems (not, just your email)?

Is it possible that the email didn't come from Maddy's system?

You still have a copy of the email ?

Jim Carlock
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"madgardener" wrote in message
...
Janet, I have run the absolute best virus and trojan detector that there
is. SNIP
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.0/290 - Release Date: 3/23/2006

Now to further convince you.......the above message was at the bottom of
the gardening comics e-mail I sent you, because EVERYTHING I send to
EVERYONE I send to MYSELF. Insuring that it's virus free.
SNIP

Madgardener,
In my humble opinion, and that of computer magazines, AVG is not the best
free antivirus available.
In a test of about 50 anti-virus programmes, Antivir came came top of the
free versions scoring 80% whilst AVG scored about 68%
the link to antivir is as follows
http://free-av.com/

However as new viruses/ viri are being written almost weekly, antivirus
software is always behind, until a virus is known about tracing software or
"definitions cannot be written to check for it.
there are a number of free online scans including at www.symantec.com
Hope this helps,
Other free software is available at www.majorgeeks.com look about half way
down page for top ten downloads)
including spybot search and destroy
adaware se personal edition ( not to be confused with adware)
regards
Cineman

"cineman" wrote in message
o.uk...

"madgardener" wrote in message
...
Janet, I have run the absolute best virus and trojan detector that there
is. SNIP
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.0/290 - Release Date: 3/23/2006

Now to further convince you.......the above message was at the bottom of
the gardening comics e-mail I sent you, because EVERYTHING I send to
EVERYONE I send to MYSELF. Insuring that it's virus free.
SNIP

Madgardener,
In my humble opinion, and that of computer magazines, AVG is not the best
free antivirus available.
In a test of about 50 anti-virus programmes, Antivir came came top of the
free versions scoring 80% whilst AVG scored about 68%
the link to antivir is as follows
http://free-av.com/

However as new viruses/ viri are being written almost weekly, antivirus
software is always behind, until a virus is known about tracing software
or
"definitions cannot be written to check for it.
there are a number of free online scans including at www.symantec.com
Hope this helps,
Other free software is available at www.majorgeeks.com look about half way
down page for top ten downloads)
including spybot search and destroy
adaware se personal edition ( not to be confused with adware)
regards
Cineman

Or buy a copy of Ghost and image a clean install of OS and Apps
onto another partition or disc.

Then reinstall the image onto C: every week or as necessary.
manually copying favourites Newsgroup files and documents.

Around £20


michael adams

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